Is it mutar to listen to a shiur from your Rabbi on shabbos?

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  • #616668
    newbee
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    By this I mean, is it mutar to listen to a recording of a shiur your Rabbi gave during the week on shabbos from a recording started prior to shabbos.

    What if the audio quality is so good that when you close your eyes you cant even tell if your Rabbi is in the room speaking live or if its a recording.

    #1113213
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    How about a ball game?

    #1113214
    Joseph
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    How about watching a video of your rebbi? Or of 613 Torah Avenue.

    #1113215
    Torah613Torah
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    Is it muttar to be tovel if you have a sheretz in your hand?

    #1113216

    Question: is it mutar to tape a big HAZAN if you turn on the recorder before Shabbos or Yom Tov?

    #1113217
    Sam2
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    Torah: Yes, it’s just pointless.

    #1113218
    👑RebYidd23
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    Is it mutar to do something pointless?

    #1113219

    It’s not pointless the person loves his Rebbi shiur or his favorite chazzan

    #1113220
    555
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    RY23: You only get punished for the bitull torah not as a davar Assur.

    Probably includes the CR.

    #1113221
    Meno
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    How could you say the coffee room is bitul torah? We’re discussing a halachic shailoh right now!

    #1113222
    apushatayid
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    “Is it mutar to listen to a shiur from your Rabbi on shabbos?”

    In some shuls the people are very makpid and are machmir on this. As soon as the Rav starts speaking they fall asleep. Others, as an added chumra make sure to be out of the shul at the kiddush club long before he starts speaking so they dont hear a single syllable from him.

    #1113223
    Sam2
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    MA: I was clearly answering Torah’s question.

    #1113224
    newbee
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    “How about a ball game?”

    Why no serious answers? A ball game would obviously be zilzul shabbos.

    #1113225
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Why is it zilzul Shabbos?

    #1113226
    555
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    Meno: You shouldn’t be using the CR as your Posek.

    #1113227
    newbee
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    The commercials and music and imagery. Shabbos is meant to be quiet and peaceful.

    #1113228
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    So on the radio without commercials would be fine?

    #1113229
    apushatayid
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    If you define “day of rest” like a goy, as a day off from work, then sure, the ball game is fine. So is washing the car, a bbq at the beach with all the beer you could drink followed up by a trip to the mall. Lunch at the olive garden would only add to the oneg factor.

    #1113230
    newbee
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    DY, I would not. But I also would not play sports on shabbos either. Thats why I asked about listening to something that we listen to on shabbos anyway, like a shiur.

    Can you listen to a recording of someone laining that weeks parsha? This is literally the same thing you will be listening to in shule- only on a recorded format.

    So you can read a book on shabbos, but listening to an audiobook of the same exact book is assur?

    #1113231
    screwdriverdelight
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    turning it on before Shabbos should be assur because of mashmia kol.

    #1113232
    apushatayid
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    “but listening to an audiobook of the same exact book is assur?”

    I think Rav Aryeh Kaplan illustrated the great error in how melacha is defined as he opened one of his seforim on shabbos as follows. “A couple lives on the 17th floor (I dont remember the floow number but it is irrelevant) of a high rise building. When they come home after shul it is considered a “melacha” if they push the call button for the elevator, yet it is not considered work for them to walk up all 17 flights”.

    Is the question in this thread a melacha? Is is a zilzul shabbos in some way? If you derive pleasure from this activity do you get credit for oneg shabbos? Im not thoroughly familiar with all of hilchos shabbos and the nosei keilim to say definitively one way or another. I do follow the smell test though. This doesnt smell right to me.

    #1113233
    newbee
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    “turning it on before Shabbos should be assur because of mashmia kol.”

    What are you talking about. The kol is exactly the same. Only difference one comes out of vocal cords the other comes out of a speaker that sounds juts like vocal cords.

    #1113234
    screwdriverdelight
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    They’re two different kolos which sound the same.

    #1113235
    newbee
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    “They’re two different kolos which sound the same.”

    So whats the problem.

    #1113236
    oomis
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    Not sure what the answer is, though listening to a recording is uvda d’chol, which though not necessarily assur, certainly is not proper. But to compare it to toiveling with a sheretz in hand (which l’chatchilah posels the tevilah), is not appropriate.

    Can one listen to a TV program that goes on before Shabbos and the TV shuts itself off? Technically, maybe yes, but it would not be in keeping with the spirit of Shabbos. It’s a slippery slope to say, well, it’s divrei Torah, I feel like the rov is in the room with me, etc…If something is not in and of itself Shabbosdig, it might not be a good idea, even were it technically permissible. Ask your LOR, though. We are not poskim here.

    #1113237
    Sam2
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    newbee: The Rama says that doing something that normally entails a Melacha (in this case, electricity) that is Mashmia Kol is Assur on Shabbos.

    #1113238
    newbee
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    “The Rama says that doing something that normally entails a Melacha (in this case, electricity) that is Mashmia Kol is Assur on Shabbos”

    But you are not “doing” anything. It is being done prior to shabbos. And secondly that is when the sound sounds like a melacha sound, but in this case when the audio quality is so good what if it sounds like a person just talking or laining in the room.

    #1113239
    Hashemisreading
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    Even if it is technically mutar according to the letter of the law, it is definitely assur according to the spirit of the law.

    #1113240
    screwdriverdelight
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    But you are not “doing” anything. It is being done prior to Shabbos It’s forbidden to do it before Shabbos if it will make noise on Shabbos.

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