Is Obama a U.S Citizen?

He’s really a martian, trying to sell us out to the galactic empire? 🙂

Let’s say it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he’s not. And he may or may not have been complicit of hiding it. Then what?

You know, I *know* I’m going to regret getting involved in this…

1. Yes, it a real birth certificate. A number of states title their birth certificates a “certificate of live birth.” It’s the same thing. So, yes, he was born in Hawaii in 1961 and that makes him a full-fledged U.S. citizen.

2. Want additional proof? Both of Honolulu’s major newspapers printed birth announcements of Barack Obama’s birth in 1961.

Lastly (and most importantly) every judge to whom the issue was brought has ruled that Obama is a US Citizen based on his birth certificate.

For heaven’s sake — by all means, if you don’t like Obama’s policies, then take him to task on them. But just give up on the birth certicate issue — it makes you look stupid.

The Wolf

But doesn’t it seem peculiar that instead of showing his real birth certificate he chooses to spend $1M to fight it in court?

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mepal

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Its a fact. Nothing to discuss there. Any time it was brought up, the media shoved it under the carpet. That’s the only way he got to where he is today. The media loved him and didn’t want to support anything that would make him lose the election.

not the media… gezeirah for it to happen this way. We are the only ones who can change that.

*kapusta*

Sorry, I got the first name of the patriot above wrong: of course it’s James Von Brunn, not John.

mepal, I heard from one of the people who teach current events in my school, the only way its possible to teach it is to make it into a hashkafa class, and talk about how clear Yad Hashem is now.

*kapusta*

Nobody is saying he is not an american citizen. Some of my kids are completely american, have authentic american “certificates of live birth”, but they were born in Jerusalem. Legally, one must be american born to be elligible for president.

Obamanaz,

I find it very hard to believe that you can get an official Certificate of Live Birth (short form) for Hawaii that lists the town and island of birth as “Honolulu” and “Oahu” respectively for any child not born in that town and island.

Can you document someone who *did* receive an official Certificate of Live Birth that says that they were born in Hawaii when they, in fact, were not?

The Wolf

Beacuse “He’s really a martian, trying to sell us out to the galactic empire? :-)”

Perhaps Obama is Haman in disguise?

Welcome back Jfem

Lev Melachim V’sarim B’yad Hashem. If we deserve it via our Teshuva & Tefila, he can be the best for the yidden.

well said Kilo.

(the comment regarding Haman was in the same vein as the first. I could have said Stalin just as easily, but Obama is part socialist:)

note: in my last post (if im allowed to post this), i gave a 3rd reason why it was highly unlikely he could be elected, it was edited out.

Cherrybim, but his rapid rise from anonimty points to something more than the usual. (Or rather, that we can actually percieve it)

of course cherry of course

thats why i placed “large” in bold

i sense something very very big here….

maybe not

If anyone follows the purim story (or even better read rav brevda’s english pamphlet/books on the “real” raid behind the purim story) – it seems to me that Ahmadinedijad is haman who outright wants to see every one of us destroyed, and obama is Achashveirosh who was a commoner who suddenly got into power and seemed “impartial” but when reading between the lines we see he was really evil as well and liked haman’s ideas and gave him his signet. Obama is also surrounded with (sometimes brainless) advisors as was Achashveirosh.

They also say with megillas Esther that everywhere it says “HaMelech” it is really referring to Hashem, who was hidden behind the scenes (and therefore it doesn’t say His Name once explicitly) but it’s very clear He is pulling all the puppet strings – with the seemingly nonsensical commoners coming to power (both Haman and Achashveirosh) and then the total hashgocha of Esther and Mordechai getting an “in” to the government, Mordechai overhearing bigsan and seresh so Achashveirosh would be indebted to him (and didn’t want to be BTW and kept trying to flip the page but a malach kept turning it back to the page about Mordechai), etc etc. everything was perfectly orchestrated.

So the point is, as kapusta said, if we’re zocheh, and we are chozer b’teshuva with eachother and to Hashem, then be”H the puppet strings will be pulled to our good – with all world leaders and all world events. But chas v’shalom, if not….well let’s just say that Barack “HUSSEIN” Obama does not bode well for us, and the default “teva” looks pretty bleak for us…

At the same time we shouldn’t despair, and the Chofetz Chaim said we cannot change the world, we can only change ourselves, which he did himself, and he ended up actually changing the world. So let’s do our best to get to work on ourselves….

WolfishMusings:

I agree with your point that was reiterated by

jewishfeminist02,

however I have another theory that answers both questions,

perhaps he really was born in the U.S. but wanted to keep the muslim

world from hating him, by confiming he’s american born,

for political & other reasons.

So he paid whatever amount (the guy is loaded anyhow)

(having Hussein as a middle name doesn’t hurt either)

So he could play both sides.

Just a theory! food for thought.

It doesn’t matter. It’s still a non-issue. The Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii, which has been proven to be authentic, and which states that he was born in the state, is legal enough.

Why he won’t release it is a non-issue.

The Wolf

Obamanaz,

So what? No one suggested that the newspaper clippings were proof in and of themselves… they are merely supporting evidence.

In any event, the Certificate of Live Birth is still valid proof that he was born in Hawaii. You have stated (without any proof to back it up) that one can obtain a Cert. of Live Birth from Hawaii for non-native born children, but even if that’s true, I doubt you can get one that says that you were born in Hawaii unless you actually were.

The Wolf

The importance of this is akin to the importance of everything being in order on a kesubah, or the marriage is not valid. The law of this land is that our Presidents must be natural-born USA citizens. Naturalized citizens are not eligible. Personally, I think that is wrong, but it is the law. None of our first Presidents was a natural born citizen, They all came from England. Having said that. If obama was born anywhere else besides the USA, and his parents were not American Citizens, then he was not legally eligible to run for President, which is very nogeya to us. If it was illegal for him to run, then he was also elected illegally, and this should be undone ASAP if found to be true. I don’t care if you like him or not (I personally do not). He could be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he is answerable to the same laws that we are, and if he was ineligible or is found to have lied about his birthplace, then we need to follow the law. Then we can always amend the law to include non-born-in-the USA citizens, and the idealistic among us can re-elect him lawfully, if they still want to, after what he has done to this country in only a few short months.

finally someone who spelled things out!!