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to attend a St. Patricks Day meal? Is it a religious event?
i am very lenient- but a MEAL on that day? mmmm….does it celebrate the event? it might certainly be a major problem.
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Yes it is assur.
I would question the kashrus, as for the main fact of that ‘celebratory’ meal being held for that specific purpose would be suspect.
Isn’t it just an opportunity for people to celebrate or party, not really observed these days as a religious event?
Would you say the same about a Christmas party or an Easter Parade?
The Wolf
Does anyone in the US celebrate St Patricks Day as anything other than corned beef, cabbage, soda bread and alcohol?
I have no clue what St Patricks Day actually is.
For those hosting the party, it probably has some religious significance. Are you asking because you want to party? Do we not have enough holidays of our own, do we have to celebrate extra goyish holidays? Can’t you hold out for another week till Purim?
If it is a business situation IMHO tell them that you can’t really make it but you will try to stop in to say hello. If it is friends let them know that you don’t celebrate St. Patricks day and unless you are “lunching” in a glatt kosher restaurant you really can’t attend.
“Is it a religious event? “
Yes. It is an official Catholic feast day and has been for centuries.
There is another secular holiday, celebrated in parts of Massachusetts, that happens to fall on March 17: Evacuation Day. It commemorates the day that the British Army left Boston for good, which happened to be March 17, 1776. There has been a move to eliminate this holiday in order to save money.
I have no clue what St Patricks Day actually is.
A feast day in the Catholic Church in honor of St. Patrick, the patron saint of Ireland.
I don’t know for sure, but I would be highly surprised if St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York (and other similarly named churches worldwide) did not have a special mass on St. Patrick’s Day.
The Wolf
I would be really shocked, if it were mutar. Ask your Rov.
If the food is free, does that make it okay even if it’s not kosher?
there are probably circumstances for which a Rav will allow it, if certain conditions are met.
obviously a personal shailah should be asked
Not taking on goyish holidays is a chumrah? Sorry I didn’t know that!
Ah ok Wolf. I just always associated the day with drunkards who turn the river in Pearl River green 🙂
its the green day holiday!!
Not taking on goyish holidays is a chumrah? Sorry I didn’t know that!
Anything which someone doesn’t keep is a chumrah to them.
double standard — any practical question of “is it assur?” should obviously be addressed to a rav/ Posek, not an online forum!
BTW — attending x-mas holiday parties at work is not such a simple situation halachicly –don’t assume that just because frum people do it there are no issues. The individual circumstances of their sha’alah may make a difference. I was told different things different years by my Posek when I had the “December party” dillema, and there were many factors he took into consideration, including whether or not a significant number of the attendees observed x-mas (i.e. was it a generic “holiday party” or a specific “x-mas party”), what the impact to my job would be if I did not attend (including subtle impact on my working relationship with co-workers), whether it took place during working hours or after hours, etc.
If there was no pressing need for you to attend (you make it sound that you just want the free food), I would be very surprised if a rav would give you a heter.
double standard~ “By partaking in a meal on St. Patty’s your not taking on the holiday, your just eating the food”
meal, food, St. Patty’s: all operative words.
years ago I went to a business St. Patty’s party uptown, with large picture windows overlooking the parade. all the food & hor d’oeuvres & wines were definitely treife. I had a drink & left, as I knew this wasn’t my scene, but for business purposes I had shown my face.
as I said previously (in other words)– I doubt your meal would be kosher; any observant Jews wouldn’t be making this party in the first place. JMO.
To say that I claim that taking on goyish holidays is such a distortion of what i wrote.
You’re right; I apologize for my implicit agreement.
Double standard, unless you are pulling our leg, don’t you understand that by eating at this meal you give recognition to what it stands for?
“What’s wrong with eating some avoda zora korban meat that my Cana’ani neighbour brought? Besides, it’s free.” — Get my point?
DS:
everyone answered you. you dont like the answer. why did you ask the question here?
looks like you had your mind all set already
im not sure what you wanted, everyone to agree with you or you wanted to criticize everyone who didnt
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