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To serve him a bowl of Reese’s Pieces mixed with Skittles, and with M&M’s?
Thank you ☺
No. It is a very righteous thing to do, and it will inspire him to eat chalav yisrael.
Stupid, maybe. Evil, no.
Skittles aren’t milchik…or kosher
Chalav akum is a very terrible thing …
770, the Lubavicher Rebbe allowed (encouraged) R’ Berel Levy to certify cholov stam.
So while I agree that cholov akum is terrible, the Rebbe obviously didn’t hold cholov stam is cholov akum.
Is it evil of you to think of your friend as evil for doing or eating something which you may not agree with?
Is it evil to think it is evil for you to think of your friend as evil for doing or eating something which you may not agree with?
Rav Moshe Feinstien zt”l wrote in one of his teshuvos about cholov stam that it is proper for baalai ruach not to eat cholov stam, but it is assur to call anyone who does eat it a rasha, since there is support to permit it.
chalav Avdei KochavimUMazolos cause sfeikis in emunah and other terrible things like lack of yiras shamayim rl
I find it theologically problematic to believe that an Issur’ D’Rbannan can cause such terrible things. If it did, Hashem would have made it Assur Min HaTorah.
770chabad: That is why Reb Moshe differentiated between chalav akum and chalav stam.
Related question: I personally don’t drink scotch made in sherry casks. Occasionally someone will give me a sherry cask bottle as a gift. Is it wrong for me to give the bottle to those who do drink this scotch, or to serve it to them, in my home?
If someone doesn’t use Cholov Stam he shouldn’t be giving it to other Yidden. (Since he holds it is assur [as his shitta is that it is Cholov Akum], he can’t give it to a Jew.)
What is the reason you don’t use sherry casks (whatever that is)?
joseph: sherry casks are casks that used to hold non-kosher sherry. You can read more on the Star-K website.
Its actually a bigger aveira to think of someone as evil for doing something that you dont approve of but is widely accepted. btw chlov stam is not traif even for those who are makpid. Learn halach before you spew your amaratzus
Joseph
Sherry is an aged/fortified wine, and you have the obvious nesech issue. Once the sherry matures the casks that held the wine are reused by the scotch manufacturers. The scotch is stored in the casks for years, as it imparts flavor and color.
The halachic issue involves bliyos form the sherry. Many hold that the bleyos constitute a significant amount and make the scotch not kosher. From my experience many are not makpid and use any “single malt ” scotch. Many (such as Rav Reisman) speak out against the practice of using any whiskey that doesn’t have a hechsher.Sherry Casks are containers that are used to ferment Sherry (A Liquor). Many times the same casks are also used to ferment wine (Non Kosher wine)
If you hold sherry casks are not allowed to be used, then you can’t give it to another Jew — even if the other Jew uses it.
The scotch is aged in sherry( i.e. wine) casks specifically for their flavor, it is therefore, like a davar hamamed which is never batal. I heard from a Rosh yeshiva that both Rav Dovid and Rav Ruvain Feinstien hold this way even though hR’Moshe was reported to have drunk such scotch., The head of the OU was on headlines a few months ago and he stated that there are many bases to be maikel (e.g. the scotch may be from the tenth “pouring” when there is zero flavor left) but that the OU does not rely on bital ever, as a matter of principle.
Joseph- do you believe it is lfney ivar or some other issur? Is it shnai tzidai d’n’hara even if every kosher wine store sells it? That was the thrust of my question.
DY – no, it’s not.
Lightbrite – that is so nice of you to think of me! Thanks so much!
By the way, I just read an article about a certain well-known Gadol or Rav (it might have been Rav Shimshon Pincus) written by a relative of his. One of the stories was about how he gave a relative of his a ride to a chalav-stam ice cream place, even though he himself wouldn’t eat there.
To answer your question, the general rule in such matters is that if you consider the Rabbanim who permit the thing in question to be reliable Rabbanim and the opinion to be a valid opinion, then I think it’s okay (for example, my friends don’t mind if I open their soda bottles on Shabbos, especially if I’m doing it for myself.)
You should probably ask a sheilah though because it may depend on various factors.But if you don’t think those Rabbanim are reliable Rabbanim or if you hold that something is absolutely assur, then it would be a different story.
When it comes to Chalav Yisrael, a factor to consider may be if you are makpid on it because you are holding by a shita that says that chalav stam is absolutely assur vs. if you are following a shita that chalav stam is muttar but a kula.
My impression is that Chabad may hold that it’s absolutely assur, so if you consider yourself to be Chabad, you should probably ask your Rav, because that may make a difference.
It is absolutely assur
770: What is absolutely assur?
Chabad likely wont eat Chalav Stam, but I dont think they are opposedto others eating it and will tell people they are Mekarav they can eat OU Ice Cream (They would never tell someone to eat Hebrew National for example)
Takes 2,
I have news for you. The Satmar Rov, to the beat of my knowledge, paakened that it is traif gomur. So I don’t know where you get off saying that it isn’t according to that shitah.dafbiyun, if your Posek holds Cholov Stam or sherry casks are treif (and the shitta assuring Cholov Stam because they consider it Cholov Akum effectively holds it is treif), then you cannot give that tarfus to another Yid even if he holds it’s kosher. Since as far as you’re concerned it is treif.
Chalav akum is worse the. Eating chazer
I find it theologically problematic to believe that an Issur’ D’Rbannan can cause such terrible things. If it did, Hashem would have made it Assur Min HaTorah.
Maybe it only causes it because the rabbonon assered it.
I saw b’shem R Shlomo Zalman that being meikil in bishul akum (even where there’s no personal contact) has led to much intermarriage in the US.
According to you, that’s theologically problematic.
I don’t agree that it is.
(Hi, Sam, how have you been?)
As far as lifnei iver on a machlokes where the “iver” has on whom to rely, there’s an opinion which disagrees, but most acharonim hold it’s not a problem.
Would you say it is okay for someone who, like most, holds with the Psak of Rav Moshe and most contemporary poskim regarding an Eruv in NYC being assur and chillul Shabbos to carry, to give someone a package on Shabbos to carry within the Flatbush or Boro Park Eruv since the Flatbush and Boro Park Eruvs has on whom to rely?
It evil because its not right to put something delicious looking in front of someone who wont eat it
It would also be evil if you had nice looking food from a Hashsghca the person wont eat from (on purpose)
Are the words evil and assur being used interchangeably here?
770c: Everybody agrees that chalav akum is treif. The point is that R’ Moshe created a new category called chalav stam which takes it out of the geder of chalav akum. Many in the chadisheh velt did not accept on themselves this heter from R’ Moshe.
Meno: IMO, the OP used the term “evil” as “it is not a good thing”.
Joseph
I don’t understand your comparison
You can’t “hold” chalev akum is treif, it either is pigs milk or it isn’t.
People who don’t drink it are being machmir for a chasash (that in all likelihood doesn’t exist anymore)
As opposed to carrying in RHR which is assur midioreysamentsch1: Chalav akum does not necessarily mean milk from a non-kosher animal. If one lives a rural farm town that has only kosher animals, the Pri Megadim holds that one can trust the Eino Yehudi that the milk is from a kosher animal and we are not concerned that maybe he went to another town and brought back milk from a non’kosher animal and mixed it in.
mentsch1: Those that hold that the kula of Cholov Stam (i.e. relying on governmental oversight instead of a Yid) is invalid, hold that such milk is therefore Cholov Akum and non-kosher. Even if it is really cow’s milk that was milked by someone not Jewish with no Jewish oversight, if one doesn’t accept the C.S./government kula the resulting milk is deemed C.A./non-kosher.
Pashut Halacha from Chazal is that any milk that came without the oversight of a Yid is considered Cholov Akum, and therefore treif, even if it is cow’s milk. Cholov Stam is a kula that you can rely on the government instead of a Yid for the oversight. If you don’t hold that is a valid kula (and many poskim do not, especially in the Chasidic world) then the milk is Cholov Akum/treif even if it is cow’s milk with an OU-D.
If your posek holds Cholov Stam is assur, giving CS food to another Yid (who uses it) makes as much sense as giving another Yid (who uses the eruv in NYC) a package to carry on Shabbos if your posek (i.e. Rav Moshe) doesn’t hold neighborhood eruvim in Flatbush, Boro Park and Manhattan are valid.
“Pashut Halacha from Chazal is that any milk that came without the oversight of a Yid is considered Cholov Akum, and therefore treif, even if it is cow’s milk. ”
Rav Moshe holds that the problem of Chalav Akum is not that the milk is treif, but that there is a chashash that it is treif.
Joseph can correct me if I’m mistaken, but I believe he is using the term “treif” to mean “assur to consume”.
I think that should clear up the previous 5 or so posts.
Joseph: It’s B’feirush in R’ Moshe that if someone (legitimately) holds something is Muttar that you hold is Assur, then it’s okay to give/help them do what they think is Muttar anyway.
Sam, you’re telling me Rav Moshe holds that if someone uses eruvim in Manhattan or Brooklyn that you can give him a package on Shabbos that he’ll carry?
Joseph – note the word “legitimately” in Sam’s post. That is the key issue here.
Note: I know nothing about the Eruv issue specifically and I’m not getting involved. But according to what Sam wrote, whether or not Rav Moshe would hold that you can give the guy a package would depend on whether or not R’ Moshe considered those opinions to be legitimate.
Lilmod, there are some very legitimate rabbonim/poskim publicly approving eruvim in Brooklyn (and probably Manhattan as well.) And there are opposing rabbonim, also very legitimate, who say anyone carrying — even if they legitimately hold by a Posek who approves of the Eruv — is a Mechallel Shabbos.
I should add that there are some poskim who consider the heter for Cholov Stam to not be legitimate. (Despite the big names behind it.)
There is no reason to argue chalav stam on this thread.
Joseph,
I agree, even according to Rav Moshe, Chalav Stam is a Kula and not the other way around. Not drinking Chalav stam is not a chumra. Rav Moshe agrees that according to many poskim (Chasam Sofer, Pri Chadash) it is still considered Chalav Akum. Same with eruvin, Rav Moshe wrote that there are definitely on what to rely on and, the ones permitting it have legitimate heterim.
Furthermore, as per minhag through out the ages, poskim relied on all kind of kulos when it came to Eruvin. See Avnei Nezer hilchos Eruvin, Chasam Sofer and others, some basing it on the Gemara הלכה כדברי המיקל בעירובין ואבל”
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