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It amazes me how some people(liberals) are comparing Trump to Hitler and how he’ll be horrible for the Jews. Do they not realize that not only are his daughter and grandkids Jewish, but Jarred Kushner and David Freedman just to name a couple, will most probably be in his administration.
Jason Greenblatt from Teaneck is Trump’s lawyer and Israel advisor.
There were Jews who worked with the Nazis.
l’mhavdil
Dr. Rich Roberts from Lakewood is supposed to become his Advisor to Israel
To the mods: I made a great joke about the ambiguous phrasing of the opening poster’s comment, and you declined to print it.
And yet, I saw shocking comments about the Skver rebbe’s decision to endorse the Hillary candidacy (in the News section, about a week ago). Please, improve your sense of humor, and don’t be so squeamish about toeva couples who are not toeva.
My sense of humor and appropriateness of humor are separate issues. Also, we don’t work the news section.
Apparently Jared Kushner is very influential with Trump. I’ve said I think having a Jewish president would be bad for the Jews because it could exacerbate anti-semitism. For the same reason, I think having a Jew who could be seen as pulling the president’s strings is bad for the Jews.
Kushner was in the White House when Trump met Obama a few days ago. Trump appointed him to his transition team on Friday.
I second the motion of keeping the Kushners out out of the new administration. I’ll give them a pass for the transition team, not that anyone is asking me…
Mammele, why do you oppose Kushner having a White House appointment? Religious Jews have served in high positions for rulers throughout golus (Abarbanel, etc.)
Kushner’s been one of Trump’s closest advisors since Trump ran in the primary.
At this point, it is probably best to ignore the Democrats “Big Lie” technique (if you something loud enough and long enough, it will come to be believed even if totally false) in accusing Trump of anti-Semitism. The American people saw through the Democrat’s “Big lie” program and the Democrat’s “demonization”, and answered it very forcefully, they elected Trump, gave the Republicans control of the Congress, and gave the incoming administration a mandate for radical change.
Akuperma, when I raised the issue of antisemitism, I wasn’t referring to Trump or even his inner circle (though Bannon makes me nervous). I was referring to his supporters, some of whom are open antisemites (e.g. David Duke, the NC KKK). When, as seems likely, Trump moderates his positions, the Jews will be to blame. When bad things happen, the Jews will be to blame.
Joseph, it’s ironic that you mention Abarbanel, since despite his influence, he was unable to prevent the expulsion of the Spanish Jews.
Obama has much worse supporters than Trump ever had. Jeremy Wright, Louis Farrakhan, the black panthers and other violent anti-Semitic, anti-white thugs.
Abarbanel didn’t prevent the expulsion but he helped the Jews previously in many other ways as a result of his position. And his position in no way caused the expulsion. Rambam also served the ruler.
Tomorrow’s NYTimes states that Kushner has had the final word with Trump amongst his various advisors, as he’s his most trusted, throughout the campaign. It says Kushner will remain the President-elect’s senior advisor during his presidency whether or not he’s given a formal title/position.
Joseph, you read the NY Times?!
Another example of a Jew who served in a government position is Rabbi Meir Shapiro who was a member of the Polish parliament. Needless to say, Polish Jewry didn’t fare too well in the years after his untimely death in 1933.
“It amazes me how some people(liberals) are comparing Trump to [H]” (kfb)
kfb: I don’t have an opinion about the latter, and how Trump will be with Jews.
That said, based on my research and educational background, I have intentionally compared T to H. Mind you, I lack a PhD in Hitler and Nazi Germany. Meanwhile I did study advanced Hitler and Nazi Germany for my bachelor’s degree. However, I am not going to woo anyone with my credentials.
Here is the deal:
Hitler rose to power with a simple strategy. He insisted on reviving German culture. Even when Germany was not a country, the German people, with their German language had strong ties to their identity. WWI was a war of attrition. To say the least, Germany was disheartened. The German people were all too happy for a scapegoat. Mind you, antisemitism (read Anti-Judaism) was rampant already, especially in Vienna.
There were two options for the German people. Socialism or Hitler. Which was the lesser of the two evils?
Hitler brought in television ads highlighting his arrival on a plane into a land where boys worked in the fields, becoming men. Testosterone filled the air. The broken men of WWI, the broken people, suddenly had hope to become a strong nation once again.
Jews became the enemy. Initially Hitler wanted to just get rid of them, by any means. Madagascar didn’t work out. Other European countries weren’t helping. Finally Hitler took note of Russia’s labor camps and decided to follow suit. Eventually Hitler figured that the best means to make these Jews go away is to destroy them.
No one stopped Hitler. No objections to end his violence. Jews were the evil and Hitler was making Germany pure again.
Who is stopping Trump? He gets away with his rants. His supporters are sporting fists and guns and gaining confidence that they are in the right.
I do not believe that Trump is like Hitler because he is a threat to Jewish lives. He is a threat to all lives. Yet of course, he has made the people of Mexico, undocumented residents, the enemy here. He wants to build a wall. Madagascar? Yet how economically possible will that be?
He does not need to gas these individuals to destroy their lives. Rounding up people living here without federal permission and tossing their children, or parents back to another country will destroy families, lives, communities, and so forth.
Trump speaks of taking a handful of inappropriate-language referring to women, without acknowledging that he is talking about a human. He dehumanizes. He scapegoats. Anything was Hillary’s fault.
And are you not influenced? Talking about “liberals”? Were you original in that observation? Or did it come from media? From Trump? From the propaganda?
There are a billion connections here that I have failed to mention in this essay. Nevertheless, hopefully this provides some insight.
For me, Trump’s ascent alone is an echo of something that Jews of all people have the experience and history to prevent. Never again, we say. That was my pledge to my Holocaust professor. Am Yisroel Yizchor. So when I voted, I knew that as far and advanced as we have come, or believe we have come, it only takes one person to ignite a message of fire.
Also… You know that Trump used to keep Hitler’s speeches by his bedside, right? He studied Hitler. His father was involved in the KKK. These are not conspiracies. This is fact. He took note and has performed well.
Now he wants his advisors to continue his speaking engagements. Hitler to a T.
Joseph: Kushner is identified very publicly by his observant Jewishness, because Ivanka converted due to him (or more precisely, his mother). Which means he’ll be under a very strong microscope.
And “mit mishpacha esst men kugel” is not a Yiddish slogan for naught. Especially because of her conversion, things that can go wrong between Mr. Trump and Jared can have a snowballing effect on his family and their observance.
Additionally, nepotism may be illegal for the President, and won’t be looked favorably upon by the masses. And because he’s family, his influence will more likely be exaggerated.
lightbrite, Hitler brought in television ads? Television hadn’t been invented yet.
Mammele, Robert Kennedy was Attorney General in his brother’s administration. It’s certainly legal, but it may not be wise.
YY: these laws were enacted after JFKs presidency, most likely because JFK appointed RFK for Attorney General. However, its constitutionality as it applies to the presidency is questionable, which is why I wrote “may be illegal” and not “is illegal”.
Yehudayona, if Jews will not be in his administration anti-Semites will say that Jews don’t want to be part of the country. We have to stop worrying about what anti-Semites will say and do what Hashem wants us to do – be a light unto the nations.
Lightbrite, FYI. the Germans first identified as Saxons, Bavarians,etc. Even now Germany is a federal country like the US. The rest of your rant is sheer hysteria. Trump said what he wants to do? So does every other politician. Whom does he want to kill? No one. Meanwhile, the Democrats have been more or less taken over by the BDS and Black Lives mMatter anti-Semites.
yehudoyna
the law was written after Kennedy (Possibly becasue of, though that was denied at the time)
see
” b) A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official. …”
The question of the above law’s constitutionality comes into play since the senate has to approve the President’s cabinet nominations to ensure checks and balances. Additional stipulations perhaps impinge on that process.
Avi K -“The rest of your rant is sheer hysteria. Trump said what he wants to do?”
You’re right on the mark!
I don’t agree with you generally about Israel, but the notion that Trump is Hitler is ludicrous!
These libs will do & say anything to push their way!
“Hitler brought in television ads? Television hadn’t been invented yet.”
yehudayona: You can watch them on Youtube. There is a great one where Hitler flies in on a plane to a crowd of awed Germans.
IMHO, he had a talented entourage working on his image on all fronts, from television to orations and print.
I forgot to mention that Trump also spoke with strong bias against people that are Muslim, in general.
That said… He is our president now. He is still a pawn in Hashem’s plan. May he bring light, goodness, healing, and inclusion to our world, beyond all our expectations and hopes.
Trump asked Kushner to serve in his administration. They’re exploring the legalities of him accepting a position without compensation and placing Kushner’s business assets in a blind trust.
lightbrite, there was no television when Hitler was alive. There were newsreels, which were movies with current events. They were shown in movie theaters. Presumably that’s what’s on youtube.
I am not worried about Trump and I am Liberal. Most Liberals I know do not think the problem is Trump….it is his vast anti-semitic Alt Right supporters like Steve Bannon and the Breitbart followers that worry me. I am not sure how you can deny that? You do so at your own peril. Does it not worry you that a good portion, perhaps even a majority of the fervent Trump supporters are anti-Jew? And as far as the Evangelicals go, they are no friends of Jews, they just care about their “Holy Land” and believe in their fairy tale “Rapture” where they inherit the land of Israel from the Jews. I do not think Trump really cares one way or the other about the Jews or Israel.
Trump, and his father Fred, have a long-time reputation through many decades as being ohev yisroel.
Any different than Axelrod and Emanuel in this last Administration?
Flyintheointment -“it is his vast anti-semitic Alt Right supporters like Steve Bannon and the Breitbart followers that worry me. I am not sure how you can deny that? You do so at your own peril”
You liberals never stop!
Keep on dreaming how the DemonCrats are good for Frum Jews.
Btw, they had a Fox show where they put on the editor of Breitbart news.
They were discussing this topic.
He’s a Frum Jew and a lot of Frum Jews work there.
Keep posting the liberal lies, but most of the country saw through them!
On a different note, am I the only one here saddened (if true) by the supposed heter for the Kushners to be driven home Friday night after the inauguration ball because walking home would be unsafe? The reports stem from a Kol Barama radio interview with Mark Zell, the chair of the Republican party in Israel.
However, according to the latest article in the Times of Israel, when Mark Zell was questioned about it he said he was basing it off “a family member”, and couldn’t confirm it or name the Rabbi involved in the heter. I really hope it’s not true, time will tell.
Health, most of the country voted for Hillary.
Mammele, while he identifies as Orthodox, he’s never been frum. His eating out on his birthday and other times at non-kosher restaurants with his wife and father-in-law, as well as numerous other public violations of Jewish law (including her mode of dress), have been well reported over the years.
YY: Most of the country voted against Hillary.
YY -“Health, most of the country voted for Hillary.”
Most of the legal citizens did not vote or register!
Joseph, Cllnton received 3 million more votes
LC: That doesn’t contradict what I said. Most American voters voted against Clinton.
It amazes me how one person (President Trump) compares the US intelligence services to Nazis.
Joseph, most American voters likewise voted against Trump, and today most Americans seem to have an unfavorable opinion of him. If you believe the latest Fox News poll, Hillary and Trump are equally disapproved of. They each have 55% unfavorable, of which 44% are strongly unfavorable.
The fact that Trump has many influential Jews in his administration does not prove that he’s not an anti-Semite.
However, the fact that he’s not an anti-Semite does prove that he’s not an anti-Semite. (Has anybody caught him saying anything anti-Semitic?)
That being said:
Trump is clearly not an anti-Semite. Not only that, but he has clearly denounced all of the various anti-Semites that (quite enthusiastically) support him.
However, the launching of Trump’s Nationalist-Populist movement has both energized and popularized the “White Nationalism” movement of the “Alt-Right”, which is essentially just a repackaging of the ideology of the KKK and the Nazis. This “White Nationalism” has gone from being a fringe, marginalized movement to being a visible force with an increasing amount of adherents and influence. This is, to put it mildly, not something that we should be excited about…
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/chief-anti-semite-of-the-us#post-634866
And most American voters voted against Bill Clinton both times he won. OTOH, George W. Bush won a majority of the vote during his reelection.
Uh, waitaminute litebrite, you said “Also… You know that Trump used to keep Hitler’s speeches by his bedside, right? He studied Hitler. His father was involved in the KKK. These are not conspiracies. This is fact.” I never heard anything like that anyplace before. Where’d you get that?
Fred Trump, Donald’s father, was an ohev yisroel who donated money to shuls and other Jewish causes. As an aside, a large portion of his properties he built in Brooklyn and Queens, he sold to Jewish homeowners.
Melania wore Ralph Lauren at the inauguration and election night. Ralph Lauren is Jewish!
Joseph………..
a true Capitalist is in business to make profit. One sells product to people willing to purchase, one doesn’t have to like them, just take their money. Fred Trump was not going to live among the purchasers fo the properties in Brooklyn and Queens and if selling to Jews didn’t harm total sales, so be it. If at that time selling to Negroes (deliberately using the accepted term of the era) would have caused whites to shy away, he would not have sold.
I inherited a bungalow in the Catskills that was built in 1946 and marketed to returning US servicemen after WWII. The deed had a restriction that no person of color could could buy, occupy the cottage, or use any common facility (lake, ball fields, casino, etc.) nor be on the premises for more than 4 hours per week to clean or cook. Do I think it represensible? Yes…but the law of NY and the USA permitted these restrictions until 1964 when the Civil Rights Act was signed by LBJ.
Lightbrite……
to be honest…who cares what designer created the clothing the 3rd Mrs. Trump wore on January 20th. Putting a pig in a gown doesn’t make her less a pig. She has a history of posing in inappropriate pictures and carried on an affair with Trump while he was married to #2.
I shall respect President Trump because he has been sworn into an official government position. I have and will give no respect for his 3rd wife. She occupies no official government position.
I’ve seen photographs of Fred being honored at shul ceremonies, having donated the land and money to build the shul.
CT Lawyer: “I shall respect President Trump because he has been sworn into an official government position. I have and will give no respect for his 3rd wife. She occupies no official government position.”
You have a right to choose whom you respect or not, but I’m just curious: Why should the respect you have for someone depend on his government position? Shouldn’t it have to do with whether or not the person deserves respect? And based on your above reasoning, Trump is no more deserving of respect than his wife.
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