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because its bad for our neshamos. dont want people to go otd get bad ideas from goyim.
You said that. You didn’t say why you believe NJ music gives bad ideas.
MsPrincess – I’ll take bait.
Why is Antonio Vivaldi worse for one’s Neshama than MBD singing “Yidden”, AKA “Goyim”, AKA Genghis Khan? Or even something more neutral, like “Am Echad” by Goldwag?
gavra at work and reb yid- why do you think its okay to listen to not jewish music?
MsPrincess: You made the statement, the burden of proof is on you…
why do you think its okay to listen to not jewish music?
Also, please define “Jewish music.”
The Wolf
Jewish music is music with a Jewish mother.
Read the sefer about all the different kinds of music and what the effects of each kind are to you and your neshama.
Too bad the work he’s talking about isn’t actually about that.
WolfishMusings – In this context, people usually mean
“music created by and for Orthodox Jews.”
Is it the tune itself that contains the “Tumah”, or is it the singer? Music is the language of the soul right? So Ive heard it said that when a person composes/sings a song then It is as if he is imparting a peice of himself into his music. When u listen, you are absorbing the essence of his neshama into urs. I have looked, but I have not actually seen a mekor for this…
Even if you say this is true…there should be no problem with a jewish person singing a non jewish song since it is not the song itself that is the issue (obviosly assuming the lyrics arent an issue) but rather the singer himself. It makes no diff where MBD got his song from. He is the one singing it, not genghis khan.
Anyone ever heard of such an idea?
Is it the tune itself that contains the “Tumah”, or is it the singer?
It could be either, both, or perhaps neither.
How could a tune alone contain Tumah?
If it brings one to an improper frame of mind.
Perhaps also on a supernatural level. Rav Moshe says about a tune which was originally used for avodah zarah that although not technically assur to listen to (with no words, in a secular context), it is nevertheless “m’chuar” – disgusting. That might also be true for music originally set to inappropriate lyrics.
If it brings one to an improper frame of mind.
Perhaps also on a supernatural level. Rav Moshe says about a tune which was originally used for avodah zarah that although not technically assur to listen to (with no words, in a secular context), it is nevertheless “m’chuar” – disgusting. That might also be true for music originally set to inappropriate lyrics.
True for both non-Jewish and Jewish (such as the now infamous “Zochreini Na”, or “Yidden”, and others) music. What you claim is that an attempt to remove Pritzus (which is a good thing) has extended to include everything under the sun, including the ridiculous (such as Vivaldi). Possibly good for the Hamon Am who doesn’t know better and will listen to dictates from above, but not foe a thinking Yeraim Jew.
I thought Zochreini Na was from Dov Shurin.
Was the second half of your post directed at me? I don’t think I’ve ever made the case that a tune is tamei based purely on who composed it.
Was the second half of your post directed at me? I don’t think I’ve ever made the case that a tune is tamei based purely on who composed it
I thought you were explaining why non-Jewish (whatever that means) music is Assur. If you are simply saying that certain types of music (“Jewish” or “non-Jewish”) can bring someone to the wrong frame of mind, then we agree.
I think we agree.
AFAIK, the only music which is actually assur (aside from inappropriate lyrics) is avodah zarah music.
Does being born Jewish give a person special musical abilities?
What does “avoda zara music” mean to me in a practical sense nowadays?
Very little, unless you like to pass by churches and listen in.
Very little, unless you like to pass by churches and listen in.
Kyrie (in it’s many forms, including Gregorian chant and US pop) and Bach’s “Ein Feste Burg ist Unser Gott”.
(“Ein Feste Burg ist Unser Gott” is a Lutheran hymn, not actual Avoda Zara service, so it may not be included. Any insight would be appreciated).
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