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One thing is certain. The January 6th Committee clearly does not want any outside scrutiny. Not even by friendly groups. Their absolute refusal to hand over the transcripts of the interviews they conducted to the DOJ which is completely on their side is just another indication that they have something to hide or info they hiding because it does not help their narrative.
jackk, thanks for doing the holy work of watching it for us and summarizing here the most mesmerizing episodes. Truly appreciate it!
Smerel, on one hand you’ve acknowledged Trump probably did lots of bad stuff and he’s a corrupt person. On the other hand, whenever anyone investigates him your knee jerk reaction is to distrust the investigators. I don’t get it. So far they’ve produced compelling testimony. Of course there would need to be a chance to cross examine in a criminal forum. But as you have already said, there’s probably lots of bad he’s done. And this shows a chunk of this bad.
When we decide who we vote for, we don’t wait for a criminal trial to convict “beyond a reasonable doubt”. Civil trials’ standard of liability is “by preponderance of the evidence.” And the evidence shows they’ve met that burden.
One thing that speaks volumes is Trump’s own speeches, texts, actions and inactions: he refused to condemn the violence for hours while he watched it on TV. And this past Shabbos he said at rally that he would pardon the violent protestors. That says it all. And the fact that there is now credible testimony establishing Trump knew he lost, peddled the lie anyway, knew or should have known there would be violence, and refused to do anything about it, just fills in the blanks and makes it worse. If you agree that these thugs should be held accountable, why would you vote for someone who is rewarding them for doing his bidding?jackk, thanks for the updates! Breathtaking. I hope the gingermint was obtained and DNA analysis done. Do keep us updated if something else important happens.
Jackk, thanks, this is mind boggling stuff. Is this still prime-time TV or on C-span? How many people are watching (besides you).
trump asked nancy for tens of thousands more national guard and she turned it down. it is ridiculous that even some jews can be so closed minded as to who the villian and hero of america is
i understand that you want to know whats going on but you should just know that there is a whole other side of the story than what the libs are spouting. our government was not going to be overturned. antifa was there rilng everyone up. trump did not cause it. and trump asked nancy before hand for extra national gaurd and she turned him down
Jackk, I looked up polling about the committee:
45% of independents approve their work and 20% of Repubs, so not much traction with Indies, but some with anti-Trump R-s.on hearings (literally sheni vhamishi – June 13 and 16):
20% of Ds listened in full, 8% of Is and 5% of Rs did
44% of Ds did not listen at all, I 68% R 75%
they do not seem to have data on the rest of hearingson minute details:
Only 40% of Dems heard nothing at all about some lady paid $60K for a short speech, 60% of R-s and I-s did not hear that.
30% of Ds did not hear anything about a judge talking about “war on democracy”, 50% of the rest.
30% of Ds did not hear about email asking T for a pardon, 50% of Rs and Is did not
for comparison:
40% of all group did not hear that some Elon M. voted R first time in his life
only 20% ! in each group heard nothing about some doctor getting positive for Covid
13% of Ds and Is and 10% of Rs did not hear about inflation (no car?)
50% of all groups did not hear that border Patrol arrests on Mexican border are record highToday’s hearing posits that Trump thought he was running an actual coup. There is no more missing pieces.
n0, great, they could not find retzicha and geneiva, now let’s do thought crimes…
Jakkkkkk the reason why you would need so many people there is bc things do get rowdy and it’s best to stay on the safe side. Additionally if antifa would showed up and they did they would make it violent. ( not trumpers)
Cross examination is important. Why are you all ready to believe some little girl who wants attention without even giving a chance for the other side to testify. Why are there no real republicans on the committee. Why are you throwing trump under the bus after 6 years I will repeat six years of the libs trying to find something anything to back up the claim that he is a fraud and currupt And each time there arguments go up in smoke. We have been here before you people don’t have any common sense
AskQs lol this is garbage and it is meant to avert our eyes from Brandon’s 10 plus crisis
Dear Young,
If Liz Cheney, is not a real Republican, than who is? Maybe Karl Rove And that’s it.
You could twist the world upside down. It doesn’t change what the Republican Party was for forty years.
There were many great Republicans who served and yet considered ‘owning the libs’ beneath them.
Dear Always,
It is called overthrowing the government. Same as what happens go the Far East, Africa, and Latin America.
Three differences from a classic coup are: 1. Some of the conspirators, including key figures, asked for pardons or planned a judicial defense in advance of the attempt. 2. Nobody thought of what to do if Pence etc. wouldn’t go along with their plans. 3. There was no safeguards to prevent things from going me the rails. A successful coup needs some discipline.
What does it show? That even when it comes to holding on to power, people without personal virtue will not think enough of themselves to do what actually works. Always looking for it to be handed to them.
Dear Smerel,
The Jan 6 committee wants some cooperation from the Justice Department. Neither is hiding anything specific. It’s the correct way to build a case.
young rechnitz, the reason why there are only 2 republicans is because republican senator Kennedy decided the republicans would not to cooperate with the committee. The initial proposal before the committee came into existence was a full-on bi-partisan congressional investigation, which was also rejected by republicans. So it’s unfair to cry foul about a committee with majority democrats. At least you have a couple cooperative republicans. And the most damning evidence (including texts and emails) are from Trumpers and republicans. If there’s a point this goes to trial there will be opportunity to cross examine. But most judgments you make every day are not proven to criminal court standards anyway. Damning evidence is exactly what it sounds like.
er -I stopped reading this thread when n0m hacked it up with definitions (no offense) and only clicked on your post thinking you were bringing something new.
This:
“the reason why there are only 2 republicans is because republican senator Kennedy decided the republicans would not to cooperate with the committee. The initial proposal before the committee came into existence was a full-on bi-partisan congressional investigation, which was also rejected by republicans. ”
Is not accurate. Either you don’t understand what happened, or you got your info from Joy Behar but it’s distorted.
Decades back i thought news stories were true. Then I read a write up about something that happened in my family and saw it was a mess. It took me months to realize that if that was wrong/altered, e eruthing else probably was too. It would serve you well to revisit. Unless this version works for you, in which case carry on.Dear Syag,
It wasn’t definitions. It was saying how the same words have different meaning according to certain narratives.
Anyone that thinks that trump was trying to overthrow the government without the military/ammunition just doesn’t know to much history or is just ignorant
the EX-president wanted to join the mob at the capitol and was stopped by the secret service.
I guess his bone spurs healed. LOL.Hi Syag, this is my understanding, please let me know specifically where you think I might be wrong and then I can go look up some more:
The full investigation idea was blocked by republicans, so they went with the hearing committee option. Republican Senator McCarthy (I had said Kennedy) proposed 5 republican names to participate on the committee. 2 of them, Banks and Jordan, were rejected by Pelosi because they actually voted to block the vote on Jan 6. So not only are they partisan (which EVERYBODY is), but they were involved in the very plan/scheme under investigation. So McCarthy decided no one would participate. Do you agree with the facts at least?
A legitimate apparent concern of course is the 2 republicans would undercut any attempt to investigate. I don’t know the ins and outs of the procedures but seems reasonable to believe they would hide or block testimony given they’ve already tried to block the votes. At least there could be more cross examination, but seems reasonable to block people involved somewhat in the allegations. There’s been speculation Trump is annoyed with McCarthy for refusing to participate.Okay jackkkkk sounds less and less like a coup the more questions you answer. but how would he overturn the results by being there if he is able to contact party anyway
you can use Karl Popper’s definition of a “theory” – it has to have plausible data that would disprove it. If a theory can “explain away” any data, it is not really a theory.
In this case, T is accused of “trying to go with the mob”. Previously, when everyone assumed it was his decision not to go – he was accused of provoking them and not even joining them.
just saw your msg. Agreed, I thought it was a bit disingenuous to slam him for NOT going (i.e. he makes everyone fight his battles). But then all the sudden it’s a better story to slam him for wanting to participate in the insurrection. Not trying to defend this madman, but I see that. On the other hand either action is unacceptable. It just so happens joining an action he knew was armed and violent is worse.
jackk, are hearings already over and I can switch the radio back or are they waiting for new explosives and we should all stay behind a cover? pls keep us updated!
I looked up “insurrection” in google trends – it spiked on Jan 6 and then again a year later, it gets almost no attention the rest of the seasons. It spiked in June for half of 1/6 anniversary but now almost fell back. I hope they keep some explosives for a week before elections, as the interest wanes pretty quickly.
jackk, thanks for the succinct updates. OM-! There WAS screaming.
What is unusual about these hearings that there is prosecution only and they apparently post selected quotes from videos, audios, and texts. At least, some of the media commentary quotes someone saying – or there was another phrase between those two .. I realize that this is R-s fault that they decided to boycott instead of fight, and is a good illustration of how USA would turn out were it to have Robespierre instead of Washington, and also halochos on choshen mishpat about prohibition of listening to one side without the other present.
Everyone but an Orange Blob sitting in his make-believe oval office built at his New Jersey golf course “tweeting” on his own social media site that no one reads know that he is about to be flushed down the political sewer. Only question is whether in his desperation he tries to drag other Republicans with him and clogs the pipes for 2024. At this point, for him, holding out as a possible candidate is the only way to keep from being indicted and rotting in jail (where they don’t have gold-plated toilet seats). Other interesting question is when Melania will bail out.
Jack GH, .et al
The one major mistake that Pelosi made was in how she structured the committee’s membership and procedures.
A. She disallowed Republicans who voted against the ballot but included members who had all voted previously to impeach Trump
B. One member she no problem accepting was Adam Schiff. He has zero credibility as he, during all of Russia Hoax, repeatedly stood in front of reporters cameras and lied about having indisputable evidence of Trump’s guilt. He, of course, had nothing.
C. Pelosi has allowed disputed hearsay testimony without any cross examination ( Cassidy Hutchinson) . As far as I know, I don’t think the Secret Service agents involved have been allowed to testify ( they deny her version of events )
D. Pelosi has presented only one side of the events in question, refusing requests to present conflicting evidence or testimony. Any prosecutor will tell you it’s easy to convict anybody when the jury hears only one side of the case.So, the sad part is that, even if, Jack and GH, you’re 100% correct in your assertions and beliefs, because the case was presented in a kangaroo court the results will be dismissed by many rational Republicans, Democrats and Independents.
I agree with you in re allowing heresay, some of the staging and use of excerpts but even after discounting all those concerns, there was enough to eliminate ANY doubt regarding the actions and responsibility for 1/6. Sadly, there is a fairly large segment of the Republican tzibur who won’t believe it no matter what evidence they are presented with.hy
“who won’t believe it no matter what evidence they are presented with”
GH – I think you are totally missing the point(s) even tho it has been stated so very many times. Nobody gives a hoot. The reason people are fuming at all this is because of the disgusting hypocrisy of the democrats and the unbelievable cultlike stupidity displayed by otherwise intelligent people who believe evrything they hear, completely disregard the inappropriate/illegal/unprecedented way things are carried out/presented over the last few years.
When it comes to people not believing the facts (FACTS), you and yours are first and foremost. I mean not only do you guys disregard absolute criminal behavior and evidence, your media doesn’t even bother reporting it and nobody complains.
I mean I don’t know if you can even hear what I am saying right now because it has already been said often and it disappears into the wind.
It isn’t about trump – it’s about the dems hypocrisy and an unrelenting fear of being at the mercy of these so called government officials. Look what they have done to our lives and our country and all they can worry about is interfering with the upcoming election. We are trapped under their rule, our lives are not manageable and we are at their mercy. If not for knowing that Hashem is running the world people would be killing themselves.“Look what they [presumably the Dems] have done to our lives and our country and all they can worry about is interfering with the upcoming election…”
Syag: I think you nailed it. Yes, for now, a primary concern IS with what is happening in many states regarding the upcoming 22 and 24 elections. You have a guy who going back to 2015/16 was already claiming the elections were “rigged” and for the next several years stoked those unsubstantiated claims (all rejected by the Courts and Judges from all ends of the political spectrum including Trump’s own appointees). When confronted with that reality, the Trump lawyers (Sidney Powell et. al) claimed that ALL those judges were corrupt. Notwithstanding the absence of any material evidence of “massive voter fraud”, 20+ red states have adopted wide ranging election law reforms, some of which would literally empower state legislators and activists to preempt local election officials and restrict voting access to segments of the electorate.
Bottom Line: When individuals indicted for their involvement in the January 6th riots and/or engaged in total denial of the 2020 election outcome are candidates for state and local election officials and many states are engaged in efforts to make voting more difficult and the counting of votes more opaque , there is much reason to worry. And yes, it worries me more than paying $5/gallon for gas.Alas, it seems my mic was off…
Syag: “Off” or “muted”….
Gadol > even after discounting all those concerns
I think this is the basic premise of halakha that one can’t judge based on one-sided information as you can’t even imagine what is missing. This is especially true in modern politics where messages can be taken out of context, secret proceedings selectively quoted. So, if you are interested in these proceedings, you need to ensure that you hear the other side.
@Jackk, you need to get a life
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