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September 2, 2018 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1584555JosephParticipant
What are the best methods in dealing with incorrigible children?
September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584617Takes2-2tangoParticipantWho determined they are incorrigible?
September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584609☕️coffee addictParticipantKill him by stoning
Ben sorer umoreh style
September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584614☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantBe positive with them.
Constant incorrigment.
September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584598The little I knowParticipantThe definition of “incorrigible” is the inability to be corrected. Long before a response to this question is deserved, there must be something convincing that we are dealing with a truly “incorrigible” child. There are children that can be difficult, and these difficulties can vary among a wide spectrum of possibilities. But to determine that someone is hopeless is a problem. Who paskens this? A frustrated parent or rebbe is hardly qualified to apply such a finalistic label.
September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584604BaltimoreMavenParticipantThere is no such thing. Anyone can change and anyone can do Teshuva. Even Nero, Nevuzaraden, Bnei Korach, Bnei bonov shel Homan. Acher.
in·cor·ri·gi·ble
inˈkôrəjəb(ə)l/
adjective
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(of a person or their tendencies) not able to be corrected, improved, or reformed.
synonyms: inveterate, habitual, confirmed, hardened, dyed-in-the-wool, incurable, chronic, irredeemable, hopeless, beyond hope; More
noun
1.
an incorrigible person.September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584606ZionGateParticipantAre you asking as a parent or teacher?
Parents are often told ” He’ll/She’ll grow out of it.” Most often that comes true.
A teacher has limited time and is responsible for 20-35 others.
Even with so much advise from “experts”, in the related fields, I’m kinda pessimistic if the child is truly incorrigible.
Maybe one gets lucky and hits the right button.September 2, 2018 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1584596👑RebYidd23ParticipantDon’t try to corrige them.
September 2, 2018 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1584653akupermaParticipantHa-Shem designed little kids. They are supposed to be that way. They event turn into grown-ups. As you did.
September 2, 2018 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #1584658Takes2-2tangoParticipantMaybe the parents are the ones who are incorridgible
September 2, 2018 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #1584661slominerParticipantBaltimore: What about a ben sorer umoreh?
September 5, 2018 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #1587744Avram in MDParticipantJoseph,
Incorrigible is a statement about the caregiver more than the child – i.e., “not able to be corrected, improved, or reformed” by the parent or teacher. The solution, therefore, is to reach out for assistance. A rav, a frum counselor or parenting expert, or even a peer who has an outside perspective.
September 5, 2018 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #1587747Avram in MDParticipantslominer,
“What about a ben sorer umoreh?”
Show me a case where someone was actually in this halachic category, and then we can talk.
September 5, 2018 3:27 pm at 3:27 pm #1587758JosephParticipantAvram,
The Gemorah quotes an Amora who testified that he personally stood at the grave of a ben sorer umoreh.
September 5, 2018 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #1588040WolfishMusingsParticipantThe Gemorah quotes an Amora who testified that he personally stood at the grave of a ben sorer umoreh.
Actually, it was the Tanna, R. Yonasan.
In any event, there is also an opinion that it never happened. Then there’s also the point that R. Yonasan was a Kohen.
Kill him by stoning
Ben sorer umoreh styleThat’s what they should have done to me when I was thirteen… ah well, missed opportunities.
The Wolf
September 6, 2018 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #1588765👑RebYidd23ParticipantWhy do you hate yourself so much when you’re such a great person?
September 11, 2018 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm #1589413WolfishMusingsParticipantWhy do you hate yourself so much when you’re such a great person?
Your question contains a fatal error.
The Wolf
September 11, 2018 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #1589531👑RebYidd23ParticipantI disagree.
September 11, 2018 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #1589528JosephParticipantYou’re incorrigible, Wolf.
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