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July 3, 2024 9:26 am at 9:26 am #2294378ujmParticipant
There’s an article today with the title of this thread’s subject. It states that Israel’s military leadership wants a cease-fire with Hamas in case a bigger war breaks out in Lebanon, even if it keeps Hamas in power. And that a truce would be the swiftest way to free hostages.
It states that the IDF is underequipped for further fighting after Israel’s longest war in decades, and the generals also think their forces need time to recuperate in case a land war breaks out against Hezbollah.
“The military is in full support of a hostage deal and a cease-fire,” said Eyal Hulata, who served as Israel’s national security adviser until early last year. “They believe that they can always go back and engage Hamas militarily in the future,” Mr. Hulata said. “They understand that a pause in Gaza makes de-escalation more likely in Lebanon. And they have less munitions, less spare parts, less energy than they did before — so they also think a pause in Gaza gives us more time to prepare in case a bigger war does break out with Hezbollah.”
Until recently, the military publicly maintained that it was possible to simultaneously achieve the government’s two main war goals: defeating Hamas and rescuing the hostages captured by Hamas and its allies during the Oct. 7 attack on Israel. Now, the military high command has concluded that the two goals are mutually incompatible, several months after generals began having doubts. Just under half of the 250 hostages taken to Gaza in October remain in captivity, and the high command fears that further military action to free them may run the risk of killing the others.
The military fears a “forever war” in which its energies and ammunition are gradually eroded even as the hostages remain captive and Hamas leaders are still at large. In the face of that scenario, keeping Hamas in power for now in exchange for getting the hostages back seems like the least worst option for Israel, said Mr. Hulata. Four senior officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity agreed.
“Those who think we could make Hamas disappear are wrong,” Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the military’s chief spokesman, said in a television interview on June 19. He said: “Hamas is an idea. Hamas is a political party. It is rooted in people’s hearts.” To suggest otherwise, Admiral Hagari said in a veiled criticism of Mr. Netanyahu, was to “throw sand in the eyes of the public.”
Nearly nine months into a war that Israel did not plan for, its army is short of spare parts, munitions, motivation and even troops, the officials said. At least some tanks in Gaza are not loaded with the full capacity of the shells that they usually carry, as the military tries to conserve its stocks in case a bigger war with Hezbollah does break out, according to two officers. Five officials and officers confirmed that the army was running low on shells. The army also lacks spare parts for its tanks, military bulldozers and armored vehicles, according to several of those officials.
July 3, 2024 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #2294691☕️coffee addictParticipantWhat I’ve found about news articles are they are rarely true
July 3, 2024 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #2294635akupermaParticipantThe threat of war on the north is more serious. Unlike Hamas, Hezbollah never had restrictions on arming itself (thanks to the cooperation from the Lebanese government and the Iranians), and Iran may become directly involved (and already has substantial troops in the area). Gaza is a relative sideshow, and perhaps a mere diversionary tactic. The possibility of at attack from Hezbollah, assisted by Syria and Iran, is existential for Israel, Gaza is an annoying mosquito bite.
One should remember that the United States is not geared up for a full scale war, and both presidential candidates are somewhat anti-war, and more importantly, Russia and China and control of Europe and East Asia, are much more important to the USA than the Middle East (and unlike 1973, the US is a major oil exporter, so a disruption of Middle Eastern oil make North American oil more valuable and more profitable).
July 4, 2024 8:52 am at 8:52 am #2294757lakewhutParticipantAre you happy?
July 17, 2024 10:23 am at 10:23 am #2297724ujmParticipantLooks like YWN caught up with the news… and is today reporting as news what the OP above pointed out two weeks ago:
CONCERNING: IDF Says It’s Running Low On Battle-Ready Tanks And Ammunition
August 5, 2024 4:02 am at 4:02 am #2302575ujmParticipantThe Wall Street Journal has an article today entitled “‘Everything Is Collapsing’: Israeli Reservists Confront Toll of Protracted War”.
The subtitle is “As Gaza conflict drags on, reservists are exhausted, constraining Israel’s options as it weighs war with Hezbollah.”
August 5, 2024 12:02 pm at 12:02 pm #2302724Yserbius123ParticipantYou know who else wants a truce? I want a truce. You probably want a truce. The only people who don’t want a truce are those terrorists who would rather die murdering people than see Israel continue to exist and those unfortunate Yidden who are fooled into believing that there is some sort of mitzvah to kill all the arabs and move into Gaza.
Do you know what I want even more than a truce? A guarantee that Palestinian terrorists will never harm innocent people ever again.
August 6, 2024 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #2303292Sam KleinParticipantI’m very shocked at what you want. I thought you and millions of other yidden WANTED MASHIACH but that was not what you wrote that you want. Look back at your post above that I’m replying back to you. And this is one of the biggest reasons why Mashiach is not here yet, cause we’re missing the most important part of bringing Mashiach, were missing the “TZIPISA LEYESHUA” we’re missing the YEARNING for Mashiach to come already bkarov and the tzaros in klal yisroel to come to a complete stop.
Tisha B’av is coming up when klal yisroel shows Hashem the YEARNING for Mashiach instead of all looking at our clocks for chatzos so we can go back to sitting on a chair from the floor. If we we’re really YEARNING for Mashiach then each person would say forget about the chair, I’ll fast a complete extra day not from chatzos but from when Tisha B’av ends tonight all I do is I beg Hashem to bring Mashiach already bkarov.
BUT SADLY WE KNOW THE TRUTH IS THAT WE’RE NOT HOLDING THERE. Were so happy in today’s generation of technology and running after all our gashmius etc…..
How fast would YOU jump on a plane to Israel if you heard that Mashiach has arrived???? Cause Hashem has Mashiach waiting on his horse on a silver platter ready to send him as soon as we do our hishtadlus and show our loving father Hashem the YEARNING for Mashiach.May we all start immediately so this Tisha B’av can be a yom tov of happiness in Jerusalem.
August 6, 2024 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #2303494Yserbius123Participant@sam-klein Amen! B’m’heira v’yameinu!
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