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I can’t think off the top of my head where we say that by avoda zara.
It seems to me that you could for sure be mattir the pot by throwing the amount of money that the idol cost into the sea.
And perhaps we would say like you that it didn’t add anything since the fire was hot enough anyway. But I dunno a source for that.
From a friend of mine at camp:
You Can’t Judge a Product By Its Panel: Three Problems with Ingredient Lists
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i know this discussion is now about hechsherim and kashrus, but about the original story…
my friend told me a story about her brother – imagine that you saw this – an obviously frum kid goes into a gas station store, looks at the ingredients of every single candy bar, buys one which you absolutely positively know that it is not kosher, buys it, eats it, and runs out of the store.
it turns out that hes diabetic and needed the sugar, he ran out cuz he didnt want his bike to be stolen. be dan lcaf zchus you dont know the whole story…
Off the cuff I would say pashtus you could use your idol to fuel your libun. See the bottom of 8a in Chullin.
Anyone with true yiras shamayim would have a VERY GREAT FEAR of eating something not kosher. If you were aware that something non-kosher definitely causes cancer, would you just check the ingredients and eat it? You can be sure that eating something non-kosher is far worse for a son or daughter of the King than the worst cancer. You should follow your Rav, but in the absence of a personal psak, be very very careful about what you eat.
chassidish – I feel the same way you do but if what you said was even mildly true there would be nobody smoking!
yitayningwut:
I thought of that (not the gemara, but YD 10:1 which codifies it), and I’m not sure it is apposite. The reason it is muttar for shechita is because shechita is mekalkel.
Is what I am doing mekalkel? Maybe, I am ruining the seasoning. But I’m not sure about that.
You’re ruining your idol by using it to fuel your fire.
You’re ruining your idol by using it to fuel your fire.
No, that is how I serve it.
Hee hee. I think I was a worshiper of your avodah zarah in my early teen years.
chassidishY.U.type,
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I was a Mashgiach for a Kashrus organization and without a doubt, any manufactured product (with very few exceptions, and chocolate bars are not an exception) do require a Hechsher. (Even dried fruits need a Hechsher because of manufacturing issues!). It is impossible for someone outside of the Hashgacha world to know how a product like a chocolate bar was manufactured (whether Treif products were manufactured on the same machinery). Also some ingredients seem innocuous to a lay person, but may in fact be animal derivatives. Instead of arguing here, we should demand that Jewish schools teach these basics to the students, or at least invite Hashgacha experts to do a few workshops with the students.
pba:
1- I didn’t mean by a”z, I meant that you’d be more likely to know one that could be applied.
2- You aren’t serving the idol, you’re destroying it in a way that gives you no hana’a.
2a- You aren’t buring it, I am and I don’t serve it
2b- Side issue: what if the idol was made of hemp or some other thing that people burn deliberately not as fuel?
So I made my fire, and burned my pan. The coals under the pan didn’t burn because there wasn’t enough oxygen apparently, but I think the pan is kashered anyway because the fire was really big and really hot and I covered it, and it was still hot the next morning when I came to take the pan out.
The pan is now turned different colors in some places, and the smooth seasoned crust is gone, with just iron left.
And it is rusting. But I don’t want to re-season it yet, since I want to tovel it first.
Which leads to my ??? question: Do you need to tovel a kli that you buy from a goy and do libun gamur to?
to poppa
why would you think not?
( if you change the kli so that is now a remanufactured item, perhaps not. but libun doesnt do this. )
if you tovel a used kli
that needs kashering before you kasher, the tvila is invalid.
If you do libun gamur wrong you can ruin the temper of the metal. In that case it’s a different grade of iron, so maybe you can call it a new kli?
Speaking of Korach, a fabric store in flatbush is having a sale. Any thoughts on korach tzitzis for purim?
Pba- My guess would be yes. Any food utensil you buy from a non-jew needs to be toiveled- unless the utensil is ruined and subsequently repaired by a jew.
I just found the following from the Star K –
“If one bought a used vessel which needs to be kashered, e.g. from a non-Jewish owner, the keili must be kashered before it is toveled.”
If you do libun gamur wrong you can ruin the temper of the metal.
You should have seen my temper when I picked up the pan while it was still hot. I suppose that was doing libun wrong.
So does the fact that it needs to be reseasoned count as being ruined?
How about if I have to sand it down because it is rusting now?
Is rust a problem for a mikva? How about for a nidda?
LOL. Rust on a Niddah would be taluy in if it’s mitztaer to peel off, I suppose.
Itche – Now I understand why modern people wear blue shirts! Because they’re all Korach-niks!
Is rust a problem for a mikva?
That depends if there’s substance to it, in which case it must be sanded off. If it’s merely a stain, it’s okay.
If you are not makpid on the rust it may be ok too! LOL
Rabbi Eidlitz told me by email that it is only a problem if it comes off by hand. It doesn’t.
yitayningwut: No, that’s why we wear pants died with kaleh ha’ilan.
pba: Does a robot have to toivel?
Itche – lol
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