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May 13, 2011 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #596879smile66Member
That the Hebrew language is probably the most easy to read language in the world? No double letters or sounds (like sh and ch), no craziness goin on like in English, where we actually have a reason to hold spelling bees. All you have to do is learn the sound that each letter and each nekuda means, and you’re literally good to go. Just imagine if Hebrew was spelled like English was… there’s no way anyone would be able to daven in Hebrew unless they actually KNEW it. No little kids reading from siddurim or chumashim. We think it’s hard to get through a tefilla we’re not used to? Just imagine if all the letters and words had a million different rules to them basically depending on what word it was. We’d would just end up having to daven in the “Blessed are you, Oh Lord….” language.
I think it’s pretty convenient the way it is now, don’t you?
May 13, 2011 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #766904bptParticipantSounds simple, and it is a beautiful language, but till you get to letters like ches /chof, tes / tof, vais / vov straight, it can drive teacher and student to a standstill.
Not to mention, when the choilem over the vov is an oiy, (99% of the time) and when is a voi (like Mitzvois). Or my all time fav, when a pasach ches is chah (99% of the time) and when it ach (like Noiach)
Been there, so I know. Once you’ve got it, its poetry. Till you get it, its a tough ride.
May 13, 2011 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #766905am yisrael chaiParticipant“Or my all time fav, when a pasach ches is chah (99% of the time) and when it ach (like Noiach)
It’s only pronounced “ach” when at the end of the word.
May 13, 2011 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #766906charliehallParticipantIt is easy, but Korean is even easier.
May 13, 2011 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #766907SacrilegeMember“No double letters or sounds (like sh and ch)”
Koof and Kuf make the same sound…
Bais, Vais. Kuf, Chuff. Pay, Fay. Shin, Sin. Tuff, Suff.
**Hebrew confuses the b’jeezus outta me, and thats before allotting words to being female and male…
May 13, 2011 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #766908☕ DaasYochid ☕Participanttill you get to letters like ches /chof, tes / tof, vais / vov straight, it can drive teacher and student to a standstill.
The fact that we pronounce those letters differently is likely a product of exposure to other languages, not the actual pronunciation. I believe that the Teimanim distinguish between them.
May 13, 2011 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #766909WolfishMusingsParticipantThat the Hebrew language is probably the most easy to read language in the world?
I’m no linguistics expert (and neither, I suspect are you), but I would think that Hawaiian, with only twelve letters in the alphabet (including vowels, which Hebrew does not have) is even easier.
The Wolf
May 13, 2011 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #766910☕ DaasYochid ☕Participantincluding vowels, which Hebrew does not have
They’re called “nekudos”.
May 13, 2011 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #766911smile66MemberWolf – I was wondering when someone would comment something like that… Anyway the fact that Hawaiian only has twelve letters doesn’t mean reading can’t still be hard. I’ve never learned Hawaiian so I wouldn’t know, but it is still very possible that it has weird letter sound rules like English.
Sacrilege – I meant like the fact that two letters together make one sound… in Hebrew, whatever letter you see is what it is and always will be, it doesn’t change based on the next letter, like ch, sh, th. Also no one letter represents two different sounds – like for example the “th” in “the” and “thin”. Even pay and fay and shin and sin – they have dots in different places so based on that you know what the sound is. Like you don’t have to know the word to know what the sound is, as you do with the word “thin”. And I don’t know but maybe it’s just me, the fact that there are two letters that make the same sound never confused me when it comes to reading… Maybe others have had different experiences with it.
I admit you do have to learn what all the sounds make, that part is not neccessarily easy, but all the first graders seem to do pretty well at it eventually, and then once you got that you don’t have to learn any more, reading wise. Language is a whole other story 🙂
May 15, 2011 1:46 am at 1:46 am #766912ItcheSrulikMemberThe number of syllables in many Hawaiian words would make it hard to read no matter how few letters there are.
Also, my friend tells me that until you get to kanji, Japanese is also very easy to read.
May 15, 2011 2:51 am at 2:51 am #766913HaLeiViParticipantSacrilege,
Writing Hebrew can be hard, for you’ll have to know the rules of Dikduk. With English, it is easier to construct a correctly written sentence without having taken a course than with Hebrew. However, smile66 is talking about reading.
Having said that, as far as I understand, the reason English is this way is because all Latin languages use the same letters, more or less. Therefore, when a foreign word made it in, we incorparated its spelling, too. That is why we have words spelled with French rules or German. That being the case, a language such as russian is, I think, also a what-you-see-is-what-you-get language.
May 16, 2011 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #766914WolfishMusingsParticipantEven pay and fay
You do realize that Pay and Fay are really the same letter, right?
in Hebrew, whatever letter you see is what it is and always will be, it doesn’t change
I know that in some circles it is fashionable to pronounce a cholom as “oy,” but in others, a cholom without a yud after it is “oh” and with a yud after it is “oy.” Likewise, a shuruk can have a different sound depending on whether or not a yud follows it.
based on the next letter
Usually not, but often on the preceding letter (such as the rules surrounding when a dagesh is used, or whether a sheva is a nah or nach).
Ultimately, I think your original premise is flawed. You are comparing two languages (Hebrew and English), concluding that Hebrew is easier to read (which may or may not be true) and then concluding that Hebrew must be easier to read than ALL languages. Needless to say, your conclusion is not supported by the premises of your argument.
The Wolf
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