Is it okay to marry a Zionist?

It’s a Mitzvah!!! She shouldn’t marry someone that doesn’t wait for Moshiach or doesn’t care about Eretz Yisrael

Is there something wrong with Satmar? Or even a shtikle satmar?

Let’s say he has a shtickle temper, or s stickle history if fighting with his neighbors?

She should marry him as then easily win him over by showing him kjchusid’s arguments.

KJC didn’t offer any arguments; he just reprinted​ Rav Weissmandel’s presentation.

Seeing as Zionism is not Judaism, I would be very alarmed if one of my children were intending to marry someone who is not practicing Judaism. That being said, not always is the correct response to try to exert control as this may have even greater disastrous consequences r”l

I’d marry a Satmar guy off to a Brisker girl.

You are correct, she should not be allowed to marry a Zionist. But there are a lot of things people are not allowed to do that there is no pragmatic way to stop them.

“It’s a Mitzvah!!! She shouldn’t marry someone that doesn’t wait for Moshiach or doesn’t care about Eretz Yisrael”

I’m not a zionist, but I wait for Mashiach and I care about Eretz Yisrael. In fact, I care so much that I am posting this out of Eretz Yisrael!

Is there a generally accepted definition of “Zionist”? I’ve tried to figure it out, without success.

As best as I can determine, it seems to be a flexible political term, like “Jewish State”.

What’s “shtickle” mean?

Regarding the op, personally, I wouldn’t say no to someone who is a shtickel zionist.
I think there are two basic issues:

1. What does it mean that he is a shtickel zionistic? Are there any practical ramifications, and if so, what are they? For example, if the guy would send his kids to the same schools as your daughter would and has the same type of Rav and wouldn’t dream of sending his son to the army, respects the (Chareidi) Gedolim and the Chareidim, and the only practical ramification is that he has a bar-b-que on Yom HaAtzmaut and/or says Hallel without a bracha, I don’t see what the big deal is.

2. #1 may have to be qualified depending on your daughter’s background/upbringing. When I wrote #2, I was thinking of myself. For me, coming from the background I am coming from and having the friends, social setting, and mentality that I have, it might not necessarily be such a big deal. My age also may make a difference.
On the other hand, if you are talking about a girl who is coming from a very insulated, super-Israeli-Chareidi background, it might be a bigger deal.

But even so, if she is happy and they have similar goals and values, and he has good middos, and #1 holds true, I wouldn’t recommend objecting.

Bookworm, Shtickle means “a little bit” or a piece. It is a Yiddish word. In an example above, someone said they want a sthickle chocolate cake, that means they want a piece of chocolate cake.

In the case of being a sthickle Zionist, it means the person being spoken about is a little bit Zionistic.

I don’t think it’s just semantics.
I thought (and still think) that he was trying to imply that someone who is not a zionist doesn’t care about EY.
Is that what you meant, Chaver? If not, please clarify, because it does sound like it.

Thanks!

Methinks DovidBT has hit the nail on the head:

Is there a generally accepted definition of “Zionist”?

If one is talking about the stream of Zionism that attempts to replace Judaism with secular nationalism, then Zionism is bad.

If one is talking about the stream of Zionism that loves Eretz Yisroel because it is the land in wich we can best serve Hashem, then Zionism is good.

If one lumps all of Zionism into one big boat and insists that it must all be labeled either the absolute kefira or one of the ikkurei emunah, Zionism is something to be debated ad nausem in the coffee room.

When Frum people talk about Zionism, they don’t usually mean either one or the other exactly although it probably has some aspect of both.

They are talking about some type of Religious Zionism which of course can mean many things.
At the smallest level, it would probably mean celebrating Yom HaAtzmaut in some fashion. At a larger level, it can mean sending ones’ sons to the army and/or daughters to Sheirut Leumi, it can reflect itself in the types of schools one sends his kids to and the type of Rabbanim he follows and the types of neighborhood he would live in.

Reb Yidd, if he is only a shtickle you should object.

LU, to where does a shitickle send his kids? Do they go to a Chariedi school until a certain age and then to a Zionistic school or vice versa. Do they go to a Charieidi school and have an after-school Zionist group or vice versa?

In any case, she does not have to listen. Rav Moshe Soloveichik objected to Rav Joseph Ber’s choice (her parents were maskilim – and they also objected). The latter wrote him a very respectful halachic teshuva proving this. RMS told his friend that his son was right.