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Do you think an iPad is a kosher proposition for a cousin’s bar mitzva present? Please reply, as this is kinda urgent…
nahhhh.. kids have waayyyy too much access to anything. Even a very good kid could mess up at any time you know – “Al taamin b’atzmicha..”
I would suggest the new nano – it’s really cool, takes videos. the orange one looks really nice, as well as the green one
ofcource just fill it with shiurim and jewish music… and only if he doesnt have anything like that already.
since when is a bar mitzvah about ipads and nanos????
Well, if you will give your Bar Mitzva bochur a PSP or GameBoy or iPod or Computer or cell-pone with full internet connection, then there is the same problem as with a iPad.
The iPad is basically a iPod Touch with a much bigger screen. And a better (much better) internet connection.
If you want to give your 13 year old male cousin a “toy” where he can see and watch anything that he wants, then go ahead!
I think it’s totally crazy that nowadays every 12 year old is walking around with an ipod altogether! They’re spoiled kids! Maybe a teen can ask for something like an ipod or in that range but why anyone would give a thirteen year old kid this little screen that he can access practically anything in the world on is beyond me. I simply don’t understand why people complain about their kids being spoiled or going off if this is what they’re giving. I think a nice set of sefarim is something to give for a bar mitzva-not ipods and surely not an ipad. (even teens are massively spoiled if they’re getting ipads-they’re a fortune!!!)
ya i agree ipads are very expensive… but if u were looking for that price range maybe a nano AND a nice ipod speaker system to go with it… thats a present i wish i had!
A Torah Temimah is a bar mitzvah gift for life.
Mommy,
Far be it from me to tell you how to spend your own money… but since you asked:
Generally speaking, as the parent of three teens, I feel that an Ipad is too much for a bar mitzvah present. Those things start at about $500.
That being said, I am generally of the opinion that a gift should suit the occasion. A Bar Mitzvah is (or should be, anyway) a spiritual occassion, marking an important milestone in the young man’s religious life. As such, I’ve always felt that a religiously themed gift is the best way to go (although, I’ll admit, that I’ve often given cash as well when I didn’t have the time to look for something more appropriate).
But that’s just my own $1/50.
The Wolf
Mommy,
Wolf: I never knew your mother was posting here too… Kewl!
volvie, iPad — Kosher? (10 posts)
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He was answering “Mommy613″‘s question
Heh, if only. My mother has never been on-line in her life.
Besides, I don’t call my mother “Mommy.” She’s been “Mom” for a looooooong time.
The Wolf
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Heh, if only. My mother has never been on-line in her life.
Besides, I don’t call my mother “Mommy.” She’s been “Mom” for a looooooong time.
The Wolf
Wolf, dear, is that you?
for every bar mitzvah boy (and bas mitzvah) there is an approprite sefer, whether it be a peirush on Chumash, sifrei halacha, English translations, rishonim and achronim . . . an iPad? the bar mitzvah gift is an opportunity to reinforce what matters – seforim, tashmishei kedusha, etc –
You can probably get apps for the iPad with all kinds of sefarim, it can be great for learning on the go
It is a nice idea but the question is, will the boy actually use the Shas or will he just use it for games, Internet, etc.
Will he be supervised to make sure he is using it properly and not abusing it.
Why not give him the money instead? It can be in the form of a bond, too.
This way his parents can decide whether he needs an iTalmud program.
Is it your job to test how he will use his free will?
yes, i have the italmud on an ipod-touch and i use it often, if you have any questions you can ask me
Just realize that this gift may prove to be a tremendous nisayon for your cousin, and, while it may elevate him, it may more easily lower his grades and, indeed, tear him away from life.
I work with teenagers (albeit girls), and I know what I’m talking about.
mommy 613-you wanted us to reply tour q. it happens to be that the only way we actually go online is bcz of sumones ipad…and yea he got the italmund on it…but to be tottaly emesdik with u…once theirs internet on it u get so distracted that you dont end up using the italmund…but it does come in handy when ur going on a trip and everyone else has to carry their seforim or siddurim and the bocher who has the ipad just brings that along with him… so their are maaylois and chesroinois to it…u have to know ur child if having an ipad is just going to aid him in his learning and hes not the type to get distracted like most of us then maybye it would be a great idea.
By the way Mazal Tov. Soon Shavuot, so Chag Sameach.
rp- For every person who became a better Jew, (fill in the number) became a far worse Jew.
rp- For every person who became a better Jew, (fill in the number) became a far worse Jew.
0.1?
Seriously, how do you know that more people became worse Jews because of Apple instead of better?
The Wolf
Oh son, your support is much appreciated.
Kidding aside, if you go back to page 1, you’ll see I recommended *against* getting an Ipad.
The Wolf
From Mommy613 on the other thread: “Why is a 13-year-old, on an iPad with parental controls less safe than you on that machine you are using?”
And let’s say they are both dangerous, one dangerous activity doesn’t justify the other. Parental controls can be overcome by a clever 13 year old. And furthermore secularly designed parental controls, even if not bypassed, are hardly sufficient for keeping out the trash from a Bar Mitzvah bochor’s young skull full of mush (as my radio friend would say.)
An ipad- wow I wish we were related!!!
mommy613
i just want to let you know taht if you buy this bar mitzvah boy a ipad you may be messing up his life.im a teen and i have friends who have had and still have ipod touches (which are small ipads) .firstly they are addicting and secondly him being a 13 year old kid he is sure to figure out a way to break passwords you might set to block internet,youtube etc.so my advice having been there done that is dont get him one,unless you dont mind having even a minute chance of messing his life up
Besides for the fact that he can totally get messed up on the internet, why give a thirteen-year-old an expensive item like an ipad? Isn’t that spoiled? That alone could ruin someone! In addition, it is extremely addicting.Gobs is 100% right!!!! Yes, maybe he can also access things like italmud or whatever torah programs they have but he can also access things that nobody should have access to-especially not a teen.
mommy613, every mesechta in shas is available, u can see the tzuras hadaf nicely and cleary on the screen, u can zoom in zoom out and move around the daf. There is a shiur on every amud gemara in shas. its divided up by amudim. its a bekiyus shiur. the magid shiur is very good. u can make bookmarks so that when u come back nextime to italmud u can go back to the place ur up to right away. u can purchase english translation for an additional 5 dollars, i did and its pretty good. u can see the daf in either the tzuras hadaf or regular text. any other specific questions?
y do u have to buy such expensive things for a bar mitzva?? and since its not a neccesity why not let the kid buy iy wen hes older and can afford it??
HIE, please tell Mommy whether you are a 13 year old boychik.
forget about HIE, i bet “mommy” is just a teen bored curious as well!
I’m trying to compile a list for the boys parents
I thought this was your kid.
If this is someone else’s kid, I *strongly* urge you check with the kid’s parents before buying it for him.
The Wolf
Mommy613, You seem more intent on justifying what you intended to do, rather than seek the pitfalls being placed upon this poor bar mitzvah bachor.
without the four digit passcode we ‘lock’ the settings
Hmmm. 10,000 possibilities.
Devote 10 minutes per day doing, say, one every twenty seconds. Do that six days a week. The kid will have the code for certain in a year (and, in all likelihood, about half that time).
The Wolf
To reiterate, this is a cousin’s Bar Mitzva present
(My brother is his father)
Silly nitpick: Doesn’t that make him your nephew, not a cousin?
The Wolf
it is so easy to get rid of the block on the ipod touch and ipad i guess and it doesnt take a genius kids can always get around things easily
mommy- since ur such an electronics aficionado, dont u know the kid can easily reset the pad to factory settings thereby effectively destroying all you “carefully placed gedeiros”?!!!
He basically said the kid can easily overcome any password or other settings you place on the iPad and gain full access to the uncensored internet and whatever else can be accessed on an unprotected iPad.
in plain english: your passwords and blocks are useless once this nephew/cousin or whatever “he” is to you chances upon the ‘reset to factory settings’ button and finds out he can access all of gehinnom from his lap. it probably wont take long until he goes off the derech completely- i’d give him no more than a few months. but by all means, please go ahead and buy this helpful, nifty little device for your brother- im sure his neshoma appreciates it.
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