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March 21, 2011 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #595807s2021Member
Im not married but I wear a shaitel.. Everywhere I go people are asking me my married name, where Im living, what my husband does.. I dont really mind.. thats just how ppl are where I live. However I dont want to create awkward situations for the other person in middle of a bagel store or a nail salon or Shul.. So I decided to just create a fictional husband, place where we live, what he does… I thought it was perfect. I even made his name and everything.. But now Im thinking- wait- would that be allowed??
Thoughts?? 🙂
March 21, 2011 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #751201GrandmasterMemberHow tall is he?
March 21, 2011 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #751202popa_bar_abbaParticipantNo offense, but your question is the least interesting part of this story.
March 21, 2011 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #751203pascha bchochmaParticipantCan you ask a Rav? This sounds like a very complicated situation.
Also, can you get a more natural looking sheitel?
March 21, 2011 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #751205always hereParticipants2021~ no offense, but I think spinning this fairy tale of fantasy is veryyy peculiar; wouldn’t it just be easier to say: “it’s complicated” when a person is inquiring into your personal business?
if the truth gets out, & it usually does, your reputation & credibility will always be suspect and questioned. JMHO.
March 21, 2011 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #751206s2021MemberPopa- whats ur point?
pascha- my sheitel is a regular sheitel, I dont think it could get any more naturall unless I start pulling sum hairs out which I dont think is allowed..
always- “whats ur married name?”
“Its complicated..?”
I think thats peculiar.. If I would just say a name the whole thing is over in 30 seconds…
Anyhow, Iv been thinkin Its not a good idea cuz Im a very honest person n I dont want to get used to saying untruths.. especially since Im kinda bad at it- If I start getting good…
March 21, 2011 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #751207always hereParticipants2021~ women/people come up to you & ask you ‘what’s your married name?’ as opposed to just ‘what’s your name?’? … that’s peculiar. it would make more sense if they asked you ‘what’s your family (maiden) name?’ if they see you’re wearing a sheitel.
if they have to ask your name, they probably don’t know you very well to begin with… so what does it matter what last name you give them?
good idea to stay away from untruths.
March 21, 2011 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #751208cshapiroMemberdoes he play football??!
March 21, 2011 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm #751209s2021Memberalways- I dont think its peculiar that people ask me my name.. And my familys pretty well known so when ppl ask me my name and I give them my family name it leads to more convo.. “ooooh ur _s daughter? So niiiiiiiice! Whod u marry again??” At that point I usually pretend I didnt understand the question and smile and nod.. Or Iv been giving them the name of the guy I actually did marry just cuz I got flustered, or If I didnt want to embarrass the person..
Dont know what to do…
Cmon ppl- IDEAS!!!
March 21, 2011 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #751210s2021Membercshap- hes taken!! lol still working out the details of what his personal hobbies r..
March 22, 2011 12:04 am at 12:04 am #751211☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantBad idea. Bad for your middos, bad for your reputation (if someone catches on), and bad for shidduch prospects (if someone knew you were no longer married, maybe they would have an idea for you).
My suggestion? Just say the truth in as subtle way as possible.
Examples:
What’s your married name?
I went back to my original name which is _____ .
Where do you live?
_____ Street.
What does your husband do? (trickier one)
I haven’t kept up with my ex-husband.
March 22, 2011 12:07 am at 12:07 am #751212ItcheSrulikMemberJust my two cents, answer honestly and if it gets too personal tell the yenta(of either gender) to mind her own business.
March 22, 2011 12:08 am at 12:08 am #751213cshapiroMemberim just trying to make conversation…
March 22, 2011 12:44 am at 12:44 am #751214mddMemberDefinetely, a shaila of belonging (c^v) to kas(group) shakronim asher einam mekablim pnei HaShechina.
March 22, 2011 1:13 am at 1:13 am #751215mw13ParticipantHalachicly, one is allowed to lie to keep the peace. I would assume this would fall under that rule and be muttar. But then again, I’m no possek so ask your Rov.
However, even if lying if halachicly permitted here it still might not be the best idea. As always here pointed out, when people find out the truth you may have a problem. IMHO the best one with the best idea so far is Daas Yochid.
March 22, 2011 1:24 am at 1:24 am #751216s2021Membercshap- I got that.. anyway I decided hes built like a football player but hes more into basketball these days..
lol Daas- Thanx 4the suggestions.. Its looks so hard to say though!! 😮 Not so worried about my reaction, more the person whos asking and will be caught off gaurd, blush, make some awkward comment, start laughing loudly, apologizing.. Worst cums to worse, when the whole bagel store turns to look at me, theyll think of ther available second cousin..
March 22, 2011 1:37 am at 1:37 am #751217cshapiroMemberyay s, we can so be friends now!!!
March 22, 2011 1:42 am at 1:42 am #751218s2021Memberlol…
March 22, 2011 1:47 am at 1:47 am #751219aries2756ParticipantWhat’s wrong with simply saying “I’m no longer married”? and leave it at that? If they have further inquiries you can choose to answer or not.
March 22, 2011 1:50 am at 1:50 am #751220GumBallMemberlololololololol 🙂
March 22, 2011 1:59 am at 1:59 am #751221yoyo56Memberwhy are u wearing a shaitel if ur not married r u divorced?
March 22, 2011 2:06 am at 2:06 am #751222s2021MemberSomething like that..
But there r sometimes ppl who wear shaitels for other reasons, like sickness RL. We need to be very carefull and sensitive.. and think before we let it all out…
March 22, 2011 2:45 am at 2:45 am #751223HealthParticipants2021 – Perfect solution -get remarried. And you won’t have to lie anymore.
March 22, 2011 2:46 am at 2:46 am #751224mw13ParticipantGumBall:
“lololololololol”
Laugh out loud out loud out loud out loud out loud out loud out loud?
March 22, 2011 3:17 am at 3:17 am #751225s2021MemberHealth- I love it!
Unless my psycho ex hunts him down and kills him… He has jealousy issues, and thinks I belong to him.. That being said- know anyone? 😉
March 22, 2011 3:34 am at 3:34 am #751226HealthParticipantIf he hunts him down -make sure you have a large life insurance policy on him. This will kill two birds with one stone. You will make money and your ex will go up the river for a long time.
March 22, 2011 3:48 am at 3:48 am #751227s2021Memberhmmmm..nice! Life is not looking so bleak after all!! lol
March 22, 2011 3:54 am at 3:54 am #751228smartcookieMember2021- you’re best off being honest. Lies always come back to you. It’ll be more embarrassing to make up answers and then people will find out you’re divorced.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with answering- I’m divorced. Perhaps a bit uncomfortable but it’s not unheard of and crazy. People understand.
If I would ask someone a question(which is why I never even ask such simple questions), I wouldn’t think it’s awkward of her to answer that she’s divorced.
Do yourself a favor and stick to the truth.
March 22, 2011 3:57 am at 3:57 am #751230smartcookieMemberJust a note to all of you out there:
When you meet someone whom you didn’t meet in years, and you have no idea where they’re up to in life- don’t ask questions.
What’s your name now?
Where do you live?
Do you work?
How many kids do you have by now?
Where do ur kids go to school?
Etc etc…
These questions seem SO harmless, but you might make the other person very uncomfortable. You can never know what a person is going through in any point of their life.
March 22, 2011 4:00 am at 4:00 am #751232s2021MemberThanx Cookie
March 22, 2011 4:09 am at 4:09 am #751233smartcookieMember2021-do you agree with my post or was that one big lecture?
March 22, 2011 4:22 am at 4:22 am #751234s2021MemberYes, generally its best off being honest. And in a way its easier to just say “Im divorced” but in a way, its not. I could be comfy just spitting it out, but its a sharp line to hit someone with in middle of a crowded clothing store, and it would probably be uncomfortable, even uncalled for. Also- they wer just being polite- Me volunteering such personall info is a lil much.. So I was just lookig for a simpler out..
I do agree and apreciate ur “note to all” 🙂
March 22, 2011 4:26 am at 4:26 am #751235smartcookieMemberYou don’t have to yell- DIVORCED!!!
If you’re in public, you can whisper it to the “interviewer”!
If I’d ask those questions and you would lie, I would be more embarrassed if I found out later that you covered up, than if you’d say that you’re divorced.
I do realize that it’s hard, and my heart goes out to all those who have this problem. But I still think it’s best to say the truth.
(Sometimes if you know the person will leave you alone after ques #1, you can just shake ur head and say a lil lie!)
March 22, 2011 4:32 am at 4:32 am #751236observanteenMemberSmartcookie: I’m not so sure. Although I didn’t ask a sheila, it does say in the Torah “midvar sheker tirchak”. The “interviewer” does something wrong by interrogating somebody but this doesn’t exactly give you the “go ahead” to “tell a lil lie”. Unless of course you asked a rav.
March 22, 2011 4:33 am at 4:33 am #751237oomisParticipantIf you’re wearing it because of illness, or even just thinning hair, it’s no one’s business but your own, and you owe no one any explanations. Frankly however, this whole thing sounds a little like a belated Purim Shpiel to me… (if I am wrong, I apologize, but if you are just pulling our leg,’fess up).
March 22, 2011 4:34 am at 4:34 am #751238s2021Membercookie- would u really b more embarrased if u found out later from others than if I said it straight to ur face?
March 22, 2011 4:37 am at 4:37 am #751239eclipseMemberI smile politely and say “I’m a single mother now” or just “I’m not…”(ie.married–understood by the pause)
With the smile,they don’t feel like they made me uncomfortable.
And when the inevitable “I’m so sorry” comes,I say “It’s better this way” or “It needed to happen” and THE CONVERSATION MOVES ON.
(when the person has brains,that is)
March 22, 2011 4:41 am at 4:41 am #751240s2021Memberoomis- the inspiration of the idea did come to me on Purim… Havent yet grown out of the Purim Spirit to decide if this is a tot wacky shpiel or a tot wacky idea that can be applied on a regular day.. :))
March 22, 2011 4:42 am at 4:42 am #751241observanteenMembereclipse: Brilliant! Love it!
March 22, 2011 4:45 am at 4:45 am #751242s2021Membereclipse- lol. One of the reasons Im hesitent is cuz some days Im so relieved and excited that Im single, If they say “Oh Im Sooooooooo Sorry, Oooooooy!!” And Im all “IM NOT!!!” with a giggle and a huge smile.. Id probly look completely nuts.. Cant help how I feel!
March 22, 2011 4:53 am at 4:53 am #751243eclipseMembers2021…don’t you love when they say…”send him love,send him forgiveness”….I want to say I was thinking more like a mail bomb…JUST KIDDING EVERYONE,but I couldn’t resist.
March 22, 2011 4:59 am at 4:59 am #751244s2021Memberhaaaaa know what u mean. My parents wer like that in the beginning.. Now my fathers starting to chap what typa guy he is and hes like pacing around the house thinking of ways he would like to kill him 🙂 (Just kidding everyone, My dads the cutest, wouldnt hurt a fly..)
March 22, 2011 5:01 am at 5:01 am #751245cshapiroMemberu know the fbi is monitering this cr…
March 22, 2011 5:02 am at 5:02 am #751246observanteenMemberHey, s2021 I know what u mean!
March 22, 2011 5:05 am at 5:05 am #751247eclipseMemberOh,well then I meant male bombshell,the ONLY kind cshapiro dates!!
Ok,it’s way past my bedtime,my posts are getting crazy!
March 22, 2011 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #751248mewhoParticipantmarry a guy in his 90s that is well off and never had children.
March 22, 2011 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #751249eclipseMembermewho..they call it “one hand on his shoulder,and his foot on a banana peel”.A joke some find offensive,for some odd reason!:)Even I think it’s mean.Anyway,money comes and goes.
March 22, 2011 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #751250cshapiroMemberbut looks last forever…!!??! lol
March 22, 2011 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #751251oomisParticipant“oomis- the inspiration of the idea did come to me on Purim… Havent yet grown out of the Purim Spirit to decide if this is a tot wacky shpiel or a tot wacky idea that can be applied on a regular day.. :)) “
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