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If you are not a accountant / actuary, lawyer, restaurant owner / small business owner, doctor / dentist, rebbe / teacher?
Mashgiach 😉
What about a city official like felder
Cashier like the goq
What is the Hava amina of the question?
Are you asking that one needs to be a professional or businessman with a good income to afford a frum life (maybe except for the rebbe)?
Why not list the ones that are a problem? Most jobs can be done by a frum person, but there are some exceptions, such as: professional athlete (at least in team sports, some individual sports might be possible), hitman (hired assassin working for other than the government), thief, etc. Really, the world isn’t that restricted, though in almost all fields you give up a lot economically to be frum.
Yes, it is possible. I’m not a, and I’m frum. I think.
Don’t really understand the question. I think being a frum doctor would arguably be very challenging. I’m sure many of us have met someone who went off the derech and it started out as just being pikuach nefesh. It would also seem hard to be a frum lawyer.
newbee……….
your question might be better framed…chutz l’aretz
I know of frum men doing all tyoes of labor in EY that they would not be doing here….
Including Army officer, farmer, garbage man, municipal clerk…the list goes on and on
newbee:
If you are talking about the litvishe crowd, especially the “in-town” litvishe crowd, then you are somewhat correct. Of course, I also know countless frum men who are therapists, nurses, plumbers, electricians, diamond dealers (might be considered a business owner), etc… It definitely exists.
Amongst the chassidishe crowd, you are more likely to find those who do other things (driving trucks, etc…).
“So was wondering if it is possible to do something else.”
Of course it is. I know frum postal clerks, a frum mailman, several frum police officers, a frum firefighter a frum conductor for the NYC subway system, a frum engineer for NJ Transit.
“those who do other things (driving trucks, etc…).”
As Jackie Mason once said, he doesnt drive the truck, he just controls it, he works as a controller in the trucking industry.
Newbee………..
I have several relatives who make their living as copy writers in the advertising business. Another writes technical articles in the engineering field. I have a frum cousin who is an engineer in the aerospace industry. His PHd is from MIT and he has had no problem having the major companies offer to accommodate his religious needs because they want him
I do come from 4 generations of business owners in the USA, and I consider independent doctors and lawyers as business owners.
If you are not a accountant / actuary, lawyer, restaurant owner / small business owner, doctor / dentist, rebbe / teacher?
Database developer. I guess I’m not frum. Might as well go out and order a cheeseburger on Yom Kippur while planning to offer my kids to Molech.
The Wolf
Or you could do TESHUVA and buy a restaurant.
Or you could do TESHUVA and buy a restaurant.
I doubt it. Some sins (including database development) are probably unforgivable.
Besides, I’ve watched enough of edited to know that I never want to own a restaurant.
The Wolf
If you are a dentist, you are not really frum.
#MMUA
I think RebYidd is kidding, but I have wondered how a person could be a frum dentist. I don’t think you would make it far refusing to see patients of the opposite gender, and I don’t think anyone is claiming that routine teeth cleanings are a matter of pikuach nefesh.
What are some careers that a frum person legitimately couldn’t do? I think it’s actually an interesting topic.
Doctor
NC, the heter is tarud b’umnaso. It doesn’t need to be pikuach nefesh.
Could you explain that a little more, DY?
Would that suggest that a dentist could come in on Shabbos just to give a teeth cleaning?
Based on ‘??? ???? ?”?, ? the poskim are mattir (at least b’dieved, depending on the specific situation) a male doctor dealing with female patients.
The idea is that the issur is based on the concern that there will be improper thoughts, which is reduced by his mental involvement in the job he is doing.
This obviously has nothing to do with Shabbos.
The reason I asked about Shabbos was because I had noticed that people seem to be more OK with breaking shomer nagia for medical reasons than they are about breaking Shabbos. You cleared that up. I didn’t realize there was a legitimate halachic reason for that trend.
Still begs the question of why it doesn’t apply in other situations where the mental involvement in the job would [theoretically] prevent those thoughts. Eg. barbers, shaking hands at interviews, etc.
It actually does apply to other situations (e.g. barber), but since for the most part, despite it technically being muttar, the poskim frown upon it, it’s kind of reserved for cases of need. A haircut is just not that important.
Handshaking is a different story. The poskim who asser, according to my understanding, hold that it is inherently derech chibah so ???? ??????? doesnt apply.
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