Israel Beginning of Redemtion Letter

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    proudzhid
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    Has anyone heard about a letter signed by the Gedoli Yisrael soon after the foundation of the State of Israel that asserted that the state itself is the beginning of the redemption? If so, is this letter authentic?

    #968763
    HaKatan
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    I believe I heard there was such a forgery.

    Both Chazon Ish and Brisker Rav, who were there, stated that the State was a bad “gzeira”. Others held similarly.

    #968764
    Sam2
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    The letter is authentic. As was the letter about saying Hallel on Yom Ha’atzma’ut in 1949. It was signed by people like R’ Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, R’ Elyashiv, R’ Kahaneman, and others. I think I once saw a reproduction of it on the internet but I don’t remember where.

    #968765
    Sam2
    Participant

    Now, that is not to say that it was unanimous. The Brisker and Satmar Rovs most famously, along with many others, were opposed to the state before, during, and after its inception. But there were many who felt that the state was a good thing when it first happened.

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    dovran
    Member

    There was a famous zionist forgery of a letter with signatures of many rabbis who never signed it.

    #968767
    Chacham
    Participant

    I think the seforim blog once was maarich that it is forged.

    #968768
    mdd
    Member

    There was a letter, but not everybody held like that. The fanatical anti-Zionists (HaKatan, the multi-headed dragon of Josef etc.) will attempt to claim there was none. Don’t believe them!

    #968769
    mdd
    Member

    OP, you see what you did? Joe is going out of his keilim.

    #968770
    Chacham
    Participant

    The post on the Seforim Blog is called “Kalir, False Accusations, and More

    by Marc B. Shapiro” in middle of number 2 he mentions the letter.

    #968771
    benignuman
    Participant

    There really was a letter, but the key language -that the state is “reishis tzemichas geulosainu”- is believed to have been added after many of the Gedolim had already signed.

    #968772
    Sam2
    Participant

    Chacham: I’m shocked that you read the Seforim Blog (though there is a lot of great stuff on there; Menachem Butler is an absolute genius). But that is a good thing to see. Interesting. I’ve seen the letter so many places and never heard anyone say it wasn’t legit. It was about the elections and not Hallel though. I did forget that part.

    #968773
    dovran
    Member

    Whether it is to say Hallel or it is to vote in Elections is a humongous difference.

    The fact they felt a need to forge what the letter said and edit it, speaks volumes to their realization that they lacked support in their position.

    #968774
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    The whole state is a forgery. It doesn’t really exist.

    Let me ask you this: If a jewish state existed, do you really think there would be only one knesset?

    #968775
    HaKatan
    Participant

    mdd, as I wrote, I believe there was a letter, but there were a number of “irregularities” that invalidate it.

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