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  • #2301345
    SQUARE_ROOT
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    CommonSaychel said: “Who is Daniel Greenfield?”

    MY RESPONSE:

    Daniel Greenfield is a person whose many writings prove him
    to be a very knowledgeable and highly intelligent person:

    “Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the
    David Horowitz Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist
    and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamic terrorism.”

    In contrast, many of CommonSaychel’s comments just mock people.
    In Mussar books, this constant mockery in known as laitzanus,
    and a person who does this often is called a letz or mocker.

    Laitzanus is just as bad as Nivul Peh or Lashon HaRa.

    #2301360
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    This recent short article is from www (dot) matzav (dot) com:

    Elon Musk attacked Kamala Harris as an “extinctionist” in a particularly sharp X post.

    The billionaire was commenting on another post penned by Donald Trump’s running mate,
    Senator J.D. Vance (R-OH), in which he attacked Kamala Harris for saying that
    the threat of climate change has played a part in many people’s decisions
    to have kids — among a number of other major life decisions.

    “It’s almost like these people don’t want young people starting families or something.
    Really weird stuff,” Vance wrote.

    Musk took Vance’s criticism to another level, arguing that Harris’ acknowledgement
    of so-called “climate anxiety” among young people meant
    she was advocating for the “de facto holocaust for all of humanity.”

    SOURCE: article titled: “Elon Musk Calls Kamala Harris an ‘Extinctionist’ in X Post”
    2024 July 29 www (dot) matzav (dot) com

    NOTE: X was formerly known as Twitter.

    #2301364

    > Jill was married to someone else when Biden started living with her.

    Is she also catholic, by the way?

    #2301625
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    This recent article was written by Dr. Joseph Frager MD:

    President Joe Biden is missed already. As bad as he was,
    Vice President Kamala Harris is a hundred times worse.
    One of her first official acts as nominee for president
    was to make sure not to attend Israeli Prime Minister
    Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech to Congress,
    even though she is the President of the Senate
    and it is more than just customary for her to do so.

    House Speaker Mike Johnson said,
    “It is outrageous to me and inexcusable that …
    Kamala Harris is boycotting Prime Minister Netanyahu’s speech.”

    Would Harris have declined to attend Winston Churchill’s
    speech to Congress on December 26, 1941?

    Israel is America’s only real and reliable ally in the Middle East.
    It was brutally and savagely attacked on October 7 [2023].

    It has been and continues to be bombarded by missiles from Hezbollah.
    Twelve children were just killed in their latest bombing.
    Iran attacked Israel with hundreds of missiles, drones and UAVs on April 13 [2024].

    Israelis are deeply concerned that their very existence is at stake.
    Britain felt the same way during World War II.
    As Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in his address,
    Biden visited Israel soon after Oct. 7 to lend support because
    he was aware of the gravity of the situation. It was a war against evil.

    Winston Churchill devoted most of his speech to Congress
    to ultimate victory over the Axis powers.
    He quipped about his American-born mother,
    “I cannot help reflecting that if my father had been American
    and my mother British, instead of the other way round,
    I might have got here on my own.
    In that case, this would not have been
    the first time you would have heard my voice.”

    He went on to say, “We both of us have much to learn
    in the cruel art of war. We have therefore,
    without doubt, a time of tribulation before us.”

    Churchill was warmly received on both sides of the aisle.
    He understood war and its consequences.
    No one tiptoed around the evil that the Axis powers
    had unleashed. No one, including the “isolationists”
    who opposed U.S. involvement in the war, boycotted the event.

    Ironically, Netanyahu has addressed Congress four times
    while Churchill did so only three times. Although Harris
    might think that the situations are different, this is not an excuse.
    Israel is facing a multi-front war and is preventing
    that war from spreading to U.S. shores.

    Harris has already encouraged campus protests against Israel
    by stating that “They are showing exactly what
    the human emotion should be, as a response to Gaza.”

    Her quick call for a ceasefire as early as March only hardened
    the hearts of Hamas, prolonging the war. Harris’s moral equivalence
    on the conflict will only make a hostage deal even more difficult.

    As one Israeli official said after Netanyahu and Harris met,
    “When our enemies see the U.S. and Israel are aligned
    it increases the chances for a hostage deal and decreases
    the chances for a regional escalation. When there is such daylight
    it pushes the deal further away and brings a regional escalation closer.”

    Thus, Harris has only made the situation worse.

    SOURCE: article titled: “Kamala Harris is no Joe Biden”
    by Dr. Joseph Frager MD 2024 July 28 www (dot) JNS (dot) org

    #2302279
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Robert Spencer of Frontpage Magazine said:

    The media isn’t going to tell you this. The Hamas-linked Council
    on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) describes itself as
    “America’s largest Muslim civil liberties organization.”

    In that guise, and as it has championed numerous far-left causes,
    it has become a respected member of the leftist establishment,
    with numerous ignorant and self-serving politicians lavishing
    praise on this unsavory gang in hopes of gaining Muslim votes.

    Among them has been, not surprisingly, Kamala Harris.

    This has been known for years, but no one has cared.
    Back in October 2020, the Washington Free Beacon reported that
    “as California’s attorney general and then as U.S. senator,
    Harris forged a relationship with the Council on American-Islamic
    Relations (CAIR), one of the nation’s top anti-Israel groups
    and advocates for boycotts of the Jewish state.”

    After the Hamas massacres of October 7, 2023, this matters more than ever.

    CAIR, the Free Beacon added, “advised [Kamala] Harris on
    community issues during her time in California politics,
    and she later offered the group her ‘gratitude and admiration’
    in a 2018 personal letter to the group.”
    Specifically, “Hussam Ayloush, executive director of CAIR’s
    Los Angeles office, praised Harris in 2015 for including
    the group in an interfaith meeting with law enforcement officials.

    [Kamala] Harris, he said, ‘exemplified leadership’ by
    vowing to tackle Islamophobia at a time when
    the state’s Jewish institutions were facing threats.”

    That was bad enough, since “Islamophobia” is a propaganda
    weapon designed to intimidate people that it is wrong —
    somehow “bigoted” — to oppose jihad violence
    and Sharia oppression of women.

    Even worse, long before he praised Kamala Harris,
    Hussam Ayloush has repeatedly refused to denounce
    Hamas and Hizballah [Hezbollah] as terrorist groups.

    In 2017, with Donald Trump in the White House,
    Ayloush called for the overthrow of the U.S. government.

    Yet the following year, [Kamala] Harris wrote to CAIR:
    “Please accept my gratitude and admiration
    for your tireless work to promote peace,
    justice, and mutual understanding.”

    Even that was not all. “As California’s top cop,” the Free Beacon noted,
    “Harris partnered with local CAIR officials and relied on them
    to advise her about community matters. In 2015, for instance,
    [Kamala] Harris hosted CAIR for an interfaith community event
    following a deadly terrorist attack in San Bernardino.
    In 2016, as Harris ran for the Senate, CAIR’s
    political action committee donated $1,750 to boost her campaign.”

    That may not be much in the larger scheme of things,
    but imagine the outcry if Donald Trump had taken a small fraction
    of that amount from a group linked to the Ku Klux Klan.

    Harris’ ties to CAIR take on a new urgency now that she is
    a presidential candidate, and now that this self-proclaimed
    “civil rights organization” is more forthright
    than it used to be about where it really stands:

    CAIR’s cofounder and longtime executive director Nihad Awad
    infamously said that he was “happy” about Hamas’
    October 7 [2023] jihad massacre of 1,200 Israelis.

    In April 2024, Awad eulogized a Muslim Brotherhood cleric,
    Sheikh Abdul-Majid al-Zindani, who had ties to al-Qaeda as well as Hamas:

    “The Islamic nation has lost one of its biggest emblems and men
    with the passing of Sheikh Alam and worker Abdul Majeed Al-Zindani
    after he dedicated his life to the service of the Quran
    and the manifestation of its miracles that never cease.
    He remained tall and firm in the face of challenges, tribulations,
    pressure, and rankings until he met the Almighty Allah.
    Our condolences to his family, Yemen, and our nation.
    We ask Allah, the Merciful, the Merciful and the Forgiving,
    to have mercy on him, forgive him and reward him with the best of rewards.”

    Al-Zindani was on the UN Security Council’s list of specially designated terrorists.

    If Trump had similar ties to any of the groups that the leftist establishment
    claims are made up of “right-wing extremists,” including a group that
    opposes CAIR and jihad terror and got added to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s
    “hate group” list for doing so, the media outcry would be shrill and intense.

    Trump would be hounded everywhere
    until he disavowed the group and returned its donation.

    No one, however, is asking Harris about CAIR.
    That’s because Harris, CAIR, and the media are all part of the same leftist establishment.

    Surely you don’t expect them to police themselves, do you?

    Politicians can associate freely with groups that are on
    the left’s approved list, and be secure in
    the knowledge that there will be no accountability.

    Responsibility to the American people?
    Come on, man! This ain’t 1776 anymore!

    SOURCE: article titled: “Kamala’s ties to a far-left,
    Hamas-linked Islamic group” by Robert Spencer
    of Frontpage Magazine, 2024 August 1,
    found in: The Jewish Voice, www (dot) TJVnews (dot) com

    #2302393
    Dr. Pepper
    Participant

    @Always_Ask_Questions

    I’m not sure what difference it makes.

    #2302404

    Dr Pepper, Catholics do not believe in divorce

    #2302477
    Dr. Pepper
    Participant

    @Always_Ask_Questions

    I’m familiar with that. She ultimately got divorced anyway- didn’t she?

    My point was that some posters had an issue with President Trumps immoral behavior with unmarried women while purposely ignoring Joe’s immoral behavior with a married woman.

    #2302497
    ujm
    Participant

    The New York Times has a story today entitled: “Can Kamala Harris win back Arab American voters? The door may be cracked open”.

    #2302534

    > win back Arab American voters

    There are also articles discussing whether Gov Shapiro is a problem because he is so pro-Israel or because he is stam Jewish … This D party left Joe Liberman way behind.

    #2302564
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    Jill Stevenson was separated from her husband for over a year when she met Joe Biden. They hadn’t formalized the divorce yet, so she was only technically married, but still very much single.

    Trump, on the other hand, has always been a massive philanderer and has openly cheated on all three of his wives.

    #2302725
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Yserbius,

    Like Mr emhoff with the cleaning lady?

    #2302729
    ujm
    Participant

    Josh Shapiro, who is auditioning in trying to get Kamala to pick him for her running mate, has apologized for having been pro-Israel in the past. A few days ago he apologized for his pro-Israel op-ed written while he was in college, saying he “was only 20” years old then and doesn’t hold those pro-Israel views today, anymore.

    #2302730
    ujm
    Participant

    Yseribus: There’s no such thing as “only technically married”. Either one is married or one is unmarried. A married person who is separated is still married and just as prohibited from engaging in adultery as any other married person who isn’t separated.

    #2302737
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    for Yserbius123:

    What matters is Donald Trump’s pro-Israel and pro-Jewish policies.
    His personal life is not relevant, or is much-less relevant.

    It is better to vote for a candidate with pro-Israel and pro-Jewish policies,
    even if he is a massive philanderer, than it is to vote for a candidate with
    anti-Israel and anti-Jewish policies, even if he was never a philanderer.

    In other words, the policies of the candidates are much more important
    than their personal lives, especially their polices towards Israel and Jews.

    I am AMAZED by the large numbers of people who
    do not understand this very simple and very important idea.

    If you are smart enough to get through 12 years of yeshivah,
    then you should be smart enough to understand this concept.

    ===========================================

    for Always_Ask_Questions:

    The Catholic Church has traditionally opposed divorce.
    However, millions of individual Catholics want divorce.
    In other words, millions of Catholics disagree with their church.

    #2302806
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @coffee-addict Is anyone voting for Doug Emhoff? Did lie and misuse funds to pay off that cleaning lady? Did he divorce his wife for that cleaning lady and is now parading her around?


    @ujm
    Now you’re just picking at nothing. Do you prevent divorced women from dating a year later if they haven’t received their get yet?


    @SQUARE_ROOT
    I would agree, however I think that both politicians stance’s on Israel are similar and the differences are exaggerated by the media. Neither wants to anger their pro-Israel voter base, nor get directly involved in the war. So both will continue to talk and talk while doing the exact same thing.

    #2302861
    ujm
    Participant

    Yseribus: Absolutely, positively, yes. A woman who hasn’t received a Get isn’t “divorced”. She is an eishes ish and married as much as your wife is married. And she most certainly is prohibited from dating.

    #2302875
    Dr. Pepper
    Participant

    @Yserbius123

    Where are you getting this information from? In the article that I read Jill’s ex claimed that Joe starting getting close to Jill (and a little too close according to some acquaintances) two years earlier than Jill claims.

    Although this article was clearly biased against Biden as it mentions how he and his brother threatened the ex to let Jill have the entire house or they’re going to send the DOJ after him (which they ultimately ended up doing) so I don’t know which is accurate one way or the other.

    You may also want to read up about how Biden destroyed the life of the truck driver after his late wife accidentally drive into his path. Biden claimed that he was drinking- which was a lie. She ran a stop sign and he didn’t.

    By the way- President Trumps moral behavior isn’t in question so I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up. The issue is with people who say that they’re not voting for President Trump because of his immortality but would have voted for Biden if he wasn’t forced out.

    #2303010
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Dr-Pepper Look, I’m not a debater and I don’t know all the “rules”. But I’m pretty sure that if your sources is “this article I read somewhere” that is contradictory to literally everything else you can find online, the onus is on you to provide said article and a really good reason to believe it over everything else.

    Again, you cannot compare Bidens alleged indiscretions, lying, cheating, and stealing to Trump’s lifetime of immorality. They aren’t just on different madreigas, they are in completely different ballparks.

    #2303011
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @ujm I want you to ask the three Rebbis and Rabbonim you are closest with the following question. If a woman has been separated for a year and has a get, but not yet a legal divorce. May she go out on a shidduch date or not?

    #2303158
    ujm
    Participant

    Harris rejected Shapiro since, even though he isn’t particularly pro-Israel, he’s Jewish and the Arab/Muslim demographic of the Democrat Party (Michigan, etc.) didn’t want any Jew.

    #2303234
    ujm
    Participant

    Yseribus: All three will say yes. A secular divorce has no significant meaning in Judaism and Halacha. A couple can live a fully kosher married life until 120 without ever having obtained a secular marriage.

    Also, your comment “has been separated for a year and has a get” is redundant. If a Get was given, it is halachicly obligatory to be separated.

    #2303269
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Pepper. If Trump has such a brilliant iq. why can’t he differentiate between right and wrong? A smart person must see the consequences of one’s actions.

    #2303301
    Dr. Pepper
    Participant

    @Yserbius123

    Thankfully I’m not either a debater- I’d go out of my mind if on a regular basis I had to deal with people like you (who lie, purposely miss the point, ignore things that they don’t want to answer and try to make the person they’re conversing with look bad when they have nothing left so say).

    I asked you where you got your information from and you refused to answer that but then you criticize me for not stating my source. I purposely didn’t state my source as I mentioned that it was biased against Biden. If you really wanted to know you could have done a Google Search and found it in less than five seconds. (But anyway- check out the article titled “Jill Biden’s ex-husband accuses her of affair with Joe in 1970s” from the New York Post.) Of course, that article is going to be contrary to most other sources on the Internet because Jill has a louder voice online and someone like you who is biased against President Trump isn’t going to look for the other side of the story.

    Now you’re purposely missing the point again. I’m not discussing President Trumps morality or credibility, what I’m saying is that Biden has said some really bad lies (I listed some in the “End of MAGA” thread that you conveniently ignored) and done some really immoral stuff (like showering with his teenage daughter per her diary). Anyone who claims that they’re not voting for President Trump because of his credibility or morality but was planning on voting for Biden before he was forced out is seriously disturbed (regardless of whether their lies can be classified as in the same ballpark or not).

    You mentioned in the “End of MAGA” thread that you would like to respond to the accusations so I pointed out the thread where you consistently lied. Do you plan on responding?

    #2303340
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    Shapiro was thrown under the bus to appease the blood lush of the far left, need we say more?

    #2303369
    Dr. Pepper
    Participant

    @ Reb Eliezer

    Before finding faults in others look at yourself.

    You consider yourself intelligent yet you still vote Democrat. Obviously just because someone is smart (or thinks they’re smart) doesn’t mean that they never do the wrong thing.

    If you’re that smart why don’t you see that the consequences of voting Democrat are more wars, higher gas prices, higher food prices, unsecured borders, increased fentanyl deaths, rampant immorality, increased antisemitism, funding for our adversaries…?

    #2303370
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    “Pepper. If Trump has such a brilliant iq. why can’t he differentiate between right and wrong? A smart person must see the consequences of one’s actions.“

    Eliezer, that is the stupidest thing I’ve seen you write

    Are all geniuses tzaddikim?

    #2303381
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    It is good for us not to pick a Jew.

    #2303414

    > but not yet a legal divorce. May she go out on a shidduch date or not?

    RebbeGPT answered that yes, but she needs to disclose it by the third date. Unless your minhag is to do a vort after two dates. In this case, it is unclear whether you should be using kallah married name in the invitations. Ask your ruv.

    #2303417

    Shapiro was not thrown under the bus, he got off the bus before it went off the cliff. I am happy for him and all Yidden that he is not put into the position of campaigning in front of the Michigan Ummah.

    I wonder how Dr Jill feels though: Kamala threw Biden under the bus at first opportunity in 2019 – and now knived him in the back on his way out. Possibly Bidens will come out and endorse Trump before the elections.

    #2303440

    RebE > brilliant iq. why can’t he differentiate between right and wrong? A smart person must see the consequences of one’s actions.

    Bilaam, Trotsky, Clinton all had passable IQs, but failed (each in a different way). Cut some of them some slack – they did not learn Tanya that intellect should control emotions.

    #2303489
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Dr-Pepper You’re coming across extremely aggressive. I hope you’re not like this in real life, because the tone of your comment sounds like something that would get you a stern talking to if you were in shidduchim.

    Anyways, I’ll address everything. My sources for how and when Joe and Jill met is mainly an oft-cited July 17th 1977 article in the Wilmington Morning News where they talk about how they met and have on numerous occasions corroborated the story. You can also look for an article in “The Review” titled “Behind the Stone Balloon” and a Vogue article called “All the Vice-Presidents Women”. As far as I can tell, the only source that Jill and Joe dated before her separation from Bill Stevenson is Stevenson himself. A secret he kept quiet about (including in divorce proceedings) until he wrote it in a book he published a few years ago.

    So on one hand we have multiple contemporary reports, articles, statements from parties involved, and statements from people uninvolved. On the other hand, we have the questionable statements of a disgruntled ex-husband that you admit is very biased.

    Now morality isn’t a zero-sum game, nor is it a contest. But if it were, Biden would win hands down. I mean, I repeat myself, but you’re basically comparing the standard immorality of the standard politician to someone who is literally off the charts in terms of immorality, gaivah, lying, cheating, and stealing.

    I’m not saying to vote for Biden or Harris (I sure don’t want to!) but all this fawning over Trump as if he’s the goyishe Moshiach is ridiculous and frankly embarrassing.

    Look, I don’t have an instant recall of every CR thread I commented in and I’m not even sure I even saw the comment where you listed my lies. So I honestly don’t know how to respond to all of that.

    #2303491
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Always_Ask_Question I am so glad that we have the weighted random outputs of a large language model to tell us how to live our lives instead of those pesky Rabbonim.

    #2303678
    Dr. Pepper
    Participant

    @Yserbius123

    In real life I try to be the nicest person as I’m very מקפיד on בן אדם לחברו but I’m more concerned with בן אדם למקום hence why you may think that I’m aggressive when it comes to defending השם (on a website geared to Frum people no less). Luckily I barely have to deal with people claiming to be Frum but with leftist views. On the rare occasion I pretend to be clueless while engaging the offender in what they think is small talk until they come to the realization that their views are contradictory. Some admit that they never looked at it from the other side while some just dig themselves deeper and deeper.

    It’s funny that you mention Shidduchum as I’m a survivor of Shadchan abuse and tried everything that I could think of to get them to leave me alone. Unfortunately telling them off, hanging up on them and just not answering the phone didn’t work as they’d send my friends after me. Coming from a family of חסד my mother invited over her friends who had daughters in shidduchim but couldn’t get the shadchanim to answer the phone or return their call. (This was before the days of cellphones but people were starting to get Caller ID.) It was hilarious how they’d pick up on the first ring when they saw the number on the Caller ID- and then come up with a lame excuse why they didn’t have time and promise to call back but never did.

    Anyway- back to the topic. Let’s assume that in 1972 Joe and his late wife were at the Stone Balloon and Joe saw Jill, sniffed her hair and decided that he liked the way it smells. He introduces himself as a Senator and the ever so power hungry Jill thinks this may be her opportunity to eventually become the wife of a Senator and the two start an affair. Not too far fetched yet.

    Eventually Jill’s ex learns of the affair, the marriage breaks down and Joe finds himself a widower. If he’s still trying to build his political career and she’s vying for more power do you really think they’re going to be honest with the Wilmington Morning News as to how they met or concoct a more innocent story?

    Do you honestly think that Jill’s ex would want it publicized that his wife ran off with a hair sniffing perverted senator? Do you think that he’d have the same kind of press time that she did? Do you think that maybe he was afraid of Joe and his brother after they weaponized the DOJ against him?

    Hopefully by now you understand why I’m a bit skeptical about your sources. (Not that the NY Post article should be taken as 100% factual either.)

    I still don’t agree with you that President Trump is a bigger liar and cheater than Biden. If presidents were chosen by their moral behavior we could discuss that. Given the crisis going on in the country and entire world, presidents should be chosen by policy and reputation above anything else.

    Which president had no wars starting under their command? Which president brought down the price of gas? Which president caused inflation to sky rocket? Which president opened the borders to illegal immigrants? Which president is compromised by China? And the list goes on and on.

    Now it’s sickening that people claiming to be Frum can disregard all that, while over 100 of our brothers and sisters are still being held hostage, and claim that they can’t vote for President Trump because he’s immoral but would have voted for Biden despite his immoral behavior.

    Claiming that President Trump is משיח is pushing it a little too far but the recent events are going to make it pretty hard for anyone to justify to השם in the next world why they voted Democrat.

    I understand if you don’t have an instant recall to every thread you commented in so that’s why I pointed you to the politicizing tragedies thread (from mid 2022). In that thread you accused me of quoting the NRA (an association that I abhor) near- verbatim in an effort to discredit me. I gave you numerous instances to show me the quote or retract what you wrote. When you refused to I felt that you lost your חזרת כשרות and that was one of the reasons why I stopped responding to your posts.

    #2303752
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Dr-Pepper Just a quick reminder. You are defending Donald Trump, not the Ribono Shel Oilam in this comment thread.

    You are again relying entirely on something the very unreliable and biased Bill Stevenson wrote about 35 years after his marriage ended that contradicts with everything everyone else said on the subject. Then you are saying that Stevenson is somehow more reliable than everyone else.

    Looking at the classified documents case alone should be enough to know the differences between Trump and Biden. Trump spent all of 2015 ranting and railing about how Hilary Clinton should go to jail for keeping a classified computer system in her house. Then he goes and intentionally stores 10x more documents in boxes scattered around the place where any cleaning crew could just pick up and read. Then goes on and on about how he can legally do that because he was once president. Contrast that with Biden who had I think it was four or five single pieces of paper buried in hundreds of other papers in his filing cabinet. An offense, sure, but clearly an accident.

    Frankly, Trump has done a lot of good but his abrasive personality, addiction to lying and hypocrisy, pritzus, scandals, alienation of people around him, and general insane rhetoric, makes me not want to vote for him. I don’t want to vote for a Democrat, but saying things like “justify to השם in the next world why they voted Democrat” sounds like those Xtian cow farmers from Alabama who are calling him Yoshke reborn.

    Can you link to the thread? I have a vague recollection of arguing with someone on gun control where they used the same old tired NRA talking points. But I don’t want to discuss it unless I see it in front of me.

    #2303819

    I have a problem with Trump critics. If someone were to present a reasonable view of T and argue against him, I’m happy to listen. But both media (predictably) and some posters here (unfortunately) present a one-sided grotesque picture ignoring or denying pretty basic things T achieved. This is obviously not going to convince anyone here and the only reason it is being posted is probably a free substitute for therapy, that is evidently not working.

    #2304074
    Dr. Pepper
    Participant

    @Yserbius123

    There you go again- lying and purposely misrepresenting what I said to discredit me. I’ve stated a number of times that I’m not voting for Donald Trump per se, rather I’m voting against the Democratic Party and all they stand for. Pointing out the hypocrisy of you and the other leftists, libs and laszlos on this site (by showing that Biden’s actions are worse than President Trump) in no way defends President Trump’s actions.

    I’m relying entirely on something? I specifically wrote “Let’s assume”. Why are you purposely ignoring that? When did I ever say that Bill is more reliable than anyone else? I proposed a realistic scenario to try to get you to look at it from a different angle. Why do you have a hard time believing that something that Biden said isn’t true? I also made sure to end off the topic that I’m “skeptical”, not that I know for sure one way or the other. I also made sure to mention that that the NY Post article shouldn’t be taken as 100% factual either. Your purposely ignoring that speaks volumes about your credibility.

    It contradicts with everything everyone else said on the subject? Did everyone else get their information from the same unreliable person (i.e. Joe Biden)? Why does it make it more believable when millions of people repeat something they heard from a notorious liar? He lied about how many grandkids he had (something the entire world knew he was lying about) to cover up his son’s affair, why do you find it so hard to believe that he would lie to cover up his own affair?

    Where are you getting from that President Trump had documents scattered all around? I thought they were locked in a vault? There’s no comparison to President Trump having lots of boxes secured in a vault on a secure property to Hillary having secret information on a server that may have been hacked. And she purposely destroyed the evidence so no one will know.

    Unless you start being honest, I’m most probably done communicating with you again.

    You claim to be a glorified computer programmer so I’m not sure why you’re having such a hard time finding the thread when I told you the name (politicizing tragedies) and approximate date (mid 2022) but I looked it up for you. It’s here: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/politizing-tradegies

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    Yserbius,

    Clinton (along with Biden when he took his documents) were never president

    Additionally Clinton intentionally deleted them (as opposed to trump who probably didn’t think he was doing anything wrong if he did he would have “gotten rid of them”, remember the allegations that trump was flushing documents down the drain?)

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    Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz of matzav (dot) com said:

    “The media is in full throttle for Kamala Harris,
    and the fact that she is an extreme liberal with
    near-socialist leanings has been buried as the
    propaganda campaign for her election bears fruit.

    Americans are confused and apparently easily influenced
    to support a candidate who is not in their best interest.

    It is often stated at election time that the future of the
    country is at stake, and this time it seems truer than ever.”

    SOURCE: article titled: When Will It End?
    by Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz 2024 August 8 matzav (dot) com

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    @Dr-Pepper There goes that pointless aggression again. Just shouting “Liar Liar!” over and over again. Look, I’m willing to have an honest discussion, I really am. But I am not willing to engage with someone who uses schoolyard taunts when correcting me. Especially on such silly minutiae. Like, you made it abundantly clear that you’re voting for Trump, and when I mention that you’re all “Nuh uh! Pants on fire! Shakran! I am voting AGAINST DEMOCRATS!” I mean, seriously?


    @coffee-addict
    Don’t get me wrong, I think Clinton should have been arrested and charged for willfully storing classified documents in a location that doesn’t conform to SCIF standards, then deleting them when the FBI came a knocking. But I think what Trump did was so much worse. Not only the fact that his stuff wasn’t even locked or password protected, but the sheer hypocrisy of chanting “Lock her up! Lock her up!” then doing nearly the exact same thing.

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    @yserbius123

    If you keep lying you going to be perpetually called a liar. 🤥

    You’re willing to have an honest conversation? No you’re not, you’re lying 🤥 again!

    Before I categorized you as a liar I gave you a few chances to correct yourself. I pointed out instances where you’ve lied and purposely misquoted me (in a fruitless attempt to discredit me) but you never explained or corrected yourself. I even linked the original thread as you supposedly couldn’t find it even though I told you the name and approximate date and you still haven’t responded to those accusations.

    If someone were to ask me who I’m voting for the simple answer I will give is that I’m voting for President Trump. If they get into more detailed questions I will explain that it’s more that I’m voting against the Democrats and all that they stand for. I believe that I’ve always been clear on that.

    Anyway- this discussion is reminiscent of the other one where I gave up on responding to you so unless you own up to your lies and do תשובה I’m done responding to your posts.

    As some parting words of advice- if you can only stand up for your political party by lying and trying to discredit someone who points out your lies- maybe it’s time to rethink your political views.

    If you can’t get away with lying in this world you’re definitely not going to get away with it in the next world.

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    Michael Goodwin of The New York Post said:

    The grumbling that Kamala Harris is avoiding reporters like the plague
    led to a headline on Fox News that demanded:
    “Liberal media minions need to do their jobs.”

    Ah, but they are doing their jobs. Their assignment, as they see it,
    is to stop Donald Trump from becoming president and no effort is being spared.

    If they had another goal, they would be furious as Harris
    ignores them and their questions. But meekly accepting
    her cold shoulder is all part of a dishonest day’s work.

    They will do whatever it takes to elect her.

    All of which means Trump shouldn’t hold his breath waiting
    for Harris to be exposed during a tough round of interviews.

    He may be right, as he said Thursday, that “she can’t do a news conference.”
    He said that during a long question-and-answer session he held to draw a contrast with her.

    But he, too, misses the larger point: Harris could do an endless loop
    of interviews and press conferences and it probably wouldn’t matter.

    She’ll choose friendly outlets where Democrats with
    press passes will throw her big juicy softballs.
    If she swings wildly and misses, they’ll declare it a home run.

    If she dishes up one of her zany word salads, she will
    be deemed a genius beyond the comprehension of ordinary mortals.
    And her annoying cackle will be proclaimed endearing.

    FIXED ON THE PRIZE

    America is experiencing a remarkable series of events,
    featuring the shooting of the Republican candidate
    by a would-be assassin and the pressured removal
    of the Democratic president from his reelection campaign,
    yet the media hasn’t blinked.

    They remain fixed on the prize of making certain
    Trump doesn’t get back to the Oval Office.

    The mission includes turning away from the attempt to assassinate him.
    You don’t have to be a historian to marvel at how little interest there is
    about the background and motivation of the 20-year-old shooter, Thomas Crooks.

    Nor is there much detail about an Iranian plot to assassinate Trump
    that, we recently learned, had been broken up by the FBI
    just the day before the Pennsylvania shooting.

    Crooks reportedly had three foreign email accounts
    but we are assured by anonymous “official” sources
    speaking to leftist outlets there is no connection between the two plots.

    PBS, a reliable indicator of the radical mindset, put it this way:

    “US officials acknowledged last month that a threat on
    Donald Trump’s life from Iran prompted additional security
    in the days before a Pennsylvania rally in which
    Trump was injured by a gunman’s bullet.
    That July 13 shooting, carried out by a 20-year-old Pennsylvania man,
    was unrelated to the Iran threat . . . a law enforcement official said.”

    So there was “additional security” in Pennsylvania,
    but still Crooks was able to fire at Trump
    from an open rooftop just 130 yards away?

    This, of course, is the same Secret Service that dropped
    its probe into a bag of cocaine found at the Biden White House
    because it couldn’t find the perp in two weeks.
    The Keystone Kops were more diligent.

    If the assassination plots involved Biden or any Democrat,
    the media would treat them as earth-shattering stories.

    Every rumor, speculation and tidbit of information would be
    blasted out in breathtaking fashion about a national security crisis.

    UNFAIR PLAY

    Republicans would be lashed with harsh denunciations
    about overheated political rhetoric and accused of sparking violence.

    But when Dems and the media repeatedly declare Trump
    a threat to democracy and then he narrowly avoids death,
    and when a foreign power also assigns an agent to kill him,
    the page is quickly turned.

    There is no outrage toward Iran, nor does the media express
    any curiosity about why Iran wants to kill Trump but not Biden.

    The reason is obvious, but to spell it out
    would be to expose Biden’s appeasement policies.
    Recall that Trump droned Iran’s terror chief and put tough sanctions
    on the mullahs’ oil, while Biden lifted the sanctions and keeps trying
    to bribe Iran to rejoin the failed nuclear pact that Trump scuttled.

    Even after Iran loosed its terror proxies on Israel and the groups
    killed three American service members in Jordan,
    wounded others in Iraq and took Americans hostage in Israel,
    Biden pulls his punches and demands Israel do the same.

    Then came Friday’s reports that Iran is using fake news sites
    and other online activity to interfere in the fall election.

    Not until the third paragraph does the AP note that
    “US officials have previously hinted that Iran
    particularly opposes former President Donald Trump.”

    A more honest way to write the same story would be
    to say upfront that Iran wants to help elect Harris.
    That’s how it would be written if Iran was trying to help elect Trump.

    Here’s another comparison: If JD Vance were accused of
    “stolen valor” by his former military comrades, would
    the media circle the wagons around him the way
    they are protecting Tim Walz against the same charges?
    The question answers itself.

    Sadly, even tragically, there is nothing new in the media jihad
    against Trump. It started in 2016 and hasn’t stopped.

    The big outlets tried to drag Hillary Clinton over the finish line,
    but couldn’t do it. So many newsrooms, so many tears.

    In 2020, they were happy to let Biden hide in his basement.
    They knew then he was in decline, but believed it better
    to have a decrepit Democrat in the White House than the evil Trump.

    During his tenure, Biden set a modern record for the fewest
    press conferences and interviews. It should have been treated as a scandal,
    but even as Biden ignored them, reporters ignored his cognitive decline.

    DIFFERENT STANDARDS

    When the president scolded the press for mild criticism,
    they remained loyal to his re-election.

    He said publicly his son Hunter Biden did nothing wrong,
    and they didn’t bother to note that it was improper for a president
    to comment on a case pending before his Justice Department.

    He let it be known he wanted Trump prosecuted and thrown in jail,
    which should have been met with thunderous outrage, but instead, crickets.

    Actually, it wasn’t crickets. There was a very loud applause
    because that’s what the media wants, too.

    They stuck with Biden until it was clear he would lose,
    then flipped on a dime and led the charge to replace him.

    They didn’t know who Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and
    the megadonors would replace him with — and didn’t care.

    Any Democrat who increased the odds of beating Trump would do.

    To judge from reports about Harris’ “joyful” campaign,
    many in the media are giddy that she is generating
    so much enthusiasm and, according to polls, is now beating Trump.

    That makes it extra delusional for anyone, including him,
    to believe the press will jeopardize her chances
    by holding the two candidates to the same standards.

    If Trump is going to win, he’ll have to do it the way he did it in 2016:
    despite the media.

    SOURCE: article titled: “The liberal media will do anything
    to get Kamala Harris elected – which includes not questioning her

    by Michael Goodwin 2024 August 10 www (dot) NYPost (dot) com

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    matzav (dot) com recently said this:

    Senator Tom Cotton strongly criticized Vice President Kamala Harris on Sunday, labeling her as both “naive” about Tehran and lenient toward Hamas. The Republican senator from Arkansas, speaking on “Fox News Sunday,” condemned the Democrat presidential candidate’s stance on Israel following the October 7 attack by Hamas, which resulted in the deaths of approximately 1,200 Israelis and the abduction of around 250 others to Gaza. Cotton argued that Harris’s actions reveal her lack of readiness to lead the nation as commander in chief.

    Cotton, who is a member of the Senate Intelligence, Armed Services, and Judiciary Committees, accused Harris of blindly accepting Hamas’ reports regarding the number of casualties in Gaza, despite these figures being provided by the Hamas-controlled Health Ministry, which does not differentiate between fighters and civilians.

    He stated that “Israel has to strike on occasion at places like hospitals and schools, because Hamas uses them for command and control or to fire mortars and rockets. There are civilian casualties in Gaza, no doubt, but those are solely the responsibility of Hamas, not Israel.”

    Despite acknowledging the complexity of the situation, Cotton criticized Harris and President Joe Biden for exerting more pressure on Israel than on Hamas from the onset of the conflict.

    He also reproached [Kamala] Harris for not fulfilling her constitutional role as president of the Senate by avoiding Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s recent address to Congress, which was attended by 128 Democrat members of Congress.

    “She refused to preside over the joint session, her only constitutional duty as president of the Senate, she refused to have a meeting in public with [Netanyahu, although she did meet with him in private], and she came out and again blamed Israel for the civilian casualties in Gaza, only emboldening Iran and Iranian-backed terrorists,”
    Cotton remarked. “And what did you have two days later?
    Hezbollah, another Iranian-backed terrorist [organization] shot rockets to Israel and blew up children playing ball at a playground.”

    Reiterating his criticism, Cotton declared that “Kamala Harris is naive, and she’s not prepared to be the commander in chief.”

    While acknowledging that [Kamala] Harris had affirmed Israel’s right to defend itself, Cotton argued that she undermined this position by immediately adding conditions. “

    And what comes after the ‘but’ with Kamala Harris is always implying that Israel is responsible for all the civilian suffering in Gaza, not Hamas, that Israel is the one being provocative when it’s waging a defensive war after the October 7 [2023] atrocity and that Israel is the one that should pull in its horns, as opposed to supporting Israel and standing strong against Iran and Iranian-backed terrorist throughout the region,” Cotton concluded.

    SOURCE: article titled: “Senator Cotton: Harris ‘Naive’ on Iran,
    Not Tough on Hamas
    ” 2024 August 12, www (dot) matzav (dot) com

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    Kristine Parks of Fox News recently said this:

    “Michael Rapaport [a Jewish actor and comedian], a staunch critic
    of former President Trump, admitted he was previously
    ‘ill-informed’ about Trump’s record on Israel, the economy.”

    Liberal actor and comedian Michael Rapaport announced that
    he couldn’t vote for Vice President Harris in the November election
    and that the Democratic Party’s treatment of Israel
    had made him reconsider supporting former President Trump.

    “I’m now a one-issue voter: my money and Israel,” he told
    former ESPN broadcaster Sage Steele on the July 31 “The Sage Steele Podcast.”
    “I’m not voting for Kamala Harris. I can’t do it,” he continued.
    “I can’t support a party that is about all this bulls—.”

    Rapaport has increasingly called out his own political party
    for its stance on Israel. In May, he announced President Biden
    had also lost his support in the upcoming election,
    and he was considering voting for Trump.

    The actor went even further on Steele’s podcast.

    “I was wrong,” he said about his past criticism of Trump.
    “I was first in line talking s— about Trump.”

    While Rapaport said he still finds Trump’s rhetoric and
    behavior unpresidential, he admitted he was previously
    “ill-informed” about Trump’s record on Israel, Iran and the economy.

    Rapaport stopped short of saying he was going to
    vote for the GOP candidate in the election
    but said the option was still on the table.”

    At the end of the day, I want my interest rates down…
    and Israel needs to be protected more than ever right now,”
    he said about his two voting priorities.

    Rapaport also called out progressives who protested
    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last month
    when he gave an address to Congress.

    “While there’s eight American hostages in Gaza, they didn’t show up,
    proudly. Bernie and the burnouts, the Squad,
    all these race-hustling con artists,” he blasted.
    “They weaponize it to a point that it’s dangerous.”

    “I don’t care what you think of [Netanyahu],” he continued.
    “Israel is America’s biggest ally, while we’re under siege,
    not just from Hamas…but also proxies from Iran. This isn’t just about Israel.”

    Rapaport also slammed Hollywood and the sports world
    for not speaking out on October 7 and demanding
    the hostages be brought home calling the silence “embarrassing.”

    “We speak out about everything. It could be climate change,
    it could be women’s rights, it could be abortion rights, LGBTQ
    —we say stuff about everything,” he said.”
    The silence has been madly deafening,” he continued.

    Back in May, Rapaport said that a comedy show of his,
    set to take place in Madison, Wisconsin, was canceled
    due to threats of violence in the wake of his support for Israel.

    “I was extremely p—ed off,” Rapaport stated at the time.
    “I didn’t imagine, didn’t think that it would get to a point
    where my beliefs and me standing up for what I know is right,
    regarding Jews, regarding Israel, regarding being Jewish
    and just the right thing, would get to a point where a club
    would cancel my show because they are afraid of an incident happening.”

    The venue, Comedy on State, reportedly explained to ticket holders
    in an email that the show was canceled due to safety concerns
    stemming from “escalating protests” and the
    “contentious nature of the dialogue” surrounding the conflict in Gaza.

    SOURCE: article titled: “Media Comic Michael Rapaport says
    Harris lost his vote over Israel: ‘Can’t support party that is for this bulls—‘

    by Kristine Parks, Fox News, 2024 August 1

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    Caroline Glick said:

    Last month the revolutionaries and the administration
    converged before the cameras at meeting between
    Vice President Kamala Harris and students
    at George Mason University in Virginia.

    A female student with the voice of a child used her
    audience with Harris as an opportunity to promote
    the revolution’s vicious hatred of Jews, and of America.

    She sniffed emotionally under her mask and told
    America’s second highest elected official that her feelings
    were hurt when Congress passed a bill for supplemental
    funding to Israel’s Iron Dome anti-missile system.

    The move, she yowled,
    “hurts my heart because it’s an ethnic genocide
    and a displacement of people,
    the same that happened in America,
    and I’m sure you’re aware of this.”

    [Kamala] Harris might have been expected to call
    the student out for promoting anti-Semitic and
    anti-American blood libels. But she didn’t.
    Instead, Harris empowered the young bigot.

    She said she was “glad” the student shared her views.
    “This is about the fact that your voice, your perspective,
    your experience, your truth,
    should not be suppressed and it must be heard, right?
    And one of the things we’re fighting for in a democracy, right?”

    SOURCE: article titled: “Revolution Has Come to America”
    by Caroline Glick 10/08/2021, www (dot) Caroline Glick (dot) com,
    originally published in Israel HaYom

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    Mitchell Bard said this:

    “For many Jews, the platform [of the Democratic Party] represents
    a continuation of a disastrous policy towards Iran. It incredulously
    calls for a return to diplomacy and a renewal of the nuclear agreement,
    and falsely says the agreement stopped Iran’s pursuit of nuclear capability.

    The Democrats pledge to work with “the Lebanese people to
    promote political and economic reform, financial stability and security.”
    No mention is made of how that could be done without
    eliminating the influence of Iran and the presence of Hezbollah.

    Democrats say Jerusalem “should remain the capital of Israel,
    an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths,”
    but is still “a matter for final status negotiations.”
    What is there to negotiate if they recognize the reality on the ground?

    “The platform reflects the Democrats’ inability to unequivocally
    fight antisemitism, declaring opposition delegitimizing Israel and,
    specifically, the BDS movement, but insisting it must be done
    while protecting free speech. This non-existent dilemma has enabled
    antisemites and many Democrats to sabotage anti-boycott legislation.”

    They [the Democratic Party] also can’t bring themselves to unequivocally
    condemn antisemitism, falling back on the now all-too-common
    conflation of the persecution of Jews with racism, misogyny,
    anti-Muslim bigotry, white supremacy, sexism, homophobia
    and discrimination towards religious minorities, people with
    disabilities, Native Americans, “and all who have been discriminated
    against in too many ways and for too many generations.”

    SOURCE: article titled: “The Democrats’ Problematic Platform
    by Mitchell Bard, 2024 July 24, www (dot) JNS (dot) org

    Mitchell Bard is a foreign-policy analyst and an authority on U.S.-Israel
    relations who has written and edited 22 books, including:
    The Arab Lobby, Death to the Infidels: Radical Islam’s War Against
    the Jews and After Anatevka: Tevye in Palestine.

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    “but the sheer hypocrisy of chanting “Lock her up! Lock her up!” then doing nearly the exact same thing.“

    Sorry but like I said before Hillary was never president, Trump was

    #2307019

    > “but the sheer hypocrisy of chanting “Lock her up! Lock her up!” then doing nearly the exact same thing.“

    There is a subtle difference here. Multiple media outlets bombard us daily with accusations of T. Most of them do not say
    similar things about Democratic players until they fall of the cliff in a debate. After that, they attacked the fallen lion like lowly hyenas.

    So, T has to make those accusations himself in order for them to be heard. I blame Republican leaders for not creating enough media presence …

    Governor Romney tried to be nice and was accused of all kind of crimes – and that is why he became “Senator Romney”, not “President Romney”. Majority of Republicans accepted that they need a Yiftach-type fighter, even with imperfect middos.

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    Jillian Michaels (a famous fitness guru) recently said this about Kamala Harris:

    “I’m underwhelmed by what she [Kamala Harris] has done.
    I don’t really understand what the major accomplishments are.”

    SOURCE: Fox News, around 3 weeks ago

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