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Like can you shear the sheep with shabbos switch shears? And dye the wool? And harvest with a shabbos switch combine?>
I think you were mechaven to R’ Moshe on Shabbos clocks.
Even if it were permitted to do these “malochos” on Shabbos with the Kosher Switch Tools, but at the end it’s still Boneh when its all put together.
You’re missing the most important new innovation, pba.
I’m waiting for a Shabbos switch lipstick…
That one will have me running out and getting in line with my wallet.
Cherrybim, I’m not sure I’m understanding you.
The fact that a melocho results does not have to mean that there’s an issur.
If I put up a cholent before Shabbos and it cooks on Shabbos, does that mean I was oiver on bishul, because the result is that bishul took place?
It’s assur, but not for the reason you seem to be saying.
The affront to ????? ???? which is constituted by the so-called Kosher Switch is no joking matter.
Our grandparents’ fight to maintain the dignity of Shabbos was against the work ethic of American society; ours is against the convenience ethic of American society.
I feel like a frog in a pot of warm water…
(Parenthetically, I must say that it would be an incredible waste of an opportunity to “cause the Beis HaMikdash to be built!”
It would be so much better to wait for the ??? ??? ????? so you can have the Mitzvah of building it yourself.)
the quote attributed to rav belsky shlita (see rabbi hoffmans article in the news section) is unfortunately how too many people view shabbos and why they would be quick to jump at an opportunity to insall such a switch in their home.
Catch yourself: You feel like a what?!?
Anyways your point is EXACTLY the Op’s view, and is his unique way of bringing it out.
And to add to the technicalities, in my view, if the action is not considered his own – to have been considered violating Shabbos, then the mitzvah of building the Bais Hamikdash isn’t either. As they say (I think in French) ha b’ha talya.
DY: Notwithstanding that it is assur, how is it like cooking a chulant where the “malacha” process is begun before Shabbos and continues as Shabbos comes in without you doing anything else to the cooking. With the KS Tools, you are doing/starting the “mutter” actions on Shabbos and upon the completion of the actions there is a new entity built (mishkan) which has nothing directly to do with the individual actions of the KS Tools.
It’s not really, but according to the inventor’s fallacious reasoning, that flipping the switch has no halachic significance, it is.
Your reasoning, that a resultant melocho makes it assur, is what I’m questioning, but we agree that it’s assur.
PBA, thanks for the clarification – I thought you meant on Shabbos
LF – Sorry about that…I realized too late that you might not like the analogy.
Anyway, I knew that the OP was of the same opinion. I was protesting the use of humor to make a valid point in this case, since the subject is so serious.
Je ne parle pas francais, but your opinion was exactly my point.
DY – It should be noted that since ????? ?????, [presumably, when the Beis HaMikdash will be built] we will follow ??? ????, in fact it will not be allowed to have your cholent cook on Shabbos unless you are mafkir your crackpot, because of ????? ????.
Catch yourself, just for further clarification, since you’re relatively new here (and I’ve appreciated your contributions, btw), when popa “clarifies”, take it with a grain of salt. For that matter, when popa does anything, take it with a grain of salt.
I don’t have a problem, btw, with using humor and exaggeration to demonstrate an aspect of the zilzul Shabbos this product would entail.
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