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Dear Syag,
There is not much available. Whoever is in charge here, is doing an excellent job holding back information. We could end up with very different conclusions from separate investigations. I am not (seriously) speculating. I am just responding to other posters takes. It will take a while to figure out what when on here. The video does look bad. And if the timeline is true, it is likely that the police never really had control here.
Here are the props that I an aware of on this conversation.
Knife – A knife was found on the floor of the car. He told police he had a knife. He seems to be holding an open pocket knife in his hand on the way to the car. A bit confusing.
Car – The shooting occurred in a white sedan. It has been widely reported that his kids are inside. The big question to me is, was that his car and was the kids part of the original incident.
Gun – A lot of blabble about a possible gun. But I have not found anything real. (Even from MikeTheCop.)
Keys – The caller mentioned that someone took her car keys and was not giving them back. It is never mentioned again. Maybe, maybe, (I doubt it.) that was an odd looking key ring in his hands.
Taser – There are reports that police used a taser on him, and it did not work.
Pepsi – Some idiot on a wonderful site made it up to be funny.
For what it is worth, we may as well be talking about a story that never happened. It has not been clarified if Blake was the subject of the call. Or if the police knew who anybody was a the time of the shooting. I am just pointing out, that the police did not prove useful in this domestic incident. Obviously, Blake was not prudent enough. It does not make him wrong. It made him get shot.
All the reporting I saw, has very little detail. Most of the story is about the reactions to the shooting. (His condition. His father and lawyers statements.) What do you have that I am missing.
Dear Health,
It is unclear why or if Blake was ‘an (immediate) problem’. Was he the subject of the call? And did the police know who he was?
Dear Jersey,
What is simple? How do you know what he said?
(Failure to obey, is a misdemeanor.)
Dear Crown,
Your ideas are not relevant to this case. You could be referring to Rayshard Brooks. Blake was a civilian interacting with other civilians. Police were called. And shot Blake three minutes later. If this much is true, than either the cops got flustered. Or he did (and said) something really stupid. This is not a resisting-arrest-no-choice matter.
The following is pure speculation as an attempt to make OCH’s point relevant to this case.
Though it could be that the Brooks incident is having an influence on police across the land. They do not want to be on youtube as bumbling fools. So they move quickly toward an arrest.
“It is unclear why or if Blake was ‘an (immediate) problem’. Was he the subject of the call? And did the police know who he was?”
It’s all out there. None of this has been hard to find or hidden. I am confused about how you are missing it, unless it’s just my proximity to kenisha giving me more info
“This is not a resisting-arrest-no-choice matter”
And you know that because…..
The facts disagree with you.
nOmesorah -“Was he the subject of the call?”
A family member called 911 asking for help with this fellow.
“And did the police know who he was?”
It’s irrevelant.
“He seems to be holding an open pocket knife in his hand on the way to the car. A bit confusing.”
It seems either you’re the One that’s Confused or Your trying to confuse e/o in the CR.
When s/o calls 911 & police respond – they evaluate the situation.
They found a Guy carrying a Knife (doesn’t matter the size).
They ordered him to Drop the Knife. He didn’t. He proceded to open the car & then was shot.
IMHO, they should have shot him right away – when he Didn’t Listen to the Lawful Order of “Drop the Knife”!Dear Health,
All the reports are that he told officers he was carrying a knife. It is noticeable (to me) in the video. I am confused why it is not reported as he had a knife. Unless it means he threatened them with the knife. It is unclear.
It does not seem like the police had enough time to do much evaluation here.
Was the knife the issue? (See above.) How do you know they told him to drop the knife? Why is holding a knife such a big deal? I have a knife right now. Don’t shoot.
Dear Syag,
All the reports do not give much info on the why of the matter. For example: Officers arrived at the scene and attempted to arrest 29-year-old Blake, at one point using a Taser in an attempt to stop him, but that attempt was unsuccessful. Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back. No other officer fired their weapon.
It does not say why they decided to arrest him. Trespassing? Failure to obey? Public disturbance? Open warrant? Domestic abuse? Three minutes is very quick to arrive at the scene and attempt an arrest. Could be the three minutes is not true. The story is very much unknown.
I do not think the unrest in Kenosha is due to this one incident. It seems like the community does not trust the police.
Dear Health,
The more i look into it, it seems like the police were unaware that he had a knife. Maybe it means he told that to the investigators in the hospital.
Dear Syag,
Some reports have it that the caller was reporting about her boyfriend. Others just say she called about someone. If she told the dispatch ‘boyfriend’ and the police were told ‘someone’ that is a crucial difference.
Nowhere does it say that the police ID’d Mr. Blake. The only newsbit (If we are to believe it.) is that he was involved (Settling or fighting?) in a dispute between two women. Did the police just assume that they were called to arrest him? Nothing is clear to me.
Im still baffled that you only have access to half the story. Or maybe you only read half the article. Or maybe you just adk other people who read the article what the story is. Whatever.
Regarding this:
“I do not think the unrest in Kenosha is due to this one incident. It seems like the community does not trust the police.”Actually they have found that the unrest is perpetrated by people invited/hired in from other states. Not a kenosha citizenty issue.
nOmesorah -“Was the knife the issue? (See above.) How do you know they told him to drop the knife? Why is holding a knife such a big deal? I have a knife right now. ”
Your posts are getting childish.
When a cop tells you to “Drop the Knife” and you don’t – they will restrain you & there is the possibility of you getting Shot.
I Sure hope Crump is getting Paid for his time, because Defending this Perp is a waste of Time!
He’s guilty even though – he’s Black and Black Lives Matter.@NoMesorah You are such a liberal.!!!!
Wonder what you would do if you were that cop. You probably would have stood there till you getThis whole argument is mind boggling.
If a cop is pointing a gun at you and telling you to do jumping jacks, you’d have to be a moron to ignore them and just walk away.
Sure, maybe he didn’t deserve to be shot, but neither does someone driving on the highway without a seat belt deserve to be killed.
This whole argument is mind boggling.
Why? The argument isn’t about whether Blake is at fault, it’s about whether the cop is at fault, and they are not mutually exclusive.
Dear Proud,
I sure would not have kept all three officers on one guy heading to his (Or his girlfriend’s?) car, and leaving my back open to anybody on the street. {Again, if the three minute timeline is true…..} The cops had no way of knowing if they were being lured into an ambush.
I am pro life even when it does not involve abortion. No reason for cops to screw up and be dead.
Dear Health,
If the cops never noticed the knife, they probably did not say “drop the knife”. Where did you get these specifics from? I will just assume you were there. I think you misheard. What the officer actually said, was “drop the wife”.
Dear Syag,
The main part of the story, is not verifiable. If it is three minutes, it is nearly impossible to assume that the cops are completely innocent. [at this point, I have serious doubts about the timeline being true.] If there was more time, then it makes more sense to assume that they did everything right. Until, they were left with arresting him over (at least) a legality, and the suspect resisted arrest, which left the officers with little choice. It would be similar to the Rayshard Brooks case, in that it underlines that multiple nice cops are no match for one black man determined not to go to jail.
There is simply no coherent story of what went on between the dispatch and the video. This thread from the OP on, has been about the police and their take. That Blake threw caution to the wind, was obvious from the getgo and never disputed.
Here is an article that came out yesterday. Notice all the contradictions.
Jacob Blake — whose police shooting in Kenosha, Wis. touched off a renewed, nationwide wave of anti-cop sentiment — was armed with a knife and had engaged in a violent struggle with officers moments before he was shot, according to shocking new law enforcement allegations.
A knife-wielding Blake had put one of his arresting officers in a headlock and shrugged off two of their attempts to stun him into submission, an attorney for the union that reps Kenosha police, told The Associated Press.
The lawyer’s claim that Blake was holding a knife before they shot him seven times in the back appears to contradict the account of state investigators, who had said the knife was recovered inside Blake’s vehicle.
Brendan Matthews, the attorney for the Kenosha Professional Police Association, issued a statement Friday giving the police’s own version of events as they face criticism from across the country.
Matthews said Blake was holding a knife that officers initially didn’t notice during the altercation on Sunday.
“The officers first saw him holding the knife while they were on the passenger side of the vehicle,” he said.
But Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Kaul said on Wednesday that a knife was recovered from the driver’s side floorboard of Blake’s car, that no other weapons were found at the scene and that Blake had told the officers he had the knife.
Kaul has declined to comment on when the knife was recovered in the car.
Matthews claimed when the officers spotted the knife, they made multiple requests to Blake to drop it and that he was uncooperative.
That’s allegedly when the officers used a Taser on Blake in a failed attempt to incapacitate him, Matthews said.
The witness who recorded the shooting, 22-year-old Raysean White, has said he hadn’t seen a knife in Blake’s hand, but that he heard the officers yell to him, “Drop the knife! Drop the knife!” before they shot Blake in front of his young children.
In case this was not contradictory to you, here are two point I took out of White talking to the media last week – the day after the shooting. 1) After stepping away and coming back, White said the scene drastically changed. Police were wrestling with Blake.
“One of them had him in a headlock and was punching him in his ribs, the other had him in a headlock on the other side of him and was pulling his arm,” White told CNN.
“After they punched him in his rib, the female officer Tased him and Jacob kind of leaned on the car and they proceeded to wrestle him toward the back of the car and he went to the other side of the car. When they were on the other side of the car on the ground, I had to pick up my camera and start recording.” 2) He did not say anything about a knife, even though I spotted the knife on the video. By Wednesday, there were multiple outlets reporting that White said he heard the cops say drop the knife. But I could not trace it back to him.I am not saying I believe my sleuthing, or CNN. I am just saying we do not know now, and we may never know. But in real time, the police are supposed to know. I guess we could sum up that while it is not always clear how bad policing is these days, it is evident that journalism is not up to snuff.
nOmesorah – “The witness who recorded the shooting, 22-year-old Raysean White, has said he hadn’t seen a knife in Blake’s hand, but that he heard the officers yell to him, “Drop the knife! Drop the knife!”
Forget your contradictions, when cops tell you Drop the knife and you don’t – you’ll get shot.
BTW, White said that when he was first interviewed.“that a knife was recovered from the driver’s side floorboard of Blake’s car”
Well Mr. Sleuth – that’s what happens when you get shot – you End up Dropping the Knife!
Now imagine, if he would have listened right away – Perhaps he wouldn’t have Gotten Shot?!?Dear Health,
Did he have the police officer in a chokehold?
Sorry headlock.
Dear Health,
Where was White first interviewed? More important, who first reported that he heard ‘drop the knife’? Not CNN. Not Milwaukee Independent. I could not hear it on the video, so how did he hear it? But the knife is visible as Blake passes in front of the car.
Police knew by the time they arrived on the scene that Blake had a warrant for his arrest on a sexual violence charge, was known to carry a gun, and had a history of assaulting police. Blake resisted being taken into custody. Tasers were deployed but didn’t work, as happens quite often (you need two good contacts with the subject’s skin to make a circuit.) Blake can be seen with a Karambit-shaped knife in his hand, one so deadly it has special restrictions under various laws. The officers repeatedly tall him to drop the knife, and when he refuses draw their guns.
Blake attempts to get into a vehicle, the keys to which he stole from the complainant. He is thus about to be armed with a knife, a 3000 pound vehicle, and with whatever weapon may be inside. There are children in the back seat who are liable to become shields or hostages.
At this point Blake poses a deadly threat to the officers and other people. As per their training, the cops fire at the center mass of his body until it is clear he poses no immediate threat. They had to ensure no rounds endangered the children in the back seat. This meant they fired into his back. If the intent was to kill him, they would have aimed for his head.
Perhaps one may arrive in retrospect at better ways for the police to handle the situation, but in the circumstances, they did what they had to do. The fault is entirely with Jacob Blake.
nOmesorah – “Did he have the police officer in a chokehold? Sorry headlock.”
IDK or Care.
“Where was White first interviewed? More important, who first reported that he heard ‘drop the knife’? Not CNN. Not Milwaukee Independent. I could not hear it on the video, so how did he hear it?”
I saw an interview with White on You Tube.
IDK who posted it; maybe White himself.Look – don’t go to the Media for News. A lot of people call it Fake News!
CE -“The officers repeatedly tall him to drop the knife, and when he refuses draw their guns.”
When he refused – give him half a second & then Shoot him.
The cops let him run around the car & try to enter it – with 3 kids in it.
The Cops did a Lousy Job!
But after Milwaukee, they care more about their jobs then s/o’s Life.Dear Health,
I heard four interviews with Raysean White. In none of them does he say he heard ‘drop the knife’. He does say that the officer acted as if he knew that he messed up. Trump put out a statement to that effec. But all the journalists could point out, is that he used a golf analogy.
nOmesorah – “I heard four interviews with Raysean White. In none of them does he say he heard ‘drop the knife’.”
I don’t care if he gave 100 interviews after the one I saw. Maybe he didn’t mention it again because the case became Famous. It was one of the first interviews. He kept saying, after he showed his video – the cops kept yelling – “Drop the Knife – Drop the Knife”.
Dear Chaim,
“Police knew” = they could only know if the identified him.
“known to carry a gun” = Because a youtuber said so.
“Blake resisted” = Multiple witnesses said he didn’t. In the moments leading up to the shooting, he was definitely not resisting. There are two videos to prove this.
“told him drop the knife” = I am trying to figure this part out. You seem to have it in the beginning of the clip. Maybe they did. So what?
“attempts to get in a vehicle” = Opens the car door. Not clear if he was going anywhere. Some accounts say that he was checking on his kids.
“keys to which” = I have asked whose car it was. That is my own speculation. Every single report says it was his car. The witness who videoed it, says he came in that truck.
“he stole from” = Nobody confirmed that he was the subject of the call. In the same interview, he says that the fight was between two woman. They were fighting before Blake showed up. And Blake did not get involved when he was watching. (He left for a bit.)
“a knife, a 3000 pound vehicle, and” = You are being silly.
“weapon may be inside” = No weapon was recovered inside the vehicle. It looks from the video that he was not even reaching into the car. If he was, he should not have crumpled on the spot. He should have ended up on the driver’s seat.
“children in the back seat” = Yes. His own children. Police can shoot black fathers for getting into a car with his kids!?!?!?
“shields or hostages” = You are giving your average cop way to much credit. If they were so hyper aware, they should have noticed that they exposed their backs to an angry crowd. Or maybe they did not feel threatened at any point. Or maybe the police in Kenosha always act with impunity.
“Blake poses a deadly” = Even according to your perversions, the most likely scenario is he would just drive away.
“to the officers” = His back is to them. Maybe at a later point? He does not seem to care about them.
“and other people” = Who else? Me? You? Mickey Mouse?
“training, the cops fire” = One officer fired. And he was right behind Blake holding his shirt. Maybe he should have been trained to do a non-lethal take down.
“center mass” = And hit him three times out of seven shots. Obvious point blank range.
“until it is clear he poses no immediate” = He shoots him four times. Than a long pause. Then three more. That part appears indefensible. The only argument is a mental lapse. There never was an immediate threat.
“in the back seat” = Agreed! When we are dealing with such incompetence, cops facing toward the front of the car are likely to end up hitting a kid in the back seat.
“intent was to kill him” = The mercy of police these days. They did not attempt an execution in broad daylight in front of witnesses. (Nobody says this is as bad as what Derek Chauvin did. That is not a defense.)
“arrive” = The reactions to this fifteen seconds, does not to be arrived at. It is right there. Did you watch it?
“retrospect” = A lot of criminals would also tell you they do not condone what they themselves did.
“for police” = There are better ways to police. A domestic incident does not need to be handled through an arrest. For sure not by gunshots.
“handle the situation” = The cops did not handle the situation.”
“the circumstances” = According to multiple witnesses, the police were fighting with him, and kept putting him in a headlock. Blake was not resisting, just keeping his balance. (I understood that to mean, that the police had no idea how to manipulate the hold.) The police union claims that he had the officer in a headlock. That sounds interesting. They let that go, but shot him seven times for opening a car door.
“they had to do” = Why was police needed here? And, why couldn’t they just leave? They clearly do not hold themselves accountable.
“fault” = This is such a massive mess for the KP. They did not even issue a real statement.
“with” = The feds are also investigating. Maybe it is to send extra cash to Kenosha.
“Blake.” = He obviously is not being cautious about the police pointing guns at him. I cannot be sure I would let myself get arrested by such jerks. I would go to the next town, and turn myself in.
You refute his words with, “because avyoutuber said so” and then use the same level source to support your next few comments. Pick a lane. And resisting arrest DOES include wiggling out of restraint and getting into the drivers side while someone tugs you shirt and yells for you to stop. you are really grasping at straws here. Seems you aren’t just batting around stuff posters here are saying anymore. Sorry, couldn’t bear to read the rest. 😖
nOmesorah -““told him drop the knife” = I am trying to figure this part out. You seem to have it in the beginning of the clip. Maybe they did. So what?”
I’m trying to figure you out.
No matter how you twist the case, if a cop tells you to -“Drop the knife” and you don’t – it’s very likely that they will make you do it, like Shooting you!Dear Syag,
The point that Blake was known to carry a gun, is not found in the wider media. It was mentioned in the second post on this thread, quoting a youtuber who does not have a source. I was quoting eye witnesses who have been interviewed by multiple outlets, including youtubers. the rest of the information is from the statements of the Kenosha police union, and the federal and state investigations.
But the big difference is, I am advocating that this is not a clear narrative. A lot is not being told to us. Which right or wrong, reflects badly on the police. The other poster had a clear narrative that was not in line with any confirmable sources. And, it was contradictory.
To my worthless opinion, anytime police shoot someone over a domestic incident something went horribly wrong. In that sense, this is worse than the Rayshard Brooks incident. Even though the Atlanta cops are on video bumbling through that attempted arrest.
In this case, if there was an attempted arrest it is not on the video.
Then you missed a video
Dear Health,
If the Police shot Blake for refusing to drop the knife, that should be the main story line. Even the police union mentioned the knife as a side topic
You seem to be the only credible first hand source that understood it to be about the knife. Maybe you misheard.
So here is what we are left with:
1) Did the police notice that he had a knife?
2) Did they tell him to drop it?
3) Did that have any relevance to the shooting?While the answer to the first two may be yes, the police are not confirming that it was so. Even if it was, the answer to the third question is NO. His back was to the police. If they are terrified of knives they did not have to follow him so closely. Et cetra, et cetra.
And most confounding (which is possibly the reason that even the police do not want to make the story about the knife) of all: Is there any way that holding a knife, would warrant the second round of shots?!?
Now, here was my ‘so what’ point. There were three armed officers. Against one person with a knife. If they feel compelled to shoot, they are in the wrong profession. Bagging groceries would be easier on their nerves.
(I have been at knifepoint multiple times. With one exception, I never had worse than some cuts on my hands. The only thing that you are forced in to against a knife wielder, is to not lose sight of the knife. In this short clip, the police seem oblivious.)
nOmesorah -“If the Police shot Blake for refusing to drop the knife, that should be the main story line.”
Well you’re right. Maybe that’s why it’s called Fake News!
“Maybe you misheard”
I don’t think so.
“1) Did the police notice that he had a knife?”
Yes.
“2) Did they tell him to drop it?”
Yes.
“3) Did that have any relevance to the shooting?”
Of course.
” If they are terrified of knives they did not have to follow him so closely.”
Maybe they weren’t that afraid, but they were scared for the kids in the Car?!?
“Is there any way that holding a knife, would warrant the second round of shots?!?”
Of course, you and the Rest of the Libs, judge up the case, even though you’re not the Judge!
“I have been at knifepoint multiple times. With one exception, I never had worse than some cuts on my hands.”
Well lucky you!
BTW, do you know if there are any murders in the UK?
There shouldn’t be, because almost no one has Guns!!Sorry, Syag. There is no video (as of the last time I checked) of the officers attempting to arrest Jacob Blake.
Dear Health,
Who mad up that the police knew there were kids in the car? (Is someone trying to steal my story line?) And why won’t the police union advance your theories? Is the union also fake news?
PS You need better counterpoints.
Well that sure beats all! Not only do you make up ideas and present them as fact, but now you’ll say that the video i saw and read about doesn’t exist.
Nice.nOmesorah -“Who mad up that the police knew there were kids in the car? (Is someone trying to steal my story line?)”
What story line?
The cops were right Next to the car – so they saw the kids.
Do you think kids are invisible?“And why won’t the police union advance your theories? Is the union also fake news?”
No. The union is trying to be impartiial. They don’t work on the Defense Team.
“PS You need better counterpoints.”
I don’t have to counter Fake points.
Why is this Blake the The Lib Topic of the Day?
The cops should be rewarded, because they responded to a Domestic and they protected the Black Women.
And BLM!The following was on one of the news networks.
“The man who made the widely seen cellphone video of the shooting, 22-year-old Raysean White, said he saw Blake scuffling with three officers and heard them yell, “Drop the knife! Drop the knife!” before gunfire erupted. He said he didn’t see a knife in Blake’s hands.
The Kenosha police union said Blake had the knife and refused orders to drop it. Blake fought with police, including putting one officer in a headlock, the union said. Police twice used a Taser, which did not stop Blake.”
Question, if the facts are as this report, what other options did the police have at the time?
Taser, already deployed and did not seem to work.
So what now? allow the suspect who is armed with a knife to get into the car with the children?
Are the cops only to use deadly force if their own lives are in immediate danger?
Dear Two and anyone else who has not been following this thread,
The OP asked if the Kenosha police offered a statement. At the time, they had not. I answered that they have nothing to gain. The discussion turned to speculation if, and with what Jacob Blake was a threat. As the days past, the threat looks less credible, but some keep posting the same storyline. Even though it is contradictory, and has not been sourced. We have all stated multiple times that it is impossible to know the full context here. [Except for one poster who witnessed the event.] The fact that the official investigations are not giving clear statements, is highly suspicious. As well as the idea that the local DA will make the call, and not the state or federal investigation. Etc.
This topic has been focused on why the police would not clear the record. And the quality of policing in general. I have also noted that the quality of journalism has been awful. They are drooling at the possibility of being able to report on another town being razed a la Ferguson. The story is not being told. If you want to start another post about Blake’s terrible efforts at self
preservation, nobody is refuting that one. The truth about the victim does not cover for the inadequacies of the police.Dear Two,
This report leaves us guessing as to what started the altercation. Arrest for open warrant? Trespassing? Just a disagreement? Insults? The big difference is why could he not just leave in peace. Even if this is to be the whole story, I would still disagree with you on both points.
The road could have secured the area and not followed him so closely. The second video shows a lot of angry bystanders. The boss did not even cover themselves. If someone would have shot bullets instead of a video, ……..
What is wrong with him getting into his car with his children with his knife? I carry a knife all the time. Is it against the law for me to have children in my car?
Fatal force is reserved only for life treating or some defensive situations. If your point is that the police were scared that he would attack his kids, that was my storyline. Nobody reported that.
Dear Syag,
I have said many times that we do not know. And have offered sources across this topic. For many different versions. None of them make the police into heroes. Except one. Which I entirely made up on my own. Maybe that is what is bothering you.
There are two bystander videos. One is from Raysean White. Who has given multiple interviews. It was shot from across the street. It shows the police allowing Blake to get around the car. Meanwhile, they draw their guns. The second video was posted on Facebook. It is shot from the same side of the street. And it picks up at the end of a tussle. It is very hard to pick up what is going on in the first seconds. If there was an attempted arrest, it would have been earlier. If you have seen another video, I’m all ears!
It should be amusing (but it’s not) to attend to this armchair quarterbacking. There are typically multiple versions of the facts of the case, and that is precisely why there is an investigation, and will probably be some court action to sort things out and establish the fact pattern. Meanwhile, the Dems are obsessed with the anti-black narrative, and all reputable data suggests that is fictitious. It remains unquestionable fact that there is zero moral defense for the protesters destroying anyone’s property and endangering the safety of everyone else. And the level of rioting that is currently going on has not had anything to do with racism at all. Blake is just another excuse to riot. That’s what the Dems want. And if that is how you believe, vote for Biden-Harris and other Democrat terror lovers.
“Maybe that is what is bothering you.”
I think I’ve been pretty clear what bothers me. It’s that you make decisions/observations/opinions on matters and then decide that that’s the way it is. Not a lot of room for outside thoughts or opinions. Tho you invite them. Case in point this exact comment of yours, insinuating what you believe is bothering me even tho ive clearly stated otherwise several times.
Dear Syag,
You are correct. I am trying to be clear that this is my take on the incident, and not some narrative that I am trying to conform to an agenda. Also, that line was in jest.
It is a bit perplexing why my insistence that the facts are murky, is what gets you upset. Why does it not bother you when someone posts a single minded narrative that could only be known by a bystander?
PS You never even said what you saw that I contradicted. Being that I stated that the evidence is still inconclusive, there is no way that I could dispute your beliefs on the matter. If you have seen a third video please tell me about it
Dear Health,
Unions try to be impartial?!? Please tell me where you got such a far out liberal idea from.
2scents- well stated
nOmesorah -“Unions try to be impartial?!?”
Well this Union is waiting for an outcome from the PD or the Courts, before commenting.
Not like you Libs who Believe Guilty until Proven Innocent!
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