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January 9, 2014 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #611812DaMosheParticipant
I’m sure some posters noticed that over the last few days, I’ve been somewhat upset. The whole thing with my friend Feif Un affected me, and I let my emotions run away with me. Last night, I took a few minutes to try and think clearly about things.
My Rav, who has semichah from YU, has told me many times that he hates labels such as “Modern Orthodox”, “Ultra orthodox”, and others. He says the only one he really like is Chareidi, which comes from the pasuk ???????? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ??? ????????. He says he likes to think he falls into that category.
I’m going to try and change how I look at things. I remember when I was in Darchei Torah, I listened to R’ Gifter speech on “Diversity in Orthodoxy”. That’s the speech where he says his famous line, “I am not an Orthodox Jew. I am a Torah Jew!” I think I’m a Torah Jew as well, as are most people here in the CR.
I have said many times that all views which follow the Torah should be respected. Instead of arguing about views to try and make people respect my views, I’m going to try something else. If I just show respect to other views, maybe people will be affected and do the same.
I was once told in the name of R’ Avigdor Miller zt”l, that if someone hates you, the best way to change it is to show pure love to the person. If you do that, the person can’t help but change their stance towards you. I’m hoping the same thing applies here in terms of respecting others.
I’ve spent so much time trying to defend my views that this change won’t be easy. But I think it’s something which will be good for me, so I’m going to make the effort.
Does anyone want to join me in this?
January 9, 2014 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #997863LevAryehMemberTypical Modern Orthodox liberal viewpoint. (This is a test.)
you failed
January 9, 2014 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #997864☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI’m with you, DaMoshe, except for one thing. I think we should respect other legitimate views unconditionally, not just so that those who hold opposing views should respect ours (although that would be nice).
January 10, 2014 12:50 am at 12:50 am #997865HaLeiViParticipantEh. I thought you meant it, until I read the last line. Then I realized it’s just a trick.
January 10, 2014 12:54 am at 12:54 am #997866SaysMeMemberyasher koach, may Hashem help you achieve your goal for shalom! Tizke l’mitzvos!
January 10, 2014 12:59 am at 12:59 am #997867OURtorahParticipantDAMOSHE- HAVE YOU NOT BEEN READING MY POSTS ALL THE TIME LOL
IVE BEEN WITH YOU SINCE DAY ONE BROTHER
January 10, 2014 4:15 am at 4:15 am #997868YW Moderator-29 👨💻ModeratorGreat post!
January 10, 2014 4:22 am at 4:22 am #997869i screamMemberBeautifully written, that’s what I thought when I saw pictures of the Siyum HaShas, all of Klal Yisroel surrounded by Talmidei Chachomim. Experiencing the love of Torah as brothers.
January 10, 2014 4:32 am at 4:32 am #997870🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantHaLeiVi – what a kind response to someone who writes such a heartfelt post. Kind of out of character for you.
DaMoshe – that is great, I would like to join you in trying to be a better representative of who we are supposed to be. Not many people have been able to be mikarev anyone with harshness, kol hakavod.
DY – he doesn’t say anywhere that it is to make people respect his *views*, he said it was to make people be more respectful of *eachother*.
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