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  • January 8, 2013 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #918178
    zahavasdad
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    A serious Halchic discussion and not a troll post would realize the lid probably has little value (Less than a Pruta)

    January 8, 2013 1:29 pm at 1:29 pm #918179
    shmoel
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    A pruta is about 25 cents. Anything more than about a quarter is more than a pruta.

    January 8, 2013 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm #918180
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    It’s assur to steal less than a pruta, it’s just that there’s no recourse in beis din.

    January 8, 2013 2:18 pm at 2:18 pm #918181
    zahavasdad
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    OP didnt steal it . It accidently fell into his posession. Also its possible the store owner doesnt want it back either

    January 8, 2013 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #918182
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    ZD,

    That’s all part of the question. Obviously, if the owner says he doesn’t want it back, there’s no problem. The question is whether he needs to ask.

    January 8, 2013 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #918183
    zahavasdad
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    Thats a very different issue than if the person is a Buddaist for whom I can buy from but for whom I dont have to have the same business dealings and someone else and another issue to publically mock someone whom many consider a great person even if they do not follow his beliefs or belive he is a god

    January 8, 2013 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #918184
    TheBearIsBack
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    Thank you for the reform position on how to deal with avoido zoro. Many people looked up to Lenin, Stalin, Khomeini, Chmelnicki and Hitler – yemach shemam every one of them. If the Dolly Lemel has caused ONE Jew to become an oved a’z, and I know with 100 percent certainty that he has, he is a mashmid, and he should have a hysse gehennom. Buddhu is a getschke, and Jews sadly worship that getschke. Actually there is very little official tolerance for religion (except Judaism, as we don’t missionize, no natives practice it, foreign, largely frum, Jews create jobs here, and foreigners are free to do as they please) where I am, so Buddhu represents what the government under which I live thinks of the getschke too.

    Sadly, I cannot participate on any board which purports to be for frum Jews but allows clear kefira to be posted again and again. I don’t care if some oved AZ reads the board. I care that one less new age Jew or confused OTDer won’t end up completely gone over to AZ.

    I will not even be participating here for Peerim.

    Close my account; I am placing this site in my filter once and for all. I guess you feel you need these trolls (as opposed to a handful of posters who articulately espouse an educated MO viewpoint here – I disagree with them, but they are not trolls) to generate debate, and I sort of understand that. Nevertheless, I don’t want to be a part of it.

    The moment there is an Ignore feature here, I will return.

    I don’t know what comments you are referring to. If you must go, then go.

    January 9, 2013 1:21 am at 1:21 am #918185
    TheBearIsBack
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    There is a persistent troll poster who has wrecked this and many other threads. He looks for negative attention much like a certain gentleman in Antwerp, yet he is allowed free rein to post his illiterate and pointless nonsense, which is often kefira, on this board.

    Go I must, until you add an Ignore feature. Right click – pull down menu….add to filter…Saygec Arosz, Bacsi!

    January 9, 2013 1:52 am at 1:52 am #918186
    popa_bar_abba
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    another issue to publically mock someone whom many consider a great person even if they do not follow his beliefs or belive he is a god

    I don’t agree. It is a mitzva to mock avodah zara.

    January 9, 2013 1:55 am at 1:55 am #918187
    popa_bar_abba
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    So what Gadol says its OK to dispage Buddaism in a public forum that will likely backfire and make jews look bad.

    Every gadol.

    January 9, 2013 11:39 am at 11:39 am #918188
    zahavasdad
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    another issue to publically mock someone whom many consider a great person even if they do not follow his beliefs or belive he is a god

    I don’t agree. It is a mitzva to mock avodah zara.

    Doing a quick google, it seems the Dalai Lama has been to the Kotel at least twice in 1999 and 2006 (He was probably there before as well, but I couldnt find it) and prayed (With a Kippa no less) at it.

    I tried to find if there was any Protest against this by the Rabbanim and I couldnt find any, I am not saying there wasnt a protest only I didnt see an article and Im fairly certain if there was a protest, it would have been published if only in order to make certain people look bad.

    January 9, 2013 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #918189
    shmoel
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    Gedolim don’t take their protests to the newspapers. They take them to the Beis Medrash. With, usually, no recordings or press reportings. Gedolim are not publicity hounds.

    January 9, 2013 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #918190
    zahavasdad
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    There have been plenty of protests by Gedolim about the IDF draft and Metizah B’Peh and cemetaries

    You would think defilement of the Kotel area by an Idol would rank in importance as Metizah B’Peh

    January 9, 2013 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #918191
    Patri
    Member

    An attack on Bris Milah is a far greater threat than some getchke visiting the Kosel.

    January 9, 2013 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #918192
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    One is required to die rather than committ A’Z even inadverant A’Z or something you consider disgusting (Like Baal Peor where you defecate on the idol to worship it)

    Just getting out the way for the Dalai Lama could be considered worshipping him

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