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August 12, 2014 4:47 am at 4:47 am #613381Patur Aval AssurParticipant
“My intention was to compliment an excellent kashya, but if it motivates you to ask more, all the better.”
(DaasYochid)
Now that I have been granted free reign to ask kashyos, here’s one (watch how DaasYochid won’t like this one):
The Gemara in Sotah 4b wonders how Ben Azzai can have an opinion on the ????? of ????? if he never got married. The second answer given is ??? ?’ ??????. The Maharatz Chayes objects that this should be in violation of ???? ?? ?????. He says that he thinks the Chidah discusses this in Shem Hagedolim but he doesn’t currently have access to the sefer. Now what is the big kashya? The ??? ?’ ?????? wasn’t telling Ben Azzai the halacha, it was telling him the metzius so there wouldn’t be any problem. In fact the Maharatz Chayes himself in other places utilizes this chiluk between metzius and halacha (see Yoma 75a and somewhere in Yevamos which I can’t remember right now) and incidentally, the Chidah which the Maharatz Chayes quotes also says this chiluk. (It is possible that the Maharatz Chayes elsewhere was following the Chidah [i.e. he regained access to the sefer] but then we would have to assume that he wrote his comments on Sotah before Yoma and Yevamos and it wouldn’t address why he would need the Chidah in the first place.)
Popa, I am expecting at least a dozen pashut answers.
August 13, 2014 1:40 am at 1:40 am #1027513Patur Aval AssurParticipantSo you are agreeing to my kashya on the Maharatz Chayes?
Anyone know what happened to the first post? How is Popa supposed to give all the pashut answers if he can’t see the question?
August 13, 2014 2:47 am at 2:47 am #1027514☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantPAA, I am honored. I saw your kashya while it was up, and it was a nice ????, but I still like the other one better.
I don’t think the ???”? ???? is asking on ??? ?’ ?????? per se; there are a few gemaras which use the idea, and he only asks here.
Here, each ??? referred to his own experience, and ??? ?’ ??????, in that context, only makes sense if it’s a ????, not as a ??????.
August 13, 2014 6:13 am at 6:13 am #1027516HaLeiViParticipantI was answering your Kasha but asking another one. You asked on the Maharitz Chayes why he doesn’t apply to Ben Azzay what he applies other places, that Sod Hashem, although it can’t be a revelation of an Halacha it can be a revelation of a physical fact.
My attempt at answering this is that, although when you know something exists through Ruach Hakodesh you may indeed Pasken based on that, you can’t be Kove’a an Halacha Ledoros through that. This is especially the case over here, being that it is a Machlokes based on how to size up and quantize something.
If everyone was merely relating their own experience, what was Ben Azzai relating?
My own understanding in this matter (and Daas Yochid mentioned this idea in another conversation) would answer his Kasha, but it is not a Kasha on him why he doesn’t say what I like.
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