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May 19, 2009 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #589802feivelParticipant
i seem to recall a thread like this a while back, not sure.
this might be very useful for people here, especially for their Olam HaBah
im not sure how this would apply to Sephardi pronunciation but the Mishna Berurah makes a strong point that when putting on Tefillin, one should pronounce hah-maw-niach, with a kametz not ha-mah-niach with a patach. one way means to place, one means to put aside or abandon.
i would love to hear other such Halachas that many people may not be aware of.
May 19, 2009 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #645672squeakParticipantmoti – good one to bring up! I too, am annoyed when a Shatz does that, or when someone is saying kaddish and ends off “D’amiran b’alma v’imru” and then waits to say “amen” together with those responding. Please think about what you are saying! The one who is saying kaddish is telling the people to say “amen”, so tell them that! V’imru amen – and say amen. V’imru – and say. And say what?
This problem is also aggravated by the fact that sometimes the “nusach” (i.e. the tune that the chazzan uses) lends itself to making this mistake.
May 19, 2009 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #645673feivelParticipantmoi
what do you mean by “cut short”?
do you mean he should say it rapidly, or do you mean he should not say the complete word?
i dont believe the latter would be correct
May 19, 2009 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #645674feivelParticipantsomeone is saying kaddish and ends off “D’amiran b’alma v’imru” and then waits to say “amen” together with those responding. Please think about what you are saying! The one who is saying kaddish is telling the people to say “amen”, so tell them that! V’imru amen – and say amen. V’imru – and say. And say what?
aah squeak
this bothers me every day
and it is not only common sense, but the Mishna Berurah makes this point.
i see it done incorrectly so very frequently
by the way, the opposite logic applies to BrichHu in the Kaddish. logically the S’Tz and everyone should say it together, but the M’B says here too the Shatz should say it first followed by the Tzibbur. i dont know why.
May 19, 2009 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #645675moti107MemberFeivel
I mean ending the entire word in a hurry not in a smooth length since there are some mispalelim who are starting to answer amen before completing the last word of the bracha. check it out on your next teffila and you’ll be amazed.
May 19, 2009 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #645676feivelParticipantmoti
i see
yes, i have even seen a certain person or two who say Amen before the Shatz even BEGINS the last word.
they just dont know, thats how they have done it their whole lives
May 19, 2009 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #645677moti107MemberIts pretty scary to find out after 120 that you have no Amens in your account.
May 19, 2009 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #645678JayMatt19ParticipantHere is one I just saw today, quite applicable:
If the minyan has accepted Shabbos already, one may not daven Mincha there. Even if it is still before shkiah. Instead one daven in the hallway, or if empty, the Ezras Nashim.
May 19, 2009 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm #645679moti107MemberJay
Accepted shabbos in what aspect? since most of us daven Mincha after we stop doing a melacha.
May 19, 2009 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #645680squeakParticipantI think he means as in reaching the end of Kabbolas Shabbos.
Similarly (although I can’t think of a city where this happens today), if an entire city or neighborhood brings in Shabbos early, you as a yochid must be makabel shabbos along with them. In every place I know of, there is at least one “early shabbos” minyan and one “late shabbos” minyan, so this would not be an issue. But if you know of someplace that only has “early shabbos”, travelers through that city would need to be careful, or they would be mechallel shabbos.
May 19, 2009 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #645681JayMatt19ParticipantLets say the shul is being mekabel early Shabbos. If they already said Mizmor Shir L’Yom Hashabbos, the tzibbor is considered to have been mekabel Shabbos. So if someone walks in now, they cannot daven mincha in the shul, even though it might still be an hour to shkiah.
This does not apply once the minyan is done and has left.
This is important to know during the summer months when many, if not most bring in the Shabbos early.
May 19, 2009 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #645682JayMatt19Participantsqueak, that would be quite common in small towns (with only 1 shul), or in Europe where shkiah can easily be after 9pm in many places.
May 20, 2009 3:34 am at 3:34 am #645683feivelParticipantalso critical
in the 2nd Brocha of SE
it is ba-al gvuros, “master” of strengths
not bal gvuros, meaning “without” strengths
be very careful
it is very easy to say it wrong and thus say words of apikorsus (even if the intent is not present)
May 20, 2009 3:40 am at 3:40 am #645684May 20, 2009 4:45 am at 4:45 am #645685postsemgirlMemberThe title is kinda funny. Aren’t all halachos important?
May 20, 2009 6:15 am at 6:15 am #645686GoldieLoxxMemberi heard this once please help me with it
there is a bracha to say specifically when one sees the meditteranian sea. and this applies to flights as well.
is this true? whats the bracha?
May 20, 2009 6:18 am at 6:18 am #645687kapustaParticipantI think theres a bracha to say when you ee an ocean and you havent seen one in… (not sure a month, 6 months) not sure what the bracha is. sorry to be so helpful 😉
May 20, 2009 6:26 am at 6:26 am #645688aussieboyParticipantYou say a bracha if your seeing a diffrent sea then the one you usually see. You see?
Even if you always see the medditeraininan and you go to the west coast you need to say one on the pacific too.
May 20, 2009 11:44 am at 11:44 am #645689qawsMemberSpueak – how about in a sleepaway camp. If there is only one minyan in the camp and the camp is in middle of nowhere, would this apply?
May 20, 2009 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #645690proud tattyMemberNo halacha fits this topic more then mayim achronim
May 20, 2009 3:19 pm at 3:19 pm #645691moish01Memberkapusta, it’s 30 days and it’s “she’asa es hayam hagadol”
May 20, 2009 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #645692feivelParticipantpostsemgirl:
youre right
May 20, 2009 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #645693moti107MemberCan anybody answer the following?
I live in NY, Last week i was driving my car to shul to daven Mincha, it was very late, almost passed the Zman mincha as i reached the block of my shul i realized that i couldn’t find a parking space. I had a choice either to park double run in to shul and possibly (likely) get a ticket($115)or i could daven in the car mincha, or keep looking for a space and pass mincha time. What i did is irrelevant,my question is what would you fallows do?
May 20, 2009 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #645694lesschumrasParticipantHer is my question. Why in the world are people askling ( and accepting ) piskei halacha from anonymous strangers instead of asking their Rav?
May 20, 2009 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #645695feivelParticipantpark double run in to shul and possibly (likely) get a ticket
not only possibly get a ticket, but much more important, block other cars from leaving. that would be very rude and certainly ASSUR, and possibly a chilul Hashem.
May 20, 2009 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #645696moish01Memberye i would say daven b’yochid. if you can’t- it’s probably better to not daven at all than to double park.
May 20, 2009 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #645697gavra_at_workParticipantmoti107:
Which Z’man? if not RT (58 2/3 min after shkeia) you can be a “chossid for a day :)”
I would not daven IN the car, rather drive back home & daven there.
Les: No-one is arguing don’t AYLOR. This is a “what would you do” since in the hypothetical, YLOR is davening in the minyan and you can’t ask!
May 20, 2009 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #645698moti107MemberLesschumras
I was not asking for piskei halacha here i was just asking what you would do in such a case when you dont have time to call a posek and every second counts. Its like a test on your self if you can put your self in such a position.
Feivel
In my case it wouldn’t block the Traffic but yes you can add it to my debate.
May 20, 2009 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #645699feivelParticipantmoti
i didnt mean traffic
would it block people that are parked from leaving their parking space?
i dont live in NY
May 20, 2009 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #645700moish01Memberhey you can park by a pump. or a “no standing/parking any time” but you might get a big fat ticket.
and if there’s a fire you might return to see a power hose running straight through your front seat windows.
May 20, 2009 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #645701moti107MemberFievel
if you have the option you can park at the begining or end of the street, or if there is a gap between 1 car to the next one not enough for a parking space but just enough for the inside car to get his way out.
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