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What is the best attraction in that area?
What is the best attraction in that area?
Don’t know. We really didn’t do a lot of traveling. We spent most of the time at the resort. We did, however, go to a candle factory (sorry, it was almost ten years ago — I don’t remember where or the name) in the area.
The Wolf
Is this resort very special or should I try to find something nicer?
Hello kitty- I find ceasars to be pretty old and spooky. For this price you can get much nicer hotels. One thing I loved about it was the private pool in the room.
It depends on what you’re looking for. If you’re looking for a low-key quiet romantic getaway with your spouse, then yes. If you’re looking for a 5-star resort with all the glitz and glam where you can hit all the hot spots, then it’s not for you.
The Wolf
I like nice 5 star hotels but when I tried to search on-line I couldnt find any special hotels. Most hotels I saw are 2 or 3 star rated and very uneventful. I dont take vacation that often so I would rather pay a bit to find something special. Can anyone help me??
“and we had a room with our own private pool (not very large, but still private and ours).”
We talked about mixed swimming before. Its still assur.
“They make accommodations for kosher meals (you get the airline-style meals).”
How do you know their not openeing them up before heating making them treif and then reseeling them before serving the dinner to you? How could you go anywhere where there is no hechsher on the food?
“It was very nice — various activities available — and we had a room with our own private pool (not very large, but still private and ours).”
Mixed swimming is assur! We went thru this before.
“They make accommodations for kosher meals (you get the airline-style meals). It’s about a half hour away from Scranton as I recall. We had a great time and wouldn’t mind going back some day.”
Can you garantee that no one fools arond with it to make it treif before it gets to you? How can you go to a hotel without a hechsher? You have no idea what goes on in the kitchen.
Mosherose, mixed swimming with your spouse is assur? I don’t follow that logic. He mentioned he had a private pool.
Have you ever eaten an airline meal? Its sealed with hashgacha labels.
mosherose, there is a possibility that the “airline-style” food that may have been tampered with is actually “more kosher” (is that even possible?!) than someone with a small little store where there is less chance for something to get in.
For those reading this thread who are looking for family style (as opposed to 5 Star) vacations, I second Niagara Falls, from the Canadian side. You’ll need passports to go into Canada.
In the USA, we’ve done the White Mountains in NH many times – lots of Hassidim up there in the summer. Also, a few years ago, we randomly picked a place called Jimminy Peak in the Berkshires (MA). As we drove in, we were amazed to see so many frum people! There were ample minyans, and rooms have mini-kitchens. Also they allow you to BQ on the premises.
BTW, a great item to pack is a George Forman grill. We’ve cooked chicken in our hotel room without any odor or smoke and it’s very easy to clean off.
Mosherose- the HALACHA states that meat that is handled by non jews NEED TO HAVE TWO SEALS and you MAY eat it.
The delivery boy that brings my fish/butcher orders is also a non jew.
U DONT HAVE TO BE SMARTER THAN HALACHA AND U DONT HAVE TO COMMENT ON EVERY SINGLE THREAD.
And dear mosherose, if internet is ASSUR according to most gedolim- WHY R U ON???? You are going against the Torah.
I’m waiting for a response…
BTW, a great item to pack is a George Forman grill. We’ve cooked chicken in our hotel room without any odor or smoke and it’s very easy to clean off.
Amen. When Eeees and I went to St. Thomas, we brought one of those with us since the resort we were staying at did not have a kosher kitchen. It’s a great little grill.
The Wolf
Anyone know anything about Cape Cod?
And Wolf y do u refer to ur spouse as Eeees?
Got to go up to the Catskills for visiting day. We don’t know the area well. Does anyone have ideas for inexpensive places to stay for Shabbos?? Like a hotel with kitchen with suites.
And Wolf y do u refer to ur spouse as Eeees?
It’s a nickname.
The Wolf
hanab, There is a shul in Onset that might be able to give you some info. From what I remember (from a long time ago) there wasn’t a whole lot to do in the area. I’m not sure what its like today.
If this works, http://www.capecodshul.org/
Do you count the eees?
Onset is still a lovely place. There’s a shul, and accomodations are cheap. It is on the mainland side of the Cape Cod Canal, so there’s no bridge traffic to put up with. There are a few nice beaches, the water is pretty warm and still, since it faces Buzzards Bay.
One village over, in Wareham, about five miles away, you can see Cape Cod Baseball, which is extraordinarily good. The Cape Cod League is sponsored by Major League Baseball, and is an invitational league for the best college players in the country. They can play there and be scouted and NOT lose their amateur status. 38% of all current major league players played in the Cape Cod League at one time or other. I saw Nomar Garciaparra, Mark McGwire, Mo Vaughn and many others play BEFORE they hit the big time. Admission to the games are free, donation requested.
Also within a few miles – Cape Cod Canal – there’s a great bicycle path along both sides of the canal. The Army Corp of Engineers has a museum on the mainland side.
I vote for Onset, too.
Onset is on the inexpensive side, too. We rented a 2-br house, about seven houses down from the shul, for $75/day. It was small, but more than enough for the two of us. It’s a walk to the loveliest of beaches. There’s not too much to spend add’l money on there.
Onset is geographically on the Cape, but when the Cape Cod Canal was built, it ended up being on the mainland side of the canal, by a few miles, so it isn’t all that popular as a tourist desitnation these days. But, it’s lovely, it is CERTAINLY the Cape, and has a long Jewish history dating back to the early part of the 20th century.
“Mosherose, mixed swimming with your spouse is assur? I don’t follow that logic. He mentioned he had a private pool.”
Mixed swimming is assur. I havent seen a single sefer that says that theres an acception for swimming with yur wife. If you no of one let me no.
Just becuz its yur wife doesnt make it muttar. Not everything is muttar with yur wife. There are plenty of things that are assur even with yur wife.
If were told to be careful how much to talk with our wifes (Mishna Avos) then how much more so before doing something as frivolus as swimming with them.
“It’s a nickname.”
Didnt I read somwhere that some1 who uses a nickname for another person loses their olam habah even if the person says they dont mind the nickname?
Sorry I dont remember where I read it but Im certin that I did.
“U DONT HAVE TO COMMENT ON EVERY SINGLE THREAD. “
I dont. Their are plenty of threads that I dont comment on.
Mosherose – you’ve quated this mishna a few times of “al tarbe sicha im haisha” i’m almost sure most meforshim explain it in a certain way. I’d rather not say it on a public thread. Check it out for yourself. I’m really curious wear the source is that says swimming with one’s wife IS assur.
“I’m really curious wear the source is that says swimming with one’s wife IS assur.”
Are you curious abotu where it says its assur to eat pork with yur wife? Or say loshon hara with yur wife? Or wear shatnez with yur wife? It doesnt say it becuz its assur all the time. So is mixed swimming. It doesnt matter if yur wife is with you or not.
it’s assur to eat pork with your wife? Why didn’t you tell me this before my vacation?
“Are you curious abotu where it says its assur to eat pork with yur wife? Or say loshon hara with yur wife? Or wear shatnez with yur wife? It doesnt say it becuz its assur all the time. So is mixed swimming. It doesnt matter if yur wife is with you or not.”
Um, yeah. Now that’s just silly, comparing apples and oranges! Yes, it’s assur to eat pork with your wife. You can’t eat pork with anyone (“I will not eat them in a boat. I will not eat them with a goat”), but you are allowed to be home alone together with your wife, which is something that you can’t do with other women because of yichud. You are allowed to be alone with your mother and sisters just like you’re allowed to swim with them (unless you’ve decided that that’s assur too, and if you do I’d like to see sources for all this mishegass of yours), so why can’t you swim with your wife?
And please, learn how to spell! (Unless spelling properly in English is not something approved by the rabbonim…)
“You are allowed to be alone with your mother and sisters just like you’re allowed to swim with them (unless you’ve decided that that’s assur too, and if you do I’d like to see sources for all this mishegass of yours), so why can’t you swim with your wife?”
Who said yur aloud to swim with yur mother and sister once yur older?
“And please, learn how to spell! (Unless spelling properly in English is not something approved by the rabbonim…) “
Im sorry. I no Im a horrable speller. Ill try better.
“You can’t eat pork with anyone (“I will not eat them in a boat. I will not eat them with a goat”), but you are allowed to be home alone together with your wife”
What does being alone hafta do with swimming. Their 2 totaly different things.
There are somethings you can do with yur wife that you cant do with anyone else, but you cant do everything. Just like theres no acception for all the other things I said so too theres no acception for mixed swimming.
Actually, I used yichud as an example because it fits the comparison much better than eating pork or speaking lashon hara. Eating pork is something you can’t do AT ALL, while yichud is permissible with certain people, such as your wife. Just like yichud is okay with your wife or other relatives, mixed swimming with your wife or certain other relatives is an exception (not “acception”). Did you actually READ my post, or just the parts that you wanted to see?
Mosherose- please bring a source that there are some things that you may not do with your wife.
Look into a shulchan aruch and you will see that everything is muttar to do with your wife, except of course halachos that are forbidden.
Mixed swimming is forbidden, but if a couple ALONE is swimming- its muttar.
Does anyone have information about a vacation to Maine or Loon Mountain, NH? I am trying to find out which place is more reasonable and more fun!I would like to hear of a nice place to stay and attractions too.
Hello, Hello Kitty, Maine is really nice. My favorite spot is up in Bar Harbor. There’s mountains, and a seashore, all in the same place. Lots of trails to walk and lots of things to see, including the huge tide variation on the Bay of Fundy.
Southern Coastal Maine is very pretty, too – I like Ogonquit and Kennebunk and the other seaside towns.
This weekend we’re going up to Vermont, to the Killington area. I’ll let you know what that’s like when I get back.
-rsr-
Ron in Boston
MR, according to my Rav, its not mixed swimming thats an issue its the bathing suits. So, if a woman can dress in a bathing suit around her husband (and I’m pretty sure she can), then swimming with him privately is a non-issue.
If the husband has hirhur then it’s forbidden.
Thank You ronrsr, your information is very helpful. Can you tell me more about Bar Harbour? How far is it from NY? Where is a nice hotel to stay? What about minyan and shabbos?
Enjoy your Vermont vacation and I would love to hear about it since I am exploring all my options of vacation.
Thanks for your help.
mixed swimming is not assur. What is assur is for men to see the women in a bathing suit and for women to show themselves to men in a bathing suit. There is no inherent issur of mixed swimming. What there is though, is an issur of bal tosif, such as, swimming with your wife is assur.
rescue37 posted….
mixed swimming is not assur. What is assur is for men to see the women in a bathing suit and for women to show themselves to men in a bathing suit. There is no inherent issur of mixed swimming. What there is though, is an issur of bal tosif, such as, swimming with your wife is assur.
Next you’ll say…..
that ‘eating’ a cheese burger is not assur. Its only the taste and the smell for if you can swollow it whole you don’t get malkos. Its the chewing that gets you. (OK this one I had to thow in because its sounded good but my point…)
Then you’ll say….
that driving on shabbos is not a problem (with new hybrids – no fire (perhaps Bona -building, as the electric circuits need to be ‘built’ for the chips to work)) its the old cars (combustable engines) that were a problem….
Then you’ll say….
that going into a church (as one rabbi did the day before the president’s inauguration) is not a problem because its not real avoda zara its just a social meeting center. (They have plenty of social programs there (soup kitchens, classes, charity drives, bingo.)
Then you’ll say…
that pulling the plug/not feeding a person (Teri Shavo) is the humane thing to do. Why, even injecting a terminal patient with a drug that will allow them to expire is proper and even ethical (Kavorkian). You didn’t kill them nature/science did it.
Does the above sound familiar? Its the three avairos that we must give our lives for.
Well I say to you before you say all of the above, MIXED SWIMMING IS AVEZRAI LZUNUS! Its ASSUR 100% and any person that justifies it is not being honest with themselves. There is no room for this to be debated, especially on these boards. There will come a time when all these silly justfications will come back and haunt you, for in front of the true judge all excuses will sound exactly how they are…. LAME.
Klazno- we heard what you say. But please bring a source that its assur. Please dictate straight from Halacha to us…
MIXED SWIMMING IS AVEZRAI LZUNUS! Its ASSUR 100%
Klazno,
If mixed swimming is forbidden because it’s “AVEZRAI LZUNUS,” then why can’t I do it in private with my wife when she’s not a niddah? *That’s* what we’re talking about, not “stam” mixed swimming.
After all, hugging another woman is also likely “AVEZRAI LZUNUS” and yet I can certainly hug my wife when she’s not a niddah.
The Wolf
Klaz, my Rav said mixed swimming was mutar, but the clothing was not. See my post above.
In case anyone thinks this is just a MO thing, my moderately Yeshivish sister holds by this too.
It is not just modern orthodox. Many Chassidish people do it too!(Surprise surprise!!)
Not everyone feels comfortable with it, but it aint assur. Sorry! I don’t do things that are assur!
smartcookie said:
“It is not just modern orthodox. Many Chassidish people do it too!(Surprise surprise!!)
Not everyone feels comfortable with it, but it aint assur. Sorry! I don’t do things that are assur!”
Is is definitely not a chassidishe thing to do!!! The fact that there are chassidishe people doing it doesn’t mean anything. There are some chassidishe people that don’t keep up to the standards.
Bar Harbor is six hours from Boston, so it’s probably 10 hours drive from NYC.
Bar Harbor and the adjacent Acadia National Park have beautiful mountains, sea cliffs, lakes and dramatic seashore. Many people climb Cadillac Mountain before sunrise, to be among the first people in N. America to see the sunrise.
As with Newport, there are beautiful mansions, since Bar Harbor was the summer home of the Fords, Rockefellers (Nelson Rockefeller was born there), Morgans, Vanderbilts, Carnegies, Astors, and many other rich people.
There are museums and wonderful bicycle trails, walking paths, carriage paths donated by John D. Rockefeller.
There are some spectacular natural wonders, and it is at the mouth of the Bay of Fundy, which experiences which has up to a 50 foot difference between low and high tide. The tides at Bar Harbor aren’t that dramatic, but still the tide difference is extremely dramatic.
There’s a town farther north than Bar Harbor named Machias. Though it’s really pronounced Match-Eye-Us, I’ve always loved the highway signs that point to Machias. I’ve always meant to drive up there and try that for vacation – what a perfectly named vacation destination.
sorry i’m late on responding.
“Are you curious abotu where it says its assur to eat pork with yur wife? Or say loshon hara with yur wife? Or wear shatnez with yur wife? It doesnt say it becuz its assur all the time. So is mixed swimming. It doesnt matter if yur wife is with you or not.”
MOSHEROSE! your argumant mamish is SILLY! pork is assur with or without your wife, so is l”h… you know very well how much sense your argument makes. It’s assur to be with any other women but your wife (daughter, granddaughter, mother, grandmother)and BTW (i didn’t want to post without verifying for sure)- it’s 100% mutar to swim with your wife (obviously ONLY with her.) maybe there are certain restrictions but in general its Mutar. Maybe in your sh”a it’s assur. I’d like to know who says it’s assur. What’s your source – (NOT as in what’s your source that neting is assur!!! PLEASE!!!)
“(i didn’t want to post without verifying for sure)- it’s 100% mutar”
what’s YOUR source, sof davar?
Interesting. I was looking for a great vacation getaway when I eyed this forum. What I discovered is, that the best place is the Beis Midrash and Dalet Amos Shel Halacha.
All of you seem to be correct on the issue of swimming with a spouse. The Debrecen’er Rav discusses this in his Responsa – Be’er Moshe (Chelek 4, Siman 122). This is his response:
?????, ???? ????? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ??? ???. A rough interpretation would be, although it is permitted Al Pi Halacha, one shoul refrain.
Also, going back to your regularly scheduled thread: The season in Bar Harbor is very short. Since it’s so far from the big cities, most people go for at least a week, and things start to shut down right before Labor Day. I was up there once for Labor Day weekend, and the shops and restaurants were closing already, and it was turning into a ghost town. On the positive side for Labor Day: No lines, no crowds, no waiting! On the negative side: it’s already kind of cold by then.
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