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“That’s not what the course is called, troll.”
Uhhh… so yes the class happens to be called that…
And troll? serious? should I cry now?
Yea I’m a little full of it, judging by the intelligence level in this discussion, and my relative superiority, can you blame me?
Troll… ha yea ok
Pac-Man, stop manufacturing issurim out of thin air!!! There are enough real ones in Shulchan Aruch! Rabi Yehuda and his wife had only one dress for two of them. According to you they violated the obligation to be like royalty. STOP IT ALREADY!
and yea I know I’m a little comma happy
The issue isn’t tznius at all. It is just chikus hagoy.
IMHO, there are far more important tznius issues to discuss. Tight, fitted, flashy clothing for instance.
Pac-Man and everyone else who says jeans are lower class
Do you also have a problem with men wearing polo shirts when they are playing basketball? Or girls wearing t-shirts? Those are definitely less classy than a white shirt…
The issue isn’t tznius at all. It is just chikus hagoy.
Black hats and streimels originated from the goyim too.
Whether somethings considered Chukas Hagoyim depends on the goy’s intention. Znus (and avoda zora) stuff do fall in that category. And according to at least one poster who works in the industry, denim fashion is designed for znus. If that is indeed the case, then it would be chukas hagoyim (and disgusting) to wear denim.
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PS: Mods can I get a subtitle change? I’d like it to read “shelo asani frummak” Thanks.
This is going no where fast.
I have strong doubts that the fine Egyptian linen of 2000 years ago was created with any less improper intentions than modern denim. However, it was used by the Kohain Gadol on Yom Kippur.
We can not ban a material from being used to create clothing that are now associated with modest orthodox Jewish women.
is the issue the material or color? I mean I have a pair of black Jeans, that from far can be mistaken for pants…where does that leave me, im confused 🙁
mike: If this was a halachic issue, there would be a siman in shulchan aruch with shiurim.
Josh: Didn’t the Kohen Gadol wear Indian linen on yom kippur? Just trying to steer this thread towards something worthwhile.
Is there no cotton that is designed for znus? Wool? how can we denounce a material in its entirety!?
And according to at least one poster who works in the industry, denim fashion is designed for znus.
If denim is, then certainly lingerie is. Are you positing that the use of lingerie is forbidden as well?
The Wolf
Don’t try to apply logic to this. Won’t work.
Wolf
I was gonna ask that as well but didn’t think it would get through.
Regarding what the Kohen Gadol wore… this is in perek gimmel in yoma.
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You are both correct. In the morning he wore “pilusin” which the Rav tells us came from Ramses (Egypt) but in the evening he wore from Hodu (india). One thing is pretty certain, he didnt wear denim.
You’re right, he wore techeles which is identical to kele ha’ilan which is the dye that was originally used for jeans. (Most now use a synthetic dye.)
dunno
Me too.
What a raunchy site this is! 😉
Me too. I don’t know which mod posted it, but it wasn’t 95
“and yea I know I’m a little comma happy”
that better than being comma depressed
are you depressed GOQ? you sound down a little….
so everybody is in agreement now?
Sac
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no adorable im not depressed ty for asking as i said in the lady liberty thread got no sleep last nite but i am maintaining and will make it through the workday 🙂
“so everybody is in agreement now?”
Not sure about anyone else, but I certainly agree that men should not be wearing jean skirts.
It is noted many times in the biographies of The Chazon Ish z’kl, that while in Europe, he wore the garments of a common laborer.
Just a little factoid to digest…
To BestBubby: in EY the slightest sniff of American gashmiyus, real, or imagined can get a child booted out of certain schools.
interesting factoid to digest.
based on that, probably if he were alive today he would wear bluejeans, a baseball cap and sneakers. i dont know why the Gedolim of today dont.
I take it Mod 80 is using a dose of sarcasm.
Why should Pac-Man think that comment was sarcastic? Those ARE the garments of many typical laborers, are they not?
Cucumber:
PLEASE don’t go telling yeshiva boys that they are required to dress like royalty. Do you know how much those suits, shirts, shoes, socks and ties cost the Royal Family? Everything they wear is custom made.
All we need, yeshiva boys abandoning the SYMS bash and deciding that it’s am mitzvah to buy European designer suits at Barneys. Because it’s a big mitzvah to dress like kings and princes. Armani is thanking you already.
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