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April 14, 2024 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #2277110AviraDeArahParticipant
I don’t think a prolonged war in Iran will accomplish much. They might not be as willing to let their people die as Hamas, but Israel will not topple the regime within a few months and probably will not have the backing of the US if they decide to invade.
I think it comes down to either nuking the source of state sponsored terrorism once and for all, before they go nuclear and calling the bluffs of Russia (whose military is in bad shape due to its delusional war) and China, neither of which have tremendous gains from Iran and probably would rather have peace with the US than avenge a fair weather friend who they know would want to islamize them at some point if they had the chance. If Israel does this, other adversaries might actually be afraid to continue their support of terrorists, wisen up and absorb Palestinians, etc..
Or Israel should do nothing. Iran said it could end here, and nothing major happened from the missiles, B’Chasdei Hashem. While Iran “started it” by supporting Hamas and Hezbollah, did Israel expect them to not respond to the bombing of its embassy and the assassination of its general? Iran probably got the larger end of damage in that respect.
It’s either all in or nothing, in my view.
April 14, 2024 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #2277172YSL1234ParticipantIt was a “for show only” attack by iran. They obviously knew that they would not get enough through the layers of air defence to cause much damage.
Its not in Israel’s interests to escalate to a full on war with Iran at this point.
April 14, 2024 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #2277238Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantIt is good to ponder alternatives, but most of us here do not have enough information to decide what is a best tactical move. We should daven that the decision makers stay sane and dedicated to their tasks, and also see that they get our support of all kinds,
April 14, 2024 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #2277250LostsparkParticipantThe leadership of either side isn’t trying to win, they are trying to appease their own populaces with demonstrations of “force”.
Real victory requires sacrifices on the part of leadership, that is something this world doesn’t have anymore. They rather just throw a few pawns away so they can get promotions.
Anything to risk might G-d forbid have a negative impact on an officials career.
The news is all sensational nonsense.
April 14, 2024 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #2277252ujmParticipantAAQ: The “key decision makers” in the Israeli regime are well known for making terrible choices. Not particularly the current regime only, but virtually all past Israeli regimes as well.
April 14, 2024 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #2277288ujmParticipantKeep in mind that during the Gulf War, when Iraq’s Saddam Hussein was shooting scud missiles into Israel, Israel did not retaliate at all.
April 14, 2024 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #2277289mdd1ParticipantUjm, it is, obviously, only with siyatta di’Shmaya, but they managed to turn desert into a first-world country and defeat their enemies numerous times. Do not deny the facts.
April 14, 2024 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #2277299ujmParticipantmdd: The Romans managed to defeat us, destroy the Beis Hamokdash and build great bridges, roads and other infrastructure throughout their empire, making Rome the world power. Was that, too, siyata dishmaya on their part?
April 14, 2024 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #2277304Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantIn Gulf War, there was an American army fully engage and they had to divert some of the valuable resources to search for scuds that had no military value given their lack of precision – just to make sure that Israel would not retaliate, possibly damaging Arab coalition. Interesting thing that seems to be happening now that some Arabs were actually helping to shoot down the Persian missiles.
April 15, 2024 2:10 am at 2:10 am #2277324mdd1ParticipantUjm, certainly. It was gezeirah min ha’Shamaim that they should be the world power at that time.
April 15, 2024 2:10 am at 2:10 am #2277325mdd1ParticipantUjm, Yitzhak Avinu said:”Ve’hoya ka’asher torid” — the crown went to Eisav.
April 15, 2024 2:10 am at 2:10 am #2277329HaLeiViParticipantIt doesn’t make sense to actually what a war in the classical sense, to change the government. But to knock out their nuclear sites and other strategic elements does make sense.
Usually, a war is fought until a there’s a treaty or a surrender. In the case of Iran it’s hard to picture either. But they do seem to actually be pretty behind Israel, and a good setback can put them in place.
Also, I don’t know the situation in Iran. It is quite likely that s regime change is easier than is appears.
That being said, I doubt this situation is meant to fully resolve before Moshiach.
April 15, 2024 3:24 am at 3:24 am #2277343ParticipantParticipantif it was just the one incident, I agree Israel should not retaliate.
However, iran should have been, and probably should be, a target after Israel wipes out Hamas (HAHAHAHAHA), and Hizbollah [even funnier]. Then, to wrap things up, they should have given a few warning strikes on iran, especially their nuclear plants.
of course, israel long lost the chance to appear strong. -
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