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The Ben Ish Hai gave his derashot in it. Even small children were so awed that they sat quietly for hours.
How long do you plan on keeping this up? Might I suggest Klingon as your next one?
Is Hungarian holy? What about Judeo-Fez?
Hebrew is not Lashon Hakodesh, and was/is actually quite divisive.
Ivrit is not loshon kodesh.
Hebrew absolutely is lashon hakodesh. But ivrit isn’t
“My point in all this is that there is only one holy language. One language that unites all of Am Yisrael. That language is Hebrew.”
Wow, no way, that’s your point? I never would have guessed that; it definitely took this many threads to get that across.
I get people not agreeing with Avi’s agenda, but what’s with people saying Hebrew isn’t Lashon Hakodesh?
Are you talking about Loshon Kodesh or are you talking about Ivrit?
It is called loshan hakodesh because it has no dirty words.
Is it written in Hebrew script?
“Neville, the Klingons did teshuva. Where they stand a tzaddik gamur cannot stand”
Regarding Baalei teshuva That is incorrect ,thougha pervasive mistake .
cf. Chovos Helevavos“but what’s with people saying Hebrew isn’t Lashon Hakodesh? ”
A.it’s a polyglot
B.It’s pronunciation and other sleight of hands was enacted in order to separate it from Lashon Hakodesh.
C.Some distinguished jews used to call it “Achshavit” as (achshav) i.e.this present languageRE: This Thread
If written in foreign letters (e.g Arabic) that negates it out of hand
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,too much crudity was performed and sung in these dialects. Still am willing to leave this up other posters (minus those obvious agenda)Oh, you’re talking strictly about modern, Israeli Hebrew.
So, the argument is basically that every language ever used by the Jews gains a status of Lashon haKodesh with the exception of Hebrew?
Neville ChaimBerlin, everyone would agree that Ivrit has some value (unless one is satmar) So that’s moot.
Question is if it should have more than that.Avi K,
3.nu nu..hyperbole
4.That is rude besides ignorant ( What I will grant is “Some distinguished jews” is bit exaggerated .probably not more than 2 or 3)
5. awaiting that line of attack.
Which was more the exception and/or which was more the rule?Modern Hebrew did the same, but worse, because from Lashon Hakodesh, r”l.
Avi: Not true. There are multiple examples of real Hebrew words that are used as swears today. Obviously, we can’t give any examples here.
Zionist pronunciation does not align with any pre-existing mesora. The fact that you single out Ashkenazi pronunciation for rebuke rather than Teimani or authentic Sphardi (which also aren’t the same as Israeli) is just indicative of the fact that the early Zionists were self-hating Ashkenazim who instilled that school of thought in their movement for generations.
Avi K,
My perspective on these threads: For many Ashkenazim, especially Chassidim, Yiddish is regarded as an important element of their culture. And your derision of Yiddish and other Ashkenazic practices in favor of Israeli or Sefardic ones is perceived as an attack on that culture.
If your problem is that some people conflate Ashkenazic/Chassidic culture with Judaism as a whole, thus perceiving other Jewish cultures as “less than”, I agree 100% that this should be opposed. But that is not how you are coming across. You seem to be going to the opposite extreme – trying to paint Ashkenazim as “less than” via your Chacham Ovadia ZT”L quotations, calling Yiddish insulting names, etc.
You seem to have a great desire to see the Jewish people as a whole come back to Eretz Yisroel. But if someone feels that his dialect will be mocked, that his choice of headwear will inspire hatred, and his family customs despised in Israel, isn’t that counter-productive to your goal? I understand that you have been made to feel the same way, but do two wrongs make a right?
As a side point – it’s clear from reading Shoftim that the Jewish shevatim spoke with different dialects even before the first Beis Hamikdash was built!
Better than any other,the glorious greenhouse for steamy fiery greatness over the past few hundred years was NE Europe.
Acknowledging that causes some to have intestinal angst.Very destabilizing for them.It is worth noting that the lofty edifice did lacked strong pillars underneath it. Therefore in the coming cataclysm much of the pillars were knocked from underneath causing most of the steamy edifice to collapse. The Yekkes, for a contrast, had better,more rigorous pillars but unable to build such a lofty glorious canopy
iircThere was a process in the 1920s and 30s to synthesize the two called Kovno OrthodoxieIt is Time for Truth,
“Better than any other,the glorious greenhouse for steamy fiery greatness over the past few hundred years was NE Europe.
Acknowledging that causes some to have intestinal angst.Very destabilizing for them.”I am not foolish enough crane my neck up towards our giants in Torah and presume to judge them.
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