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May 27, 2019 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm #1733609👑RebYidd23Participant
And is it permissible with fruit trees? If so, to what extent?
May 30, 2019 7:48 am at 7:48 am #1735737Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantIs this because you saw the book called the art of bonsai where it shows instructions of people forcefully tying up trees with wire in what looks like some form of torture?
June 17, 2019 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #1743655👑RebYidd23ParticipantNo, it’s because the equivalent is horrific when done to humans.
June 17, 2019 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #1743709☕️coffee addictParticipantIt shouldn’t be any different than declawing a cat which is now outlawed in California (I think, or maybe New York)
June 17, 2019 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #1743722👑RebYidd23ParticipantSo is a tree the same as a cat?
June 18, 2019 11:02 am at 11:02 am #1743939☕️coffee addictParticipant“So is a tree the same as a cat?“
Is there an organization like PETA for trees?
June 18, 2019 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #1744149👑RebYidd23ParticipantASPCP
June 18, 2019 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #1744209☕️coffee addictParticipantSo that answers your question
June 18, 2019 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #1744225👑RebYidd23ParticipantNo, it really doesn’t.
June 18, 2019 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #1744233☕️coffee addictParticipantYes it does you just don’t want it to
June 19, 2019 8:03 am at 8:03 am #1744268chaim_baruchParticipantSince plants do not have a nervous system nor a brain, they cannot feel pain. So I doubt it’s considered cruel any more than trimming branches or pulling weeds. But I’m no botanist.
June 19, 2019 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #1744623👑RebYidd23ParticipantIf someone made you unable to feel pain, would you be okay with extreme body modifications?
October 18, 2019 8:05 am at 8:05 am #1793489☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantThe ASPCP is actually The Association of Supportive & Palliative Care Pharmacy.
Plants actually do react to things.
October 18, 2019 11:47 am at 11:47 am #1793546GadolhadorahParticipantPlants are living things too and chazal bring down that the same prohibitions on t’zar baalei Chayim apply equally to donkeys and dandelions. Some make a big fuss about the pain to chickens from shlugging kaporos but where is PETA and the other groups during Succos when we are shaking the daylights out of lulavim. For shame!!!
October 18, 2019 2:14 pm at 2:14 pm #1793603☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantPlease don’t make up fake quotes in the name of Chazal, even though you’re just trying to be funny.
October 18, 2019 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #1793630GadolhadorahParticipantDY: OK….attribute the psak to Adam Chashuv Schiff
October 31, 2019 10:55 am at 10:55 am #1796107Reb Yid 613ParticipantThere is no such quote by Chazal. Rather the opposite the Gemara in Sukkah (Daf 35) states that if you grow an esrog in a mold, as long as it is a mold that is the shape of an esrog it is Kosher!!!! The Gemara did not answer that it is Tzar Baalei Chaim!!!
Therefore Lehalacha one is Allowed to grow a bonsai. And anyone who says that you may not in the name of chazal is talking devarim betailm gemurim!!!!!!October 31, 2019 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #1796251👑RebYidd23ParticipantExtreme bonsai can be risky to the plant and prevent it from bearing fruit.
November 4, 2019 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #1797314Reb Yid 613ParticipantRebYid23:
That is a totally different problem to tzaar baalei Chaim.
Furthermore this is ask hocus, since according to most poskim there is only tzaar ballei Chaim by animals that serve youNovember 4, 2019 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #17973301ParticipantNo.
November 4, 2019 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #1797406👑RebYidd23ParticipantSouth African FFB Cynic, that is why I didn’t bring up tzaar baalei chaim.
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