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How would co-op homeschooling be practical for Limudei Kodesh, considering the qualifications required and men available (i.e. not working) to teach?
gavra_at_work:
Who has the crystal ball to see whether “It’s expected that the child won’t work anyways”?
How will this child who society has raised it’s nose to and determined that they are “expected that they won’t work anyways” live when he grows up?
The hashkafic outlook you present is precisely what has gotten the Mosdos HaChinuch into the current financial mess to begin with. There are some major Jewish philanthrophists who will NEVER pay anything above what the school’s bills for tuition, to any Jewish school. The reason is because of the treatment their parents received at the hands of the tuition commitee members, and the “expectation, they will never succeed anyways” society ingrained into them.
There is a Din and a Dayan for those who use the faulty crystal ball approach you speak so highly about.
helpful- there are so many men who are available to teach- i.e. all the men in kollel. One avreich may be skilled in learning b’iyyun and another in b’kiyyus, etc. What better Talmud Torah is there than one where the father teaches his own son (or out of a group of fathers, some of the fathers teaching Torah to the group)? It’s a way for the ones who are currently seen as a ‘burden’ on the system to completely turn the tables. Every group will be vying to have a kollel join their co-op.
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I find it funny that people seem to think a Yeshiva education will “break the poverty cycle.”
This is only true if:
1) Jews did not have adequate access to public school education
2) Yeshivas did not bankrupt families
3) Yeshivas encouraged/supported College or Trade school
4) Yeshivas discouraged full time Kollel across the board
Otherwise, public school education is free and assuming one is in a decent school district, give you a good education to get to college.
Most people I know grew up middle class and Yeshiva is bankrupting them. In Bergen County, the average household income is just under $100,000. Are you telling me $100,000 isn’t enough to support a family? Well, if you are paying yeshiva education it is NOT.
We require Jewish families to be top earners across America. We better make sure their jobs reflect that.
A colleague of mine (Not Frum) said there’s one way to explain the issue- ENTITLEMENT.
(He wasn’t referring to the yeshiva tuition issue but I think it can be applied there as well.)
When he was growing up his parents, European refugees, where just grateful to have their lives and each other, everything else was an added luxury.
They lived in a small apartment in The Bronx with their kids. He told me of a time when his parents had to pick between a phone line and something else (I forgot what)- and they picked the other thing. Cars and vacations were out of the question.
Fast forward to the next generation. When his daughter wanted to go to college, she didn’t want to go to city college (free room and board at home as well as in-state-tuition), she was entitled to the “college experience” at $40,000 + per year. For one semester she wanted to study abroad- well, guess what? She was entitled to it.
What ever happened to having to earn something to be entitled to it? Why is it that people are entitled to everything these days just by being born?
I couldn’t answer his questions.
Dr. Pepper, part of it is about parents desire to give their kids the best. I want to be able to help my children start out life debt free (I did). I want them to enjoy summer camp (I did). I want them to enjoy a summer in Israel (I did).
But I don’t think my children are entitled to it.
My grandfather also said it best. “When I was young enough to eat an Ox, I couldn’t afford one. Now I can afford one, but can’t eat one.”
We all want to be able to have these things easily without working for them. I know I do. But I remind myself all the time that life is hard work and I can’t get the enjoyment if I don’t put in the time and effort. Even then I may not.
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