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“Perhaps that was the RBSO’s plan to get the Bashert’s together?”
I didnt finish all shas(yet), so I can not say this definitvely, but am reasonably certain that even though harbeh shluchim lamakom, this is not one of them.
I know it’s Adar but surely there are limits to the the craziness.
Tanach has stranger stories, such as Yehudah and Tamar.
The Queen,
Taking that spirit to it’s conclusion
is
in opposition to what hold dear and dangerous
When in Na”ch did the the Nivi”im refrain from castigating sinners or even grayish area
and instead said
like you??
If moshiach will be born of this union then I’ll grant you, it was bashert.
IiTfT,
Writing your post like this
surely
does not improve the quality.
Time for truth: Right. NOT recommended.
One of my rabbeim advises couples to only host family until they have children. Not because of jealousy or any of the other reasons mentioned, but simply because it is a time for a husband and wife to be together.
No, Joseph, she just judged others le’kaf zechus and according to their chezkas kashrus.
Birdson, perhaps Israelis are different from my observations new marrieds very often go to their parents for Shabbat. Veterans in the community also like to invite new residents in order to get to know them.
AviK, among chasidim it is traditional for the first year of marriage to alternate between sets of parents for Shabbos. I don’t think this is the point of this thread.
After you jave kids, it’s messed up to thing you shouldn’t be having shabbos guests. It’s hack soon or him, sip making everything a big issue. My parents always have people over and we have an awesome time. Chill out
why shouldnt you invite over your other married friends?
After you jave kids, it’s messed up to thing you shouldn’t be having shabbos guests. It’s hack soon or him, sip making everything a big issue. My parents always have people over and we have an awesome time. Chill out
When come back, bring English.
The Wolf
What jealously? OBVIOUSLY your wife has to be agreeable. Guests at table is how people get to know one another and network for dating.
Wolf – he’s a kid, give him a break. He wrote somewhere that he’s in elementary school
Isn’t there an age limit in the coffee room? If not, there should be
Meno, that did occur to me. I didn’t agree with the posters who thought that the teenage post-high school girls didn’t belong, but there is a big difference between a post-high school girl and an elementary school boy.
I’m not sure it’s so appropriate for an elementary school boy to be here.
Wolf, by the way, I always think your comments make sense.
Meno- i agree. most sites make age limits but not yeshiva world.
don wori i am babbi stil
What does it mean when you click on a username and you get an error saying “user not found”?
Is it because they used to have a different username and their profile page is still under their old name?
If you’re too young to drink coffee, you don’t belong in the coffee room.
yehudayona – very funny.
That can’t be the reason because that’s what happens when I click on my own username and I never had another username.
I guess I’m a figment of my own imagination.
Meno, it usually means there is a space in the username.
“why can’t the ‘guest wife’ help in the kitchen? “
Why can’t the husbands help in the kitchen?
So then they have no profile page? Or do you just have to modify the address?
The kitchen is the wife’s quarters and job.
charliehall – good question. who are you asking?
Never mind, you just replace the %20 with a dash
Joseph – who says?
5,000 years of history and traditional roles of men and women.
Joseph: Rav Pam TZATZAL was asked a question about husbands helping their wives cook. He responded – As long as my wife worked in the public school system I made the potato kugel for shabbos.
My response is customized for the audience and conversation. Charlie equalized the guest wife helping in the kitchen with the guest “husbands” helping in the kitchen. His intention was egalitarianism (as he makes clear in his voluminous posting history). That is anathema to Jewish values.
Joseph: “5,000 years of history and traditional roles of men and women.”
That’s why the guy has to pick up the girl…
I hadn’t read Charlie’s post so I didn’t realize he was talking about guest husbands. I think the problem with that is that it’s not tznius since the hostess is most likely the main person in the kitchen even if her husband helps.
I agree with you that egalitarianism is not Jewish, but I do think that men should help in the kitchen, and in general. Exactly how things are divided depends on the couple and what works for them, and there is no right or wrong way.
I have found that in most homes, the women and girls serve and the men and boys clear.
I’m going into 8th grade but I love the coffe room, it has a bunch of things I’ve always wondered about
Read Sefer Habayis by Rabbi Yosef Lerner on hospitality of the home. Very paramount to know.
Guests at the table enough times can earn the bracha of Avraham Ovinu himself. It also atones for one’s transgressions, and it is vital to escort guests out the door even a short distance.
Yehudayona……….
My mother Z”L died last year at 93 years of age. Whenever she was offered coffee by a waiter or host she’d reply: “I’m not old enough to drink coffee.” She never tasted it. My brother tasted it in April for the first time on his 70th birthday. My 67 year old sister has never tasted coffee.
I am typing this as I have my 8th cup of the day
Coffee is an addiction like smoking or drugs or alcohol. When you have you are calm, when you don’t you are edgy.
I have never drunk coffee. Too smart for that.
Charlie equalized the guest wife helping in the kitchen with the guest “husbands” helping in the kitchen. His intention was egalitarianism (as he makes clear in his voluminous posting history). That is anathema to Jewish values.
It’s not an anathema. It’s proper derech eretz. Maybe it’s written in your ketuba that the kitchen is your wife’s quarters and job, but it’s not written in our ketuba . . . and I doube it’s written in anyone elses, either.
takahmamash, Nowhere did Joseph write that men helping in the kitchen is anathema to Jewish values. He wrote that egalitarianism is anathema to Jewish values. Apparently, based on things that Charlie has written in the past, Joseph felt it was reasonable to assume that he (she?)was coming from a position of egalitarianism and was attacking the concept that there are differences between men and women. The issue was not the specific example but the intention behind it.
I haven’t been in the CR that long, but I did look at some old threads, and if I’m not mistaken, Charlie is Open Orthodox and a follower of Avi Weiss. I believe that Rabbanim from the entire spectrum of the Orthodox world have declared that Open Orthodoxy is not Orthodox, hence, one is obligated to come out against positions that are coming from that hashkafa.
Ps to previous post: I just located the original post from Charlie. Personally, it doesn’t sound to me like it was coming from any kind of hashkafe – it sounds like a simple statement that men can help in the kitchen, which is true.
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