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The sad part is, that anything that happens these days all sides try to use this to further they political narrative without caring about due process. Thus ruining due process, which is scary.
n0mesorah,
“This report leaves us guessing as to what started the altercation. Arrest for open warrant? Trespassing? Just a disagreement? Insults? The big difference is why could he not just leave in peace. Even if this is to be the whole story, I would still disagree with you on both points.”
Why would it matter what and how the altercation started?
For argument’s sake, let us assume that the altercation was unjustified and could have been avoided at an earlier stage and diffused. At this point in the altercation, what other options did these police officers have?
You keep on mentioning that there is the potential threat of someone else who is not involved in the altercation that can shoot at the police, why do you believe this to be a considerable threat, has that yet happened. To me, this seems to be a suicide act, for someone to start shooting at three armed police officers.
“What is wrong with him getting into his car with his children with his knife? I carry a knife all the time. Is it against the law for me to have children in my car?
Fatal force is reserved only for life treating or some defensive situations. If your point is that the police were scared that he would attack his kids, that was my storyline. Nobody reported that.”
You really need this to be spelled out?
Carrying a knife, vs physically attacking police officers then holding the knife as they attempt to arrest you and disobey their orders to lay down the weapon (which you would are allowed to carry) is a considerable threat.
I am not sure if the officers were aware that these are his children or not., Or if this even makes any difference. They were faced with a situation if the suspect who is a known criminal ends up harming the children. Would it be on them?
You have yet to offer an alternative action that you deem would be appropriate for this exact scenario.
Dear Health,
The union is clearly pushing a narrative here. They have openly commented with assertions that are conflicted and unproven.
Now you are switching from bad faced lies to bold faced lies. I do not like it.
Dear Two,
You mentioned a lot of possible reasons. But it would help to conform to one clear narrative. Why couldn’t the officers just leave?
Jacob Blake had assaulted his girl friend. She took out a restraining order which he had just violated. She then called 911 and the police were responding to that call, and he had an outstanding warrant. Are you saying the police should have ignored the 911 and warrant? If Blake didn’t resist arrest, the rest doesn’t happen. Blake is an alleged rapist , and getting shot doesn’t make him a hero.
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Dear Anonymous,
Thanks for your input. To be clear (again), what Blake did was reckless.
This thread has never been about it’s title – Jacob Blake. It is about the silence from the Kenosha Police Department on the matter. [Interesting note, the chief of police has some weird things to say on a lot of other police topics.] If it is about a restraining order and resisting arrest, why did they not say that from the beginning? Why allow all this speculation?
The reason why I did not assume your version, is because it was reported as three minutes from the time of arrival to the shooting. That seems like too short to just resist arrest. At this point, I am doubtful of most of the reporting anyways. So Maybe the incident was significantly longer.
Also, what escalated the violence? The videos do not show why he had to be shot in the back. Whatever happened, Blake was walking away.
nOmesorah -“The union is clearly pushing a narrative here”
IDK. You seem to know what they said – I don’t. So don’t ask me questions about them.
This Blake should have Been Killed when the cops told him to Drop the Knife and he didn’t.We Law-abiding Americans are Not going to Let our PDs turn into Fat, Donut – Eating ticket makers for their Local Gov.
We Demand Real Law Enforcement – Catching the Real Bad Guys!Dear Health,
I totally agree with your demands. They should only focus on catching the bad guys! All non criminal activities should be outsourced to other departments.
N0m,
“ Why couldn’t the officers just leave?”
A. He assaulted an officer.
B. I believe it was reported he had an arrest warrant.
C. He had a weapon.
D. He was getting into a car with minors together with a weapon.Just a few reasons why they just couldn’t leave.
“Whatever happened, Blake was walking away.”
Jacob Blake was walking toward.
Dear Syag,
He was walking away from the altercation; whatever it was that took place. This does not mean there was no cause. It means that some clarification from the police should be forthcoming.
He wasn’t walking away from anything.
You seem to waiting for a personal and very detailed account sent directly to your email. Maybe you should request one.Dear Two,
The police were called for a domestic incident. Their only duty is to settle the incident. There is no obligation on them to walk the beat on a call. None of those reasons automatically require the officers to remain on the scene.
None of the factors you listed are clear cut:
A: According to Raysean White, he was not even resisting. At the time he was shot, the tussle had ended.
B: To arrest him for the warrant, they would have had to identify him first. And then attempt to place him there arrest and read him his rights.
C: There is no solid corroboration that the knife was a factor. I doubt the police ever noticed it.
D: It was his kids in his car with his knife. Why is this a problem? Every father that takes his kids fishing does this.
2scents- from what i heard you are correct. Not sure why he’s married to his narrative, esoecially when he claims it isn’t his narrative. And that fishing comment is just bazaar. Cuz yeah, he was about to take them all fishing. Just needed to steal a car on the way. Like all dads. SOP
Dear Syag,
In the video posted to Facebook there is some struggling going on by the passenger side of the car. He walks away from it. It is simple to see. His back is to the guns the whole time they were drawn. Which is clear and obvious from the whole first video.
We could discuss what was the beginning of the story. And come up with all sorts of stories why it is a shame that Blake is not dead. But how do you attempt to dispute a video that the whole nation has seen? Everyone is aghast at the video itself, and asking what is the story. But you find it self evident. You play it every night before bedtime. Or maybe you play the other video that you have hinted to. But never showed me where to find it. Or even discussed it’s contents. Because it does not exist.
PS It was his car. Eyewitnesses said he drove up in it. And told his son to get in. And the investigation referred to it as his car.
Everyone is aghast… i can’t argue with someone who has polled ‘everyone’. I guess you musta missed my personal circle of friends.
I also didn’t realize you were a first person witness. My humble apologies. But thanks for at least admitting that it’s your way or the highway. I think that was what i was getting at all along.
N0m,
He had an officer in a headlock, taser was deployed yet was not effective. What else needs to happen to satisfy your minimum requirements for resisting arrest?
Dear Two,
That is one version. Possible. There is a reverse version. Also possible. Is the truth somewhere in the middle? Possible. Really weird situation. To me, this has a lot of echoes of Ferguson. The story brings up broader questions about the whole city.
The only criteria needed for resisting arrest, is that the officers had to attempt one. This was not immediately confirmed. And at this point, is conflicted. There will end up being to completely different versions. What is unique here, is that there is a survivor, multiple witnesses, and video evidence. We should get some truth eventually.
This all does not address why he was shot after the fact. If we are having a contest as to win can make the boss into heroes, I won that one long ago.
N0m,
Anything is possible.
For the record, outside this thread i have heard exactly zero people aghast, confused or wondering what happened, or not knowing the story or any of the other things you expressed. It doesn’t mean they’re right, it means you have to leave room in your conversations for opposong opinions and allow them to exist even if you didn’t think they did, purely because an honest voice mentions it might.
Homework. Good luck.
n0mesorah -“This all does not address why he was shot after the fact.”
You seem confused. If anyone is entering a car & there are kids inside, and the Perp was told by cops standing there – to – “Drop the Knife” & he didn’t – Of course he’ll be Shot!Dear Health,
What is wrong with getting into your own car, with your own kids, and your own knife?
First the police would have to notice his knife.
n0mesorah -“First the police would have to notice his knife.”
Yes, the Cops noticed the Knife, even if the bystanders didn’t.
I don’t think the cops made this up, because they found a knife on the floor by the driver’s side.
So when they Screamed – “Drop the Knife” – Blake would probably Not gotten shot, if he would have just listened!Dear Health,
The verification was that they found a knife. And Blake told investigators in the hospital that he had had one. The investigation never said that the knife was part of the incident. And the Kenosha Police Department did not put out a statement.
It has been reported that Raysean White said he heard them say “drop the knife”. I watched four interviews of him. If never mentions the knife. And the video was shot from across the street. The police are not audible.
n0mesorah -“The investigation never said that the knife was part of the incident.”
FYI, the investigation is Not close to being over.
So what are you talking about?“I watched four interviews of him. If never mentions the knife.”
Well I watched One video of him and I clearly heard him say -“All the cops kept yelling -“Drop the Knife – Drop the Knife”.Maybe your YouTube has a Lib version, where they Slant the Truth?!?
Dear Health,
They did say it will be a short investigation. Whatever.
Can you find a direct source for the ‘drop the knife’ myth?
n0mesorah -“Can you find a direct source for the ‘drop the knife’ myth?”
Your post Cracks me up!
Let’s see – I went on YouTube and I watched a video about the Blake Shooting. There was a Black showing the video – I assumed that was Mr. R. White. As part of his narration – he said – all he heard was the Cops yelling – “Drop the Knife – Drop the Knife”!Dear Health,
I would love to see it. Can you identify this video for me? I tried different search engines, and it would not come up.
n0mesorah -“I would love to see it. Can you identify this video for me? I tried different search engines, and it would not come up.”
I found it on YouTube. Fox 6 in Milwaukee did an interview.
The interview showed a splilt screen. I assume the black guy was R. White.
He narrated it. He said a lot more than I previously posted.
He said –
“Blake fought with police, including putting one officer in a headlock, and then Police used a Taser, which did not stop Blake.”
Then he said quietly – “the Cops said “Drop the Knife”, but I didn’t see a Knife”.So what – he didn’t see the knife from across the street?
Dear Health,
Yes! Yes! You found it!
I will follow this video and post again.
Quick correction. The officers had Blake in a headlock. It does not make sense. I’ll listen to it a few more times before I post.
This still does not make for a crime. Blake did a terrible job of self preservation. And the police botched the call. And we have no idea why.
You’re still scratching your head over that. Amazing. Why not say “i have no idea why” who exactly do you think you are speaking for?
Dear Syag,
The OP. I never figured out where you want to start the conversation. Go ahead the floor is yours.
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