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May 12, 2014 3:05 am at 3:05 am #612755Yashi and PemberMember
That’s it…just “Jews are crazy.”
May 12, 2014 3:23 am at 3:23 am #1015761the plumberMemberWe’re gonna hav to get you named from the nba
May 12, 2014 5:48 am at 5:48 am #1015762Little FroggieMemberNot sure how you’re going to go about your mission asking every Jews mechilla. Of HaShem too.
No, this is not something one says about any group of Yidden, certainly not of the entire nation. Obviously HaShem thinks differently. He choose us. Specifically. We’re an ?? ???? ????.
No, one mustn’t make such jokes. It’s offensive to any member of the Jewish faith.
May 13, 2014 4:44 am at 4:44 am #1015764Yashi and PemberMemberI wasn’t joking and I’m not apologizing and your reaction is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Thank you.
May 13, 2014 10:18 am at 10:18 am #10157652qwertyParticipantThere is even an app called Crazy Jew.
May 13, 2014 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #1015766TheGoqParticipantY&P can you be a little clearer about what you are saying and why you are saying it?
May 13, 2014 1:14 pm at 1:14 pm #1015767Yashi and PemberMemberNo. It is open to interpretation and you guys should STOP TAKING EVERYTHING SO SERIOUSLY!
May 13, 2014 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #1015768groisnachesMember“Y&P can you be a little clearer about what you are saying and why you are saying it?”
Because had he said Jews are the best and brilliant, he wouldnt have gotten anywhere near the reaction he did.
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May 13, 2014 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #1015769oomisParticipantThis is a great jumpstart for a discussion. Jews are crazy…and so are the bicycle riders!(I really hope SOMEONE gets this reference!)
May 13, 2014 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #1015770Little FroggieMemberMODS Could you at the very least change this very offensive thread title. HaShem doesn’t like it, the very least bit. I guarantee you.
Thanks. (a member of this smart nation)
May 13, 2014 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #1015771TheGoqParticipantSmart is not the opposite of crazy froggie, many geniuses are crazy.
May 13, 2014 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #1015772ben_DavidParticipant@The Goq
Genius and eccentricity are connected my dear. Normalness is the trait of common people.
May 13, 2014 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm #1015773oot for lifeParticipantbecause its crazy in todays society to care about modesty or family values
because its crazy in todays society to not keep up with the latest celebrity gossip
because its crazy in todays society to believe in something bigger than oneself
because its crazy in todays society to care for other people unconditionally
because its crazy in todays society to love your fellow as you love yourself
because its crazy in todays society to not assimilate and lose who you are
I am 100% ok to be considered part of this crazy nation, and I daven my children will be as crazy as I am
May 13, 2014 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #1015774Little FroggieMemberoot for life:
If so I’M ALL FOR IT.
Thanks!!
May 13, 2014 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #1015775EnderParticipantoot: two thumbs up!
May 13, 2014 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #1015776Yashi and PemberMemberFrogster: It’s so comforting to know that whenever I’m in doubt about what G-d might or might not be offended by, all I need to do is consult with you, since you apparently have a direct pipeline to The Man Upstairs. So am I correct in assuming that He has no problem with one of His ?? ???? ???? being called a “Little Froggie?”
May 13, 2014 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #1015778Little FroggieMemberYou don’t have to consult me, you just have to open the closest chumash (that’s the bible). And there’s no Man upstairs, He’s a Being beyond any mortal’s comprehension. And I do happen to have a direct connection to Him, I talk DIRECTLY to him at least thrice daily. And He has no problem with my screen name, if anything’s the problem it’s the time I’m wasting <GOTTA GO>
May 13, 2014 9:04 pm at 9:04 pm #1015779oyyoyyoyParticipantim with rocky on this one. we have to be able to laugh at ourselves especially if what we do is crazy
May 13, 2014 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm #1015780oomisParticipantOOT – well said.
May 14, 2014 12:46 am at 12:46 am #1015781Yashi and PemberMemberIf there’s no “Man Upstairs,” why do we call Him “Him?” If “ein Lo d’mus haguf” and there’s no gender involved, why don’t we call G-d “It?”
May 14, 2014 12:57 am at 12:57 am #1015782☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantY&P, using grammatical gender terms is not the same as calling Him a man, unless you mean, as I had originally assumed, that “the Man upstairs” is a euphemism.
May 14, 2014 1:11 am at 1:11 am #1015783Little FroggieMemberNow, that is a valid question. And Rabbi Miller addresses it. In short he says that reference to masculine in general exhibits a sense of master, authoritativeness, strength. and etc.
May 14, 2014 1:41 am at 1:41 am #1015784sm29ParticipantThat’s a good question. I heard that even though G-d has no gender, we say Him because the term represents G-d’s giving. Like a husband who gives to his wife, Hashem gives to us.
May 14, 2014 2:21 am at 2:21 am #1015785rationalfrummieMemberThe shechinah is feminine, though.
May 14, 2014 2:25 am at 2:25 am #1015786Yashi and PemberMemberPlease don’t get me started on Rabbi Miller, because the moderator will never allow my comments to be posted.
You are 100% correct on that one
May 14, 2014 2:25 am at 2:25 am #1015787Yashi and PemberMemberFroggieMan:
You don’t have to consult me, you just have to open the closest chumash (that’s the bible). And there’s no Man upstairs, He’s a Being beyond any mortal’s comprehension. And I do happen to have a direct connection to Him, I talk DIRECTLY to him at least thrice daily. And He has no problem with my screen name, if anything’s the problem it’s the time I’m wasting <GOTTA GO>
I actually do have to consult you, because when I look in the Chumash, it doesn’t say anything about me not calling Jews crazy, and when I aks (that’s Urban for “ask”) Him directly, (I talk to Him at least thrice a day too you see; sometimes even frice or more!) He doesn’t respond. So please, put in a good word for me and tell Him I love Him and everything, but I’d like to know how much of the nonsense that goes on in this crazy (yes, completely crazy, insane, over-the-top loony-tune) community has anything to do with what he originally had in mind for his ostensible “Am Segula” and get back to me, will ya? And while you’re at it aks Him something else: if LittleFroggie is okay, How about LittlePiggie? Did you know that in many Chabad households treif animals (stuffed lions, elephants, Alligators on the kids’ PJs, etc) are all verboten? Was that His idea, too?
PS I hope you realize I’m just yanking your chain a little, brother…try and relax a bit, okay?
May 14, 2014 2:44 am at 2:44 am #1015788Yashi and PemberMemberMODS Could you at the very least change this very offensive thread title. HaShem doesn’t like it, the very least bit. I guarantee you.
Thanks. (a member of this smart nation)
And another thing, Froggo; apparently I’m not the only one…the Moderator doesn’t seem to think much of your guarantee about what G-d does and doesn’t like, either!
May 14, 2014 3:18 am at 3:18 am #1015790golferParticipantYash & Pem (aka Roc. Z.),
I enjoy your FJJ letters.
But I enjoyed your –
-STOP TAKING EVERYTHING SO SERIOUSLY! –
even more.
I’ve been wanting to say that round here for a while.
Please don’t take any offense from all the very serious posters and leave us.
We need you here to lighten things up when they get too serious & somber.
May 14, 2014 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1015791Yashi and PemberMemberGolfer,
Thank you for your support, and I mean that. IMHO, THAT is one of the big problems with some (and only some)Flatbush Jews; they’re so concerned about “letzonis” that they’re afraid to laugh, especially at themselves.
May 14, 2014 3:32 am at 3:32 am #1015792Yashi and PemberMemberYou are 100% correct on that one
Um…is that from Moderator Man?
or lady
May 14, 2014 3:40 am at 3:40 am #1015793Little FroggieMemberThere’s nothing wrong with lightening things up, it’s when one goes overboard and crosses a line, that’s wrong. No, I’m not so sure folks here would categorize me as a serious poster, no, nothing could be further than the truth. It’s just that certain things are a no-no. Putting such a headline is one. Attacking Jews as a group is not really something to be taken lightly. There can be lots of humor, fun besides pointing out and poking fun at certain segments of our holy nation.
May 14, 2014 3:58 am at 3:58 am #1015794Yashi and PemberMemberFroggerama…here’s a bulletin for you: a nice portion of our Holy Nation (speaking of which, can someone here give me a definition of the word “Holy”…in any context?) are WHACKED OUT OF THEIR HEAD LUNATICS. Doesn’t make them bad people; just makes ’em crazy. But I love ’em, anyway.
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May 14, 2014 4:03 am at 4:03 am #1015796I. M. ShluffinParticipant?kr?z?
informal
adjective
1. mentally deranged, especially as manifested in a wild or aggressive way.
“Shmuli went crazy and jumped on the lion.”
synonyms: mad, insane, out of one’s mind, deranged, demented, not in one’s right mind, crazed, lunatic, non compos mentis, unhinged, mad as a hatter, mad as a March hare; (antonyms: sane);
extremely annoyed or angry.
“The noise they made was driving me crazy”
foolish.
“It was crazy to hope that I could ever become a Rebbetzin.”
synonyms: stupid, foolish, idiotic, silly, absurd, ridiculous, ludicrous, preposterous, farcical, laughable, risible, nonsensical, imbecilic, harebrained, cockamamie, half-baked, impracticable, unworkable, ill-conceived, senseless; (antonyms: sensible)
2. extremely enthusiastic.
“I’m crazy about cholent.”
synonyms: passionate about, (very) keen on, enamored of, infatuated with, smitten with, devoted to;
(antonyms: indifferent, apathetic)
3. (of an angle) appearing absurdly out of place or in an unlikely position.
“The monument leaned at a crazy angle”
archaic
(of a ship or building) full of cracks or flaws; unsound or shaky.
North American: noun: crazy; plural noun: crazies
1. a mentally deranged person.
Which definition do you think Jews fall under the category of?
May 14, 2014 4:19 am at 4:19 am #1015797Yashi and PemberMemberSee post #7 (my #3) above. AND CHILL! PLEASE!!
May 14, 2014 5:00 am at 5:00 am #1015798Yashi and PemberMemberWhat did you edit from my Froggerama post?
May 14, 2014 5:01 am at 5:01 am #1015799Yashi and PemberMemberThink I should restart my old blog so I can express my opinions in peace?
May 14, 2014 5:09 am at 5:09 am #1015800sm29ParticipantIf you want a nice conversation then it’s best to start with something nice. Don’t light a match and be upset with the fire.
Maybe you were just being funny like when a friend says, you crazy.
But some might not take it that way. Please give us another chance, thanks 🙂
May 14, 2014 12:08 pm at 12:08 pm #1015802Yashi and PemberMemberWhat’s “not nice” about “Jews are crazy?”
May 14, 2014 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #1015803ben_DavidParticipantYashi,
You remind of Michael Savage. You’re both angry, vocal, funny, and indefatigable rant-machines with lots of chutzpah.
Here is a tip. Start your own radio talk show.
May 14, 2014 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #1015804HaLeiViParticipantIf you want to see Hashem’s opinion on the matter, read Parshas Balaq. What happened to Yeshaya Hanavi when he told the Man Upstairs Besoch Am Temei Sefasayim? Take Yoshke’s advice: Tovasam Derosh; Ra’asam Al Tidrosh.
May 14, 2014 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #1015805oomisParticipantY&P (why do I suddenly feel the need to go grocery shopping???), Hashem is referred to in masculine terms, because it makes it easier for us to conceptualize “Avinu Shebashamayim” when we bring it to our own humanistic terminology. When we want to think of Hashem as being Meracheim, we often use loshon nekeiva.
In any case, I think people DO sometimes take things a little too seriously, but that is part of the problem of READING and not hearing others’ words and seeing their facial expressions as they speak.
Personally, I do not take offense at mostly everything I read here, because I believe people need to be able to express themselves without fear of retribution, Divine or otherwise (unless they say something REALLY awful, and the MODS usually catch those things before they get posted, anyway). I don’t think what you posted was a terrible thing to say, I get the context in which you said it, and it applies to many of us (myself included, at times).
I also believe that there are many things that we Jews do, because they have become acceptable minhagim, but nonetheless were most likely not Hashem’s intention (not claiming to know Hashem’s intentions, folks). One example of that is the idea that it is mamesh awful to wear clothing that has some color to it. There is no Mitzvas Asei that I know of, wherein Hashem said, “Thou shalt only wear black and white!” I think back to the FJJ letter to the Shadchan in which a mother of a girl refused to allow her daughter to go out with a nice boy because he was wearing colorful sox when he showed up for the date.
Feeling that this was just plain stupid, is not being a self-hating Jew, or angry, or ANYTHING like Michael Savage, who apparently has a great deal of animus inside him, and (from the few times I have listened to him whiole driving)doesn’t allow many frum people to express themselves, but interrupts them in the middle of their attempt to make a point that is not in concert with his own point of view. Part of that problem, IMO, is that the frum Jews who DO call in, are not necessarily particularly articulate and they don’t make their point quickly and/or well.
I think people worldwide are crazy. We all have our shticklach, and personally, I find it makes life more interesting. The only time I find the word “crazy” to be offensive, is when someone is nebbich actually mentally ill, and people make fun of him or her. Otherwise, yes, we are all a little bit nuts.
May 14, 2014 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #1015806Yashi and PemberMemberHaLeivi (me too, by the way):
If you want to see Hashem’s opinion on the matter, read Parshas Balaq. What happened to Yeshaya Hanavi when he told the Men Upstairs Besoch Am Temei Sefasayim? Take Yoshke’s advice: Tovasam Derosh; Ra’asam Al Tidrosh.
With all due respect, I do not want to see Hashem’s opinion on the matter. You are a perfect example of part of what i’m talking about; If someone says or does something in Flatbush that is even a mah shehu out of the mainstream or controversial or gutsy or even just plain silly (like the original post of this thread was), invariably it will ruffle someone’s feathers in our crazy…yes crazy…community. Perhaps part of it’s a reflection of what’s going on in the rest of the country, with the liberal press and the Thought Police destroying folks they disagree with, but a lot of the attitude trickles down from some of the more extreme right wing rabbonim who, though their hearts may be in the right place (personally mine is right near my left kidney) give some (not all) people the impression that they must toe the line to qualify as a “Good Jew.” That works for some people, but can be quite annoying to others. Unfortunately, it can sometimes also turn people off to Yiddishkeit entirely.
NOW STOP TAKING ME SO SERIOUSLY AND RELAX!!!
May 14, 2014 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #1015807golferParticipantOomis, I completely agree with everything you wrote, except for one small point.
A mother who won’t let her daughter go out with a guy wearing colorful socks is definitely not crazy.
She is undeniably certifiably clinically insane, and in need of intensive counseling and medication.
May 14, 2014 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #1015808Yashi and PemberMemberYou remind of Michael Savage. You’re both angry, vocal, funny, and indefatigable rant-machines with lots of chutzpah.
Here is a tip. Start your own radio talk show.
Ben David (are you my opthamologist?):
I’m trying to decide if being compared to Michael Savage is a compliment. Wish you would have said Mark Levin instead.
May 14, 2014 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #1015809Little FroggieMemberOomis, I think HaShem is always referred to in the masculine. Even when invoking and beseeching His mercy, we say ???? ?? ?? ????. And I heard the reason to it, it’s not for now.
You wrote that people have to be able to express themselves without fear of retribution, Divine or otherwise. And I think, in my humble opinion, that it’s a grave mistake. Every word spoken (and written as communication) down here gets analysed, scrutinized, weighted and judged. Every single word! It’s certainly not a laughing matter. In peyutim on Yemei Hadin we make mention of this dire concern, we do especial teshuva for improper words, actually there are many ‘Al Chaits’ for sins of improper speech. Dovid Hamelech, in his Tehillim constantly writes about people whose mouth run too fast, speak evil, etc. ??? ????? ????.. Full of it. So are Sefer Mishlei and Koheles. Full of admonition against talking (and writing) without proper thought, attention.
So of course, to brighten up (or make) someone’s day, give a lift, a chuckle, smile, of course, that’s a mitzvah. A great mitzvah. As Gemarah (somewhere) says about two jesters, they’re destined to a portion in Olam Haba. But that’s all about clean, refined, edele speech and language. Not street stuff, nor offending anyone, or anyone’s sensibilities. That’s a direct hit to an aveiva in last week’s parsha, ??? ????. Nor leitzunus, as defined in seforim. To make light of Hashem, his mitzvohs (mitzvah observance), or Gedolim.
I forgot who and what, but there’s a famous story of somebody who either “was there and came back” or in a dream to a friend, and reported that he (she?) can only say that about speech, they’re especially exacting, strict. So no, by Jews speech should definitely not be a free for all. (btw, do you know how much I delete at the last moment before pressing <SEND>?)
About your other assumption about “minhagim”. I don’t know every Minhag. But as a general rule, if it’s something that’s done there’s probably a reason.Probably a good reason. Someone who wants to outsmart, undo, dis-attach should prudently make a thoroughly investigate the complete issue at hand, the origins, history, all pertaining information, before making “””ammends”””.
And even if there’s no reason at all (colored socks, perhaps), maybe, just maybe the mother in question didn’t want her precious daughter going out with an odd-ball. He did stand out, right?
May 14, 2014 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #1015810Yashi and PemberMemberBen David (are you my opthamologist?):
Yashi,
You remind of Michael Savage. You’re both angry, vocal, funny, and indefatigable rant-machines with lots of chutzpah.
Here is a tip. Start your own radio talk show.
I’m trying to decide if being compared to Michael Savage is a compliment. Wish you would have said Mark Levin instead.
May 14, 2014 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #1015811rationalfrummieMemberCould you clarify which Jews hou think are crazy? Lev Tahor? Frei Jews who don’t see the value of Torah/Mitzvos? People like little froggie who can’t take jokes?
May 14, 2014 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #1015812oyyoyyoyParticipantim crazy. is that ok? or do i have to ask myself mechilah
May 14, 2014 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #1015813oomisParticipantShe is undeniably certifiably clinically insane, and in need of intensive counseling and medication. “
Well, she is definitely going to be in need of a new Shadchan!
May 14, 2014 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #1015814oomisParticipantWish you would have said Mark Levin instead. “
My personal favorite…
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