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    Can we be inspired by all music Jewish and Secular?

    Are secular tunes elevated if they’re sung with Hebrew/Yiddish words?

    Can a chazzan use secular tunes in davening or nigunim?

    #974992
    pixelate
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    #974993
    yitayningwut
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    1) Yes.

    2) Sometimes they are elevated, but sometimes the opposite happens. If the idea of the song remains secular, sticking in pesukim is degrading to the pesukim.

    3) Yes.

    #974994
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    guessing those threads discussed secular music. Have you found inspiration from secular music? Is that wrong?

    #974995
    Sam2
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    I have found some non-Jewish songs inspirational when I have had occasion to hear them.

    #974996
    lakewood001
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    Dylan has some of the most inspirational songs ever written.

    Every grain of sand.

    Forever Young.

    I could name a ton more if you like those

    #974997
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    Some of the Dylan songs are based on Judeo-Christian verses. Would those be allowed to use as inspiration if they refer to J?

    #974998
    r9913
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    Adele is irreplaceable, you can take inspiration from everyone, including secular singers. If they bring you closer. why not?

    #974999
    r9913
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    Adele is irreplaceable, you can take inspiration from everyone, including secular singers. If they bring you closer. why not?

    #975000
    ikno
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    r9913- what are they bringing you closer to? the question is what was the song intended for and that is clearly seen on how it impacts your body, what parts it moves.

    if its wild and makes your body move in inappropriate ways, then it is not kosher. but, if it does nothing to you in the wrong ways and the words are ok, then there’s technically nothing wrong with it.

    i once asked my rav this question being that i teach music, and he told me that there is no psak on this, music is a sensitivity that each person has to decide for themselves.

    but i agree with you that some of the songs can most definitely move you, take “keep holding on” by avril lavigne…. there’s no words for the beauty of the song….

    #975001
    r9913
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    You’re right. it is a sensitivity,and “keep holding on” is stunning!

    #975002
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    that makes sense it’s how the music affects you, do you teach secular classics?

    #975004
    Burnt Steak
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    When I’m feeling down I sometimes listen to secular music and it cheers me up. granted that the music is not always peppy music and it is sometimes singing about very depressing topics, but I like that type of music and I feel like it sucks away my sadness and pain.

    #975005
    ikno
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    popup, some of them

    burnt steak- i ttly see where you come from, and its okay as long as its not taking the fact that your feeling down, down a wrong road….meaning a wild song to bring out animalistic traits…

    #975006
    ikno
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    popup some chasidic rebbes took russian marches and composed zmiros with them. they took the tunes and elevated the machsavos behind them for the most holy music…. its a possibilty.

    #975007
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    I heard that some nigunim or zemiros trace back to Russian marches. So I’m wondering if you could do that with contemporary secular music.(not just singing but as a Chazan in shul)

    #975008
    ikno
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    well it depends which secular music you are referring to and how secular it sounds. take the gagnam for example. people use it at weddings and dance to it for simchas chosson and kallah. is it wild? by all means yes. is it wrong? no

    but does it deduct from the kedusha of a jewish wedding? personally i think so…..

    its all about the hows and whys

    #975009
    popup
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    If you know the song gagman then for sure it takes away from the kedusha. I’m guessing some of the guests don’t, but it’s a great dancing song without the words right?

    #975011
    Burnt Steak
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    popup one of the only reasons it was popular was because of the guys voice.

    #975012
    ikno
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    its great dancing music popup, but is it jewish dancing music? its not a wrong or right here……

    burnt steak, the guys voice played a big role, but as soon as people hear the first few chords and the techno, they go wild….its a wild song.

    #975013
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    Right. His voice made it a big hit, I have it in my head right now, I guess it was elevated though

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