Is Bais Yaakov BP before closing?

Although it is NOT my alma-mater I can’t imagine the neighborhood/community allowing it to close. it is an institution not just a school. It is a huge part of BP history, it would be a true bizayon of the graduates of the school who number in the thousands and probably tens of thousands will stand by and allow it to close. That is truly a sad commentary on today’s society.

Strong taynos on their handling of crucial family matters,not surprised running into problems of their own.

I am forever grateful to BYBPHS for accepting my youngest daughter when all the other high schools wouldn’t because she was not a ‘top’ student. <B’s weren’t acceptable?!?!> (her elementary school’s HS had closed down.) she flourished there academically, thanks to the Ichud program.. altho’ she felt veryy stigmatized to be in it.

and yes, I try to “put my money where my mouth is.” hakoras hatov.

” how long will Boro Park need a Bais Yaakov thats that big? “

Excellent point. What will likley happen is the strong arm of chassidus will step up to the plate, shower the place with fresh $ and fresh ideas, and the school wil go forward.

The “existing” BYOB girls (and staff) will either conform to the “new” rules of the game, or move on.

I should know. I was faced with the same choice, and chose to play be the new rules of the BP game. Those of us who would not, moved on.

Don’t have to like it.. you just have to accept it.

$ and clout talks, and all else walks.

oh, ok– thank you! (maybe it should be removed, Mod?)

bpt, I think it has nothing to do with $$$. BP is becoming more and more chasidish, due to the litvish crowd moving to lkwd, monsey etc. Each Chasidus has its own school. Bobov, Bais Brocha etc. For those that are chasidish but dont belong to a specific chasidus, you have Bais Sura, Tomer Devora, Gan Yisroel. A communal school like BYBP now belongs in Lakewood. (just like it started in Williamsburg, but lost its place there so moved to BP, the BP era for a BY type school is just about over…)

Now that Rabbi Shapiro is not at the helm of the school, I am taking my daughters out for next year. I do not trust the chinuch of my daughters with a group of young and inexperienced people.

MOM 24

I truly believe this is the end of our beloved BYBP.

do you know any good schools I can send my daughters for next year?

Sing Song, “Shame on the Board of BYBP and anyone else who was involved with causing him to make this decision to leave”.

By and large, the wealthy former BYBP parents are no more! They were replaced by the middle income, if that, Kensington Litvish and quasi-Chassidish. In over 30 years R’ Shapiro had some wage increases, so if it was a matter of holding on to multiple teachers a year (so that class size wouldnt be outrgeously high), and letting him go, thats what was decided. It’s the MONEY, honey!

Would you want your child in a class of 50+ kids? Can you help pay his salary? If someone would have stepped forward and offered to pay, he’d have stayed.

to all you knockers who are pulling your kids out of bybp, where are you putting them?! It’s hard to get into many of the other schools. Bybp still has 6 classes of approx. 30 kids in a grade with a full preschool feeding into the elementary school ba”h. Bybp is a community school with a mandate to accept all frum girls. Instead of rushing to pull your kids out why don’t you find out how to help. Maybe if parents would work on raising money as opposed to complaining about every penny the school requests things would be different.

The teachers of the school encouraged a new inexperienced board to look into financial difficulties. Their inexperience has led them to begin the downfall of the best run school in Brooklyn. Rabbi Shapiro’s leaving is just the beginning of their mistakes. He knew how to run a school. Now these same teachers will probably see their salaries cut and many will not have jobs. Good Luck to the new board.

Why are sitting on the side and allowing this to happen to our BYBP.

Why cant we all as parents of daughters in BYBP beg Rabbi Shapiro to come back and return the school to normalcy. Why do we have to let our school be run by young know-nothing individuals. I would not want to be in Rabbi Ehrenreichs shoes right now, there probably working behind his back to have him replaced as we speak!!!!!

MODERATORS NOTE: Our question is, why you AND your husband feel the need to sign up with multiple usernames to prove your points?

Why I Bother, Im out of the school for a while and have zero connection, but if you can find 10 people who are willing to share the cost of his salary, you think he wouldnt happily come back? He loved his job.

If “parents in the know” like yourself, knew what was in store for the school if he leaves, why didnt they brainstorm and pay his salary? Why cry over spilled milk? Raise the funds!

All the people in BP complain about the tuition. Do they know what it is like in the rest of the world? Full tuition is less than $5k in BYBP. And most are not paying close.

If full tuition in my schools were $5k, I would be very happy; but it is not a sustainable amount.

BYBP built a new building at the height of the boom. Economy hits, the demographics change in BP, and it is even harder to collect money during the recession.

I do not envy the person who is given the job to try to right this ship.

It is not easy to take over without any form of transition between the old captain and the new captain.

As long as mechanchim will not have a say on the chinuch in any school then schools will go down the drain. No plumber in the world will be able to fix this big pipe that just burst.

Many people at Bais Yakov had their salaries slashed and some were fired but the one person that is the focus in any conversation from the many people who left,forced out,retired,fired, or resigned is Rabbi Shapiro. The reason why everyone is so focused on Rabbi Shapiro is because he is loved and any parent of the bais yakov knows that he stood up for parents and teachers and always did the right thing for the school.

Rabbi Shapiro is the scape goat for the schools problem and does the board really eblieve they would keep this quiet and nobody would know that Rabbi Shapiro was forced out?

The chutzpah for the board to embarass Rabbi Shapiro and the parent body is not forgiveable. Wether we agree with the decision or not is it right for the board to do this in middle of the year?

Did the board ask a shailoh to any of our esteemd gedolim in eretz yisroel? the answer is no. There are a few board members and i only spoke to one and that one person admitted to me the decision was made amongst themselves.

How about bais yakov cutting the waste and a cut for some salaries but to slash everything in half does not make sense. if someones salary is 500,000 a year and it’s cut 50% nobody would argue about it. What do people think most of the people effected are making a year already?

A teacher told me her salary was cut from 10,000 a year to 5,000 a year. How does anyone expect our kids to learn with teachers that are not paid,not experienced and the morale is terrible? Can someone explain the logic with what these board members are doing?

I was also told by this board member that next year some classes will have 40 to 45 kids in a class. I hope this was a joke but if this is what bais yakov will do to the parent body I would rather have my kids in the nearest public school then put up with this garbage.

Just to let everyone know, Rabbi Shapiro was the only administrator in New York City that pushed to accept kids that no other yeshiva wanted and not because there was anything wrong with these kids. The bottom line is Rabbi Shapiro SAVED OUR kids while other jerks create kids at risk. We are losing a mentch and a great honest and full of integrity type of person.

Shame on the board. Shame on all of you.

If the board thinks this issue will just go away let me warn you that the truth will come out and your not going to like it. We won’t farshmutz anyone but we will put the facts out and your not going to like it because it will be the TRUTH.

Is Rabbi Shapiro being paid chodesh l’shana?

If Rabbi Shapiro is so beloved, why aren’t parents doing more to pay more in tuition, rather than rely on scholarships?

I have zero connection to Wolf, but do you think that he has something against Rabbi Shapiro or is looking to be on everyone’s hit list? How would all those here deal with the ONE problem the school has- NO MONEY? Its NOT Wolf and its NOT Shapiro. Which business can survive with NO MONEY? By the way this was predicted years ago and now aggravated by a bad economy. A handful of millionaires cant hold up a Goliath of a school.

Read my lips:

N O~~~~M O N E Y !!!

Hey!!!! Anyone remember this mailbag on YWN not too long ago?! http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=70046

” every day I wonder what Im doing in BP. “

OfCourse –

I don’t know your particular circumstances, but in my case, I am still here because despite all the drawbacks and compromises and changes I and my family needed to make, it was done because there were enough reasons to stay.

Still, there’s a greater than 98% chance that we’ll be in Lakwood before the decade is over (unless Yerusholayim is 1st) and the big bldg on 14th ave? May still have the BY name on it, but managament, staff and students will be a whole ‘nother story.

Funny thing is, the bldg on 15th ave is already occupied by one of the chassidishe powerhouses as a weekend rental, so they are closer to takeover than many realize.

And for those who forgot history, Williamsburg (yes, that williamsburg) was at one point non-chassidish.

The demographics changed and the shift in power was not far behind.

And as far as “consulting the gedolim” most likely the new board did. They just consulted different gedolim than you and I consult.

Either way, its their wallet, so they get to speak loudest.

SJSinNYC – I spoke with a Board Member who was pretty embarrassed to even be associated with this Board right now. He told me that most of the Board had no idea that this was going down. It was basically this Wolf character (whom I don’t know, but really would not want to be in his shoes now or after 120) and one or two other board members. They felt that they could do a better job managing the school with one of their friends sitting in the Administrators seat instead of someone who actually knew what was doing and might not agree with everything they say.

I’m appalled.

to Why I Bother

I was shocked and hurt when I read you vile public attack on Reb R. Wolf. Reb R. wolf is one of the biggest balei chesed in BP, who spends most of his waking hours helping yidden.

No I am not in his employ, I am also not a litvisher sticking up for him.

I am a Chasidishe Yingerman who is familier with some of R. Wolf’s gevaldige chesed projects.

I am Moicha against this brazen smear campaign that you attemted to start, but fortunatly the CR members didnt fall for it.

Also after seeing the MOD comments , we all know how seriosly to take your comments.

bpt, my reasons to stay were mostly my parents a”h, who are no longer alive. Now it’s convenience (near subways and shopping) and economics (the income producing house), oh, and the variety of banks on every block. I love the smell of money. Hee hee.

Ofcourse,

To quote you “I love the smell of money. Hee hee.” This seems to clearly explain your position throughout the comments.

Why Do I Even Bother

Again:

To those who want the school to run the way they want:

As I have said before, if you show them the money, they will follow. Feel bad that you don’t have it, not that those who actually pay the bills do what thye think is best.