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  • #1922792
    Theprophet
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    Jews in America need to wake up !

    #1922812
    ujm
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    Very true. The same applies to most Jews in Israel. We need to remember we are in golus everywhere.

    The places where the most and best Torah emanated was from Jewish communities in financially poor regions.

    #1922820
    akuperma
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    It is easy to be comfortable in a place where most anti-semitism comes from a political organization dominated by frei Jews, who themselves are very marginalized in the overall political system (e.g. Chuck Schumer and his party are only big in a few regions, but someone like him will never be have any real power).

    It is easy to be comfortable in a country where religious toleration is deeply ingrained in the national psyche.

    Should I mention that three groups have tried to destroy us in the last century (the Nazis, the Communists, and the radical Islamic movement), and it was the Americans, who themselves weren’t really threatened, and went out and defeated our enemies. When we see the history of America, we say proof of Ha-Shem manipulating history to save us.

    #1922828
    Reb Eliezer
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    In order Meshiach should come, we must miss his coming and realize that we are strangers in strange land otherwise we are kept in galus until we arrive to this recognition.

    #1922827
    Theprophet
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    Akuperma
    Well we’re in America for Quite some time already somethings bound to happen sooner or later !

    #1922864
    rational
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    It’s odd to write that one is to comfortable in a land where one is unfamiliar with the national language.

    #1922889
    Sam Klein
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    How can we expect Mashiach to come when we are so comfortable and happy with the way of our lives that we are not properly mourning for the churban habayis which begs for the coming of Mashiach. In order for a person to receive ANYTHING from Hashem he needs to do more than just daven and say Tehillim with asking Hashem for help, HE NEEDS TO YEARN FOR IT AND DESIRE IT but let’s all face the truth were not yearning for the coming of Mashiach like the way we should be. Were so happy with our lives in Golus R”L we have everything we need from planes to cars and computers and smartphones etc…. The minute klal yisroel starts to YEARN for Mashiach like a child begging his parent for something he desires wholeheartedly then Mashiach will come

    May it come to happen very soon with serious teshuva and achdus ASAP together with realizing what we are missing out as we all remain in Golus R”L

    #1922955
    rational
    Participant

    Or, maybe the Moshiach is waiting for us to actually do something instead of simply yearning like a child for candy. Maybe something like living in Eretz Yisrael and contributing to society while living there.

    #1922961
    flowers
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    Sam Klein:
    You stated:
    “In order for a person to receive ANYTHING from Hashem he needs to do more than just daven and say Tehillim with asking Hashem for help, HE NEEDS TO YEARN FOR IT AND DESIRE IT”

    Most of what a person receives from Hashem is matnas chinam, simply a gift that we don’t necessarily deserve. Davening and/or saying tehillim is not a “just”. It is EVERYTHING. Yes, there are other things a person can do, but davening and saying tehillim for what we want or need is extremely powerful and will always always help (even if we don’t always see it).

    If you were only talking about yearning for moshiach and not other things (though you used the word ANYTHING, so it doesn’t seem so), tefillah is called avodah she’b’lev and that means desiring it. As for being too comfortable to really yearn for moshiach, that I agree with you, even though I think that most people’s lives are not perfect and everyone needs a yeshua for something, so I am certain that everyone yearns for the coming of Moshiach at least sometimes.

    #1922962
    Reb Eliezer
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    rational, see the Aim Habonim Samecha Shaar 3 from tbe Yerushalmi and Tosfas Yom Tov on the Mishna Maaser Sheni (5,2) to build the Beis Hamikdash before the coming of Meshiach. The Satmar Rav ztz’l says that Eliyah Hanovi must come and tell us first how to build it as Melachim contradicts Yechezkal.

    #1922963
    Slimshim1
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    I absolutely agree with you prophet. We are way too comfortable. We can definitely be turned on. It has started already with the rise of white supremacy. They are the number 1 cause of terrorism in the country right now.

    #1922967
    ujm
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    rational: Nothing will make Moshiach come faster than increasing the amount of time we spend learning Torah.

    #1922975
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    I strongly disagree. Nothing has caused more destruction than frum jews getting sucked in to american culture de jour and forfeiting the yiddeshkeir of their future generations. We are eating ourselves up from within.

    #1922968
    huju
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    Yeah, Jews should not be comfortable in America. We should go some place safe, like Germany, or anywhere else in Europe, Africa, or Asia. Have there been any anti-Semitic incidents in Antarctica? Just bring that heavy wool talis.

    #1922969
    BaltimoreMaven
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    No need to speculate. The gemors discusses the delay in Moshiach etc. See for example Sanhedrin 97b

    #1923017
    meir G
    Participant

    i am missing something? i read all 15 posts and cant figure out what the author wants ? what is he referring to , what does he mean by comfortable? what would you like me to do differently on a practical level?

    #1923049
    Slimshim1
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    ujm – and working on our midos and doing small acts of kindness to others. Being the best parent, sibling, spouse and child. Being honest. Focus on unity and not division etc… Love our neighbors.
    It’s not just learning Torah.

    #1923061
    Avram in MD
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    huju,

    The OP didn’t say anything about leaving the U.S. Is your position that Jews should feel comfortable in America? If so, can you elaborate?

    #1923066
    Avram in MD
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    Slimshim1,

    “It’s not just learning Torah.”

    False dilemma – ujm didn’t say anything about favoring Torah over chessed, good middos, etc. That said, our Torah and our faith in Hashem is our lifeblood. It is what has kept us alive as a united nation full of chessed and good middos despite thousands of years of people trying to destroy us body and soul.

    #1923092
    akuperma
    Participant

    TheProphet: Our principle enemies in America are the secular Jews, and they are dying out. The have proven unable to reproduce, and are rapidly again out of existence (which may explain their concern with Covid19, a disease the generally kills old people). With them out of the picture, while overall anti-religious feelings might affect us, it won’t be directed against us and will not be a serious problem.

    #1923211
    Sam Klein
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    Meir G.

    On a practical level how about for a few examples.

    at least at the times when we are in the midst of ruchnius like davening and learning Torah etc…. Leave your cell phone in a locker outside the Bais medrash and give the shul and Hashem the proper kavod it deserves without any disturbance in middle of talking to Hashem the king of kings ruler of the world.

    At least when it is the proper time of mourning for the churban habayis which is on Tisha Bav (or focusing on teshuva on Yom Kippur which is a special day set aside to just focus on repentance) let’s not be looking at our clocks how much longer until we can get up from the floor and go back to sitting on a couch? (Or on yom kippur the holiest day of the year how much longer until that short break between mussaf and Mincha) the point is that today on Tisha Bav as I sit on the floor mourning over the churban habayis I beg Hashem to just forgive klal yisroel and bring the Mashiach I’ll even fast a full extra day and this is my focus right now as I mourn for the churban habayis. (On yom kippur I just beg Hashem to please forgive me for my sins of this past year-everyone sins and no one is perfect-and if I have a break before mincha grab the opportunity and say some extra Tehillim to beg Hashem for a complete forgiveness from this past year)

    May we all do serious teshuva and achdus ASAP together as a nation so Mashiach can come already

    #1923235
    Avi K
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    The Meshech Chochma (Vayikra 26:44) says:

    “If the Jew thinks that Berlin is Jerusalem … then a raging storm wind will uproot him by his trunk and subject him before a faraway gentile nation… a tempest will arise and spread its roaring waves, and swallow, and destroy, and flood forth without pity. Therefore, you will not be calm, nor shall there be a resting place for the sole of your foot is a blessing, for as long as the Jewish People are uncomfortable in exile, they will yearn to return to their homeland.”

    The same goes for Brooklyn, Monsey and Lakewood. Galut and geula are not black and white. The geula comes slowly in stages (Yerushalmi, Berachot 1:1). The Zohar says that each 1,000 years of Creation are parallel to one day of the week. That means that we are now in Mincha Gedola of erev Shabbat.

    #1923291
    ujm
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    The Meshech Chichma lived his entire life in Lithuania. His reference to Berlin was regarding the Reform throwing out waiting for Moshiach and deciding they’ll never be a Geula and thus becoming more German than the Germans.

    #1923317
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Look at the Klei Yokor in Devorim on Penu lochem tzafana, being hidden in galus and not to show of infront of the goyim with fancy houses causing jealousy. This was also the reason that the time of the redemption was withheld from Yaakov Avinu. When they know it will not happen in their time, the coming of Meshiach will be forgotten (Klei Yokor in the beginning of Vaychi). Shibud mitzraim came about for this very reason (Klei Yokor at the end of Vaygash). Some say the holocaust happened also for this reason. The germans became jealous of the jewish extravagant living, put them to work to weaken them, if able to, otherwise annihilated them.

    #1923450
    Theprophet
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    Meir G
    There are lots of Jews that think that nothing can happen to us in the US cause we have constitutional rights , Jewish politicians , big Jewish organizations, and we’re pretty powerful in our established community’s . All I’m trying to say is all these things mean nothing and when we get to comfortable is usually when Hashem sends something to wake us up and remind us we’re in גלות .

    #1923453
    Theprophet
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    Akuperma
    Firstly let’s not call them our enemy !
    Secondly your practically right if all the secular Jews were to stop bothering us or bothering others which leads to hating them plus us frum jews we would indeed be left alone , but that’s very unlikely to happen , regardless there still the ‏ ‏עישב שונא ליעקבthing .

    #1923583
    charliehall
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    “we’re in America for Quite some time”

    346 years and counting.

    #1923584
    charliehall
    Participant

    “unfamiliar with the national language.”

    The United States does not have and has never had an official national language. The US has the largest English speaking population in the world but it also has the second largest Spanish speaking poulation in the world. (Mexico is #1.)

    #1924080
    huju
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    To charlieha the second: I think India has a bigger population of English speakers than the US, but I am not sure.

    #1924246
    huju
    Participant

    Re huju’s estimate of English speakers in India: I checked, and he is wrong. India has about 125 million English speakers, out of a population of about of more than a billion people.

    #1924253
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    ??
    Did you mean to post that from a different account?

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