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    Harris supports terrorist supporting Lebanon, leaking secrets to Jew haters, all on top of the morally repugnant policies Harris supports. Any Jew who votes for Harris should be put in Cherem.

    #2322183
    akuperma
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    It isn’t all clear which is worse. In many ways Trump’s “support” of Israel, combined with an “America First” foreign policy (i.e. no foreign wars) may be even more likely to put Israel at risk, since it will give a “green light” to America’s enemies (including Iran) to pursue aggressive policies without fear of American intervention. Domestic anti-Semitism, on the other hand, is an issue in which Trump is clearly preferable from our perspective, as the WOKE wing of the Democrats appear to be taking over the party, and they include Harris and Walz, and they are openly anti-Israel and anti-Jewish (meaning opposed to frum Jews).

    For Israel, the message should be that no matter who wins, their survival is in their hands and they need to be prepared to defend themselves with their own resources and give up dependence on American aid or the financial support of American Jews (e.g. raise taxes, build up defense industries so they don’t need imports, promote policies of national unity go back to having a third world standard of living so they can support a first world military without imports).

    #2322247
    levi365248
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    I think you should try to imagine why these people are voting Democrat. They often feel that they are not represented by Trump. They might feel he is kinda impulsive and they feel uncomfortable with a person like that in the seat of Abe Lincoln. Whiel of course they opposite is true – and it is not for nothing that the symbol of the democratic party is a donkey – the imcompetence is entirely with Harris,
    Do we ever imagine a woman with word salads like Harris do some tough talking with Putin? Would we imagine her sitting down with the Ayatollah and the Mullahs of Iran ימ”ש? Only disaster could ensue from this?
    But the Jews who vote democrat do this usually from a family tradition. They can poshut not imagine themselved voting for the GOP. Feel sorry for people who are misguided like that.

    #2322267
    crazykanoiy
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    If you vote Trump.you are voting for the guy who gave over 100 million dollars to the Lebanese Military, freed 5000 Taliban fighters, let Iran enrich uranium unhindered and abandoned US Kurdish allies in Syria. You are also voting for the guy who called Hizbullah smart, cursed Bibi and said Abbas is a grandfather type figure who wants peace. The MAGA sickness blinds the cult like followers to Trump’s flaws and demands slavish obedience to the dear leader. Please keep Yiddeshkeit out of your sick ideology.

    #2322274
    crazykanoiy
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    IMPORTANT: Many frum.yidden are scared into silence by the cultish brainwashed MAGA minions who seek to place anyone who has doubts about supporting their fake Messiah into cherem or otherwise question their Jewishness. These modern day Sabbateans and Frankists who worship the golden calf of MAGA terrify those who have the intelligence to think for themselves. Thankfully come November 5th in the privacy of the voting boot tens of thousands of frum yidden will do their part to end the avodah zarah of Trumpism. May we merit to see the day when the wayward followers of the false messiah recognize their errors and return to the fold of normalcy.

    #2322336
    keith
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    Crazy – you are incorrect. He is the one who authorized our military to fight and destroy ISIS. Before him they were extremely limited in their rules of engagement. You forget that the Iran uranium agreement did not allow any observation of their military facilities which is where the purification is really happening and under the previous administration they were free to do whatever they liked and were given billions of dollars to strengthen Hamas and Hezbollah. It was under Trump that crippling sanctions were delivered, bankrupting Iran, and under Biden that the sanctions were removed. I think your language is unnecessarily inflammatory.

    #2322380
    joeydweck2002
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    MAGA!!! Yeah I agree with you. Not only that. Forget about Eretz Yisrael. We live in AMERICA and he is the best for America AND EY. If you’re a businessman in the US you need a candidate that wants this country to prosper and not end up like Venezuela or Cuba

    #2322381
    joeydweck2002
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    Tell Israel to put In G-d we Trust on their money! Until then I care more about AMERICA! I am a proud MAGA patriot. In my community we care deeply about Eretz Yisrael but we don’t like their secular govt

    #2322399
    SQUARE_ROOT
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    WISCONSIN (VINnews) — Jewish activist Shabbos Kestenbaum,
    a Harvard graduate who has filed a lawsuit against the university
    over its antisemitism, will be speaking at the Republican National Convention.

    In a tweet, Kestenbaum announced that he voted for Bernie Sanders
    last election, however his views have changed because of
    what his classmates were doing while Jews were being slaughtered.

    The Convention’s website says that Shabbos is a “lifelong Democrat”
    who will be voting for president [Donald] Trump for the first time.

    SOURCE: article titled: “Shabbos Kestenbaum,
    Formerly a Bernie Sanders Supporter,
    to Speak at GOP Convention

    by Baruch Green 2024 July 15 www (dot) VINnews (dot) com

    #2322401
    SQUARE_ROOT
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    Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz of Matzav dot com said:

    “The Democrat Party that controls the White House and Senate
    is openly anti-Semitic and hostile toward Israel and Jews.

    It is led by a weak, incompetent leader, who caused inflation to skyrocket,
    eroded the moral fabric of the country, and opened the borders
    to millions of unknown and undocumented people from around the world.”

    SOURCE: article titled: “Truly Historic
    by Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz 2024 June 27 on Matzav dot com

    =======================================
    PERSONAL COMMENT: The number of ILLEGAL ALIENS that
    President Joe Biden and the Democrats allowed to enter the USA
    is more than eleven million: > 11,000,000.
    They include: convicted criminals, members of violent
    gangs that sell illegal drugs, Chinese spies, Chinese soldiers,
    Chinese Police Officers, people with infectious diseases,
    prostitutes, terrorists and people released from mental institutions.

    #2322402
    SQUARE_ROOT
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    News Reporter Rikki Schlott of The New York Post said:

    With the 2024 election almost upon us, Donald Trump is gaining a new cohort of voters:
    Jewish Americans who feel abandoned by the left.

    According to exit polls, 77 percent of Jewish voters went for Biden in 2020.
    But a recent poll from the Jewish Electoral Institute
    found the president has lost 10 points on his lead against his rival.

    Between college protests erupting into chants for an “intifada revolution,”
    Democrats like Jamaal Bowman leaning hard into pro-Palestine messaging,
    and progressive organizations like Black Lives Matter chapters celebrating
    the October 7th terrorist attacks, many Jewish Americans feel abandoned by their party.

    Some lifelong Jewish Democrats feel an explosion of left-wing antisemitism
    has pushed them to re-register as Republicans — and vote for Trump.

    The Post spoke to four local Jewish voters who made the switch in the wake of October 7th:

    [1] Melissa Chapman always considered herself a bleeding heart liberal —
    but she left the Democratic party after she claims it “betrayed” Jewish people.

    “I’ve always been a Democrat, and I really believed that the Democrats were
    going to protect me, because I’ve done everything a good Democrat should do,”
    the 50-year-old Staten Islander told The Post.
    “Then October 7th happened, and I was completely abandoned.”

    Chapman, a mom of two, runs a blog where she champions progressive causes,
    from LGBT rights and animal rights to Black History Month. However, after
    the Hamas attacks which killed 1,200 and took another 250 hostages,
    prompting Israel’s military to respond in Gaza, she found herself castigated
    online in the progressive social media communities she’d long been a part of.

    “Even on my vegan Facebook communities, all the recipes
    became about freeing Palestine, somehow,” she said.
    \“If you dissented in any way, you either got bullied,
    shamed, or just kicked out of the group.
    I was literally abandoned by every single
    community that I poured my heart into.”

    In total, Chapman was booted from 20 online communities
    and called all manner of names, from ‘colonizer’ to ‘genocide supporter’ and ‘baby killer’.

    “I was told to go back to Poland,” she recalled.
    “One person told me they hope that I burn in the ovens.
    If you support Israel, you’re immediately considered someone
    who’s supporting genocide, which is not, by definition, even true
    — but it doesn’t matter because buzzwords are taking over like wildfire.”

    The experience of being squeezed out of progressive spaces
    caused Chapman to re-register as a Republican.

    “It’s a horrible time to support Israel and be a Democrat,
    and I just don’t think there’s any space for us anymore,” she said.
    “As a Jew, you have to disown Israel in order
    to be accepted into the Democratic community.”

    The post-October 7th reaction has caused Chapman to think
    oftenof her late father, who was a Holocaust survivor:
    “If he were alive today, I don’t know what he would say.
    I don’t know, but would he say this is like
    what happened in Germany before Hitler took over?”

    As we head into election season, Chapman “1000%” plans
    to vote Republican down the ticket,
    from the local level to the presidential level.

    “I never thought I would be voting Republican in my entire life,”
    she said. “But it’s like living in a twilight zone. As a Jew living in America, I
    don’t believe the Democratic Party has my best interest at heart.”

    [2] After a lifetime as a Democrat, Danny Cohen
    decided his party now “has a cancer” in the form of antisemitism.

    “There’s been a hijacking of the Democratic Party,” Cohen,
    56 of Brooklyn, told The Post. “Right now the Democratic Party has a cancer.
    It seems like all the antisemitism is just coming out of the woodwork.”

    In the wake of October 7th, Cohen changed his party registration to Republican.
    “The response from the left really shook me to my core,”
    Cohen, who was raised in a Syrian Jewish community in Brooklyn, said.

    “I can’t be part of that party anymore. I don’t want
    to have anything to do with these people.

    As a Jewish person, Cohen says he feels uniquely unsupported by the left:
    “It’s no longer a party that is fighting for human rights
    because you can’t fight for human rights, except for Jewish rights.”

    Over the past year, the standup comic says
    left-wing antisemitism has been overwhelming.

    “We have ‘The Squad.’ We see what’s going on in college campuses.
    We see what’s going on during these protests.
    It’s taking to the streets, and it’s getting crazy,” he said.

    “I’m not saying that there isn’t any hate in the Republican party
    — we have the KKK, the Proud Boys, Charlottesville — but they
    can’t even hold a candle to the scale of what’s going on on the other side.”

    Accordingly, Cohen is planning to vote Republican for the first time.

    “I’m passionate. I’m excited about it, actually,” he said.
    “It’s a fight against Jew hatred, and so now I’m excited about voting for Trump.”

    [3] Sarah Sarkin once took to the streets to protest Trump’s election in 2016,
    waving an “Anybody but Trump” poster. Now she’s voting for him in 2024.

    “Being a mother and watching everything that happened in October [7, 2023]
    made me make the switch,” Sarkin, who is raising her infant son in Syracuse, said.
    “Those images are still seared and tattooed into my memory,
    and it was just horrifying to see some of the reactions on the left.”

    Although she considered herself “as Democrat as can be”
    until recently, Sarkin, 31, re-registered as a Republican.

    “It was a lot of silence on the left, and that really speaks so loudly
    to how a party that I once thought was for equality and for
    protecting us is really not for equal rights,” Sarkin told The Post.

    “Being a liberal was such a big part of my identity,
    so it was a weird thing for me to switch over.
    But I’m at a different part of my life now,
    and it’s time for me to change.”

    After October 7th [2023], the safety of her family and Jewish community
    became Sarkin’s number one priority, as a voter and as a mother.

    Her local mom’s group chats were flooded with panicked posts
    about safety, local protests, and whether or not to send kids
    to school on the “International Day of Jihad,” called for
    by an ex-Hamas leader on Oct. 13. Out of fear for their security,
    Sarkin and her husband also decided to become first-time gun owners this year.

    “I had never even held a gun, and it was scary, but we wanted
    to learn how to protect ourselves,” Sarkin said.
    “This became very real for us very soon.
    It happened in Israel, but it can certainly happen here.”

    As November nears, Sarkin plans to cast her ballot for Trump
    because she believes his commitment to Israel is more resounding.

    “At least for me, I need someone who’s a fighter and who knows where they stand.

    [4] Marin Faiella: ‘I’ve never voted Republican before’

    Marin Faiella has never voted Republican in her life,
    but this November she’ll be casting her ballot for Trump.

    “I think at the end of the day, it’s clear whose policies
    are aligned with a safer, stronger allied relationship with Israel,”
    she told The Post.

    Faiella has always considered herself staunchly pro-choice
    and generally progressive. But October 7th upended her priorities.

    “My number one priority is overall safety and security
    for myself as a Jewish person,” Faiella said.
    “If your basic 101 safety isn’t in place,
    then you can’t really advocate for any additional rights.”

    Faiella, who lives in the West Village and works in real estate,
    says pro-Palestine demonstrations in New York City have been a wake-up call.

    “I saw what was on the streets — celebrations, people shouting
    and dressed as terrorists here in New York City,” she recalled.
    “After October 7th, I was just scared to death,
    in terms of being a Jewish person in the city.”

    The progressives’ reaction to October 7th inspired her
    to change her registration from Democrat to Republican last November,
    but she says “the writing has been on the wall.”

    “There were plenty of warnings that were preludes to
    what we’re seeing out in the open now, like Bella Hadid
    and the woke crowd that have been all in on Free Palestine,”
    Faiella said. Hadid is of Palestinian descent.

    Although she was initially conflicted about re-registering
    as a Republican, she is feeling confident in her choice.

    “I’m not anti-Democrat, but I’m definitely anti-extreme Democrats,”
    she said. “I continue to feel more and more confident and comfortable
    in my skin and my new affiliation. I can always change back,
    but this is where I feel it’s appropriate to be at this point in time.”

    For Faiella, it all comes down to fundamental safety for the Jewish community.

    “We could be Germany [in the] 1930s if we didn’t have
    the government and law enforcement on our side,”
    she warned. “If that ever changed, we wouldn’t be safe here anymore.”

    SOURCE: article titled: “Meet the Jewish Americans
    who feel abandoned by the Democrats, now voting Republican for the first time

    by Rikki Schlott 2024 July 9, The New York Post, www (dot) NYPost (dot) org

    #2322405

    Some dems, such as Eric Adams and Senator Fetterman, have been very supportive of Israel’s security. Some Republicans have been less so. Not all Democrats and Republicans are the same. I trust my fellow yidden to use their seichel when they vote this November and come to their own conclusions about which candidate is better in race, without the need for ridiculous threats of cherem from anonymous people on the internet.

    #2322423
    tzedikis
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    how else will you catch all of Amalek……the only way is to bring this evil to power on whole and diminish it…..you are not Israel, you are America and you are fighting for living in malls and buying cars and fashions while we in Israel are honoring Hashem……if you don’t bring Amalek in all the way how will you dispose of the evil of Musk and all the nonsense from Bezos and the rest of Zuckerberg and nonsense, come home period

    #2322433
    Sam Klein
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    We all have to do our hishtadlus and vote and make sure to vote for the best of klal yisroel but I think we’re missing and forgetting the most important thing when it comes to elections and rulers running countries and even little cities.

    What happened to the famous true fact of “Lev melochim vsorim byad Hashem”? Which means that all the final rulership and closing of all governments decisions-from large countries to tiny cities-are COMPLETELY in the hands of our loving father and king of kings Hashem and that means that in truth all these political rulers-rather it’s King’s to president’s or local town Mayor’s-are just actors and messengers of Hashem chosen to run each of Hashems hundreds of countries across the entire world but Hashem has already decided years ago who will win the American presidential election race for 2024 and yes for 2028 also if we chas Vshalom have not done serious teshuva and Achdus together as one loving nation yet and need to remain in golus chas Vshalom under the fake leadership of these actors playing out as presidents and governors etc…. when we klal yisroel don’t need these actors cause we have our loving father Hashem also as our king of kings over the entire world. Don’t you remember navi? What happened in the Days when klal yisroel entered Eretz Yisroel and asked Hashem for a physical king so we can be like all the other nations? Hashem was very upset and replied back am I not your loving father and also your king of kings? So my children klal yisroel you don’t need a physical king that’s just an actor.

    Let’s all remember this most important fact in life when it comes to politics of “Lev melochim vsorim byad Hashem”

    #2322698
    Chaim87
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    @crazykanoiy
    Re Afghanistan or the Kurdish those are not really Israel and jewish issues. I don’t think everything you quote is accurate but Ill leave that aside for now.\

    Lets discuss Iran, Trump did NOT allow Iran to enrich uriname That’s completely false and you know it. Trump backed out of the Iran deal. The Iran deal was a bad deal that didn’t really stop Iran. Iran was lying and building it anyhow. You forgot Bibi’s map displayed at the UN showing where Iran was building it, in areas that they didn’t let inspectors in. Trump called their bluff. Not that further proof is needed, but you see that Bibi and the Israeli intelligence didn’t like the deal. if it was truly such a great deal why did Israel hate it? The obvious is that it was a bluff. Let me remind you also that trump has the guts to assassinat a top Iranian general Solemani.. Trump has the guts to stand up to Iran.

    Calling an enemy smart whether its Putin or Hezbollah doesn’t diminish anything. It just means beware of the enemy. I think the Nazis YMS were very smart too. Why does that matter or make them less evil? (Incidentally Hezbollah ain’t too smart and Hamas with “Yamus” Sinwar YMS is probably the brightest of the bunch).

    Re is bashing Bibi, yes trump gets crazy like that but at the end of the day his policies are very clear. And his entire party is so pro Israel. trump loves making his base happy. (He likes Ivanaka too). Its insane to call a guy who took the time to go to the reba or reaches out so much to frum jews as an anti semite. Lamsa Harris doesn’t do those stuff. I mean his love for jews is pretty obvious.

    I get that you are blinded by Trump hate. And just to be clear so that you don’t think I buy into the “cult” as you call it. Trump has alot of faults. he is no messiah. For starters , he is bad for the economy, spends too much, causes inflation. China embargos are a bad idea. I think the noise about Immigration is all just fear and blown up out of proportion. The man is corrupt through and through. A zona, con man, weird creep are all true about him. Nevertheless, to deny the fact that he is better for Jews in these crazy times is just so false on so many levels. Its almost as if there is a certain hate trump cult that blinds you into not seeing the truth either.

    #2322700
    SQUARE_ROOT
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    Jonathan S. Tobin (editor-in-chief of Jewish News Syndicate) said:

    “It was an open secret in Washington that even in an administration
    that was staffed largely by Obama-era alumni, [Vice President Kamala] Harris
    was the most openly sympathetic to the Palestinians
    and the least inclined to stand with a Jewish state
    that had suffered the worst mass slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust.

    From the start of the war that was launched by Hamas on Oct. 7 [2023],
    she has been careful not to go too far in denouncing Israel’s effort
    to defeat the terrorists in Gaza, but she [Kamala Harris] has also
    repeatedly recycled Hamas propaganda about Palestinian casualties.

    Though left-wing Jews are already mobilizing to loyally vouch for her,
    her position is essentially one of moral equivalence between Israel
    and the people who committed murder, rape, kidnapping
    and wanton destruction on Oct. 7 [2023],
    while supporting a genocidal terror group bent on Israel’s destruction.”

    SOURCE: article titled: “Do Kamala Harris and the
    Democrats have a Jewish problem
    ?

    by Jonathan S. Tobin (editor-in-chief of Jewish News Syndicate)
    2024 July 23, www (dot) JNS (dot) org

    #2322702
    SQUARE_ROOT
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    This article is from the Jewish News Syndicate (JNS):

    Kamala Harris, the presumptive Democratic nominee for president,
    will be conspicuously absent from her seat, as U.S. vice president,
    behind Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu when
    the latter addresses a joint session of Congress on Wednesday.

    “It is unconscionable to see Vice President Kamala Harris shirk her
    duties as president of the Senate and boycott this historic event,”
    stated Victoria Coates, vice president of the Cullom Davis Institute
    for National Security and Foreign Policy at The Heritage Foundation.

    “If we can’t stand with Israel now, when can we?” Coates’s colleague
    Robert Greenway, director of Heritage’s Allison Center for National Security, agreed.

    “Iran and its terrorist proxies look to eliminate the State of Israel,
    and the United States cannot turn a blind eye to the situation
    as we will be the next in their crosshairs,” Greenway stated.

    “Vice President Kamala Harris’s refusal to preside over the joint
    session of Congress further isolates our closest ally in the region.”
    “It encourages Israel’s enemies, who also have American blood
    on their hands and our hostages in their custody,” he added.
    “We must be better.”

    SOURCE: article titled: “Unconscionable’ Kamala Harris opting
    to ‘boycott’ Netanyahu address to Congress, experts say

    2024 July 24 www (dot) JNS (dot) org

    #2322704
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Andrew Stein (a Democrat who served as New York City
    Council President from 1986 to 1994) said this:

    In 1968, I ran as a Democrat in my first primary election,
    as I sought to become a New York state Assemblyman.

    I fought four more tough primary races against fellow
    Democrats David Dinkins and Robert Wagner Jr.
    as we vied to become Manhattan borough president,
    and yet another in 1985 against Ken Lipper to become City Council president.
    In every primary I had to work my butt off to prove myself
    to my party and my constituents.
    Those races made me a better public servant and a better man.

    That’s what the democratic process is for — and what the
    Democratic Party is all about: testing our candidates through
    primary contests and giving our voters a voice.
    This is not happening with Kamala Harris.
    And it’s one of the reasons the Democratic Party
    will lose to Donald Trump in November.

    If they actually wanted to live up to their name, Democratic
    leaders would insist on an open convention where delegates
    could freely select a presidential nominee in Joe Biden’s place.

    Instead, [Kamala] Harris is getting a free ride
    from the media and from many in her party:

    Those who failed to pass [Joe] Biden off as competent are now
    highly motivated to try to position [Kamala] Harris as someone
    who is qualified to be president.
    The anti-Trump press is ready to deify her,
    Hollywood donors are poised to fill her coffers,
    and the left is going all out to maintain their power.

    Only one problem: [Kamala] Harris is utterly unqualified for the job.

    Harris was one of the worst vice presidents in history,
    an abject failure at virtually every task except for casting tie-breaker
    voters for big spending bills that caused the inflation we’re all suffering through.

    Instead, she fixed it for the left — letting millions of unauthorized immigrants (*)
    pour into this country and then backing free healthcare for them all.

    She has no foreign-policy experience, with a background as a
    California “prosecutor” and less than a full term in the US Senate.

    She has not been tested on the national stage in any serious way
    and got zero votes as a failed presidential candidate.
    She is turning her back on our democratic ally Israel,
    even as it faces attacks on three sides from
    Iranian proxies who are holding Americans hostage.

    Her stance only gives comfort to Hamas and
    signals the continuation of weak-kneed pro-Iran policies.

    This week, in her first speech as a 2024 candidate,
    she promised massive new spending programs.
    As a senator, she backed the full $10 trillion Green New Deal.

    So a vote for [Kamala] Harris is a vote for spending that could
    kick off another round of inflation, continued open borders
    costing us billions, higher energy prices and electric vehicle mandates.

    There isn’t a left-wing idea out there that [Kamala] Harris
    has not supported, from the transgender agenda
    to banning private health insurance altogether.

    Her idea of freedom is joining a union,
    not fostering American individualism and innovation.
    Her idea of the future is expanded
    government handouts for virtually everything.
    Despite [Kamala] Harris’ trademark cackle,
    her election would be no laughing matter.

    All of the flaws and mistakes of the Biden-Harris administration
    will be magnified if the veep [Vice President] makes it to the Oval Office.
    She is nothing but the Great Pretender, the sequel.

    Donald Trump has had to survive false accusations of racism,
    fines meant to bankrupt him, partisan lawsuits in an attempt to jail him,
    an assassin’s bullet — and now even a second
    presidential opponent, after demolishing his first one.

    Don’t be fooled by all the [Kamala] Harris hype:
    She is nothing but a new mask for the left,
    a failed vice president who in nearly four years on the job
    never did anything to distinguish herself.

    As an elected Democratic official for 25 years, I could not
    in good conscience vote for Kamala Harris.
    I would have to vote for Donald Trump.

    (*) NOTE: Eleven million [11,000,000] (or more) illegal aliens.

    SOURCE: article titled: “I ran in Democratic primaries for 25 years
    — the Kamala Harris coronation is a betrayal

    by Andrew Stein 2024 July 24, The New York Post, www dot NYPost dot com

    #2322763
    crazykanoiy
    Participant

    Keith – ISIS was essentially defeated by the US military under Obama. Under Obama the entire caliphate was wrested from their control and they were reduced to one last strong hold of Raqa which was fully surrounded and ready to fall in 2016. Trump had it handed to him on a silver platter and thankfully didn’t mess it all up. In contrast Trump empowered the Taliban, undermined the Afghan government and boasted that he left Biden boxed in to carry out his disastrous capitulation to terrorists. Trump gave the Taliban all they wanted even offering then a visit to Camp David on September 11th.

    #2322764
    crazykanoiy
    Participant

    Keith – under the Iran nuclear deal the Iranian sites were subject to inspection. Saying otherwise is flatly untrue. Trump did not bankrupt or cripple Iran. The money flowed to Hamas under his watch. His own Treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin approved the Qatari fund transfers to Hamas. The fact is Iran increased its uranium production and decreased its breakout time unhindered under Trump. When Trump pulled out of the nuclear deal he boasted that Iran would come begging for a new one and that he would negotiate a better one. This ever happened This is who so many in IDF and Israeli intelligence consider Trump’s pull out of the imperfect but better than nothing deal to be disastrous for Israel

    #2322863
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    CrazyK: Well stated but as you are probably aware, MAGA chassidim refuse to allow historical facts to their deeply-held beliefs regarding the orange-haired Moshiach.

    #2322872

    keith> you are incorrect. He is the one who authorized our military to fight and destroy ISIS

    I agree. One change was rule of engagement: under Obama, every strike required high-level approvals and often spent hours with white house lawyers confirming what can be hit. Trump delegated local commanders to make decisions, so targets were found and hit with no delay. I am sure there was collateral damage, and some misbehaviors came to light, but the ISIS nightmare ended.

    Google trends shows growth of word ISIS in April 2014 and decline Sep 2017.

    But I suggest we can do a simple test – look at pre-election, or pre-Trump inauguration news and see what they were forecasting for ISIS? This would be a good educational experience.

    #2322873

    here are news from Dec 2016 – ISIS weakened but a long road ahead …

    In recent days Islamic State also claimed responsibility for an attack that killed at least 10 people in Jordan, and authorities in Australia said they disrupted an Islamic State Christmas plot.

    U.S. and Iraqi officials say Islamic State’s turn toward terrorism and departure from once hopeful calls for migration to the caliphate is a signal of a weakening organization.

    To governments that have supported the fight against Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, however, a weakened insurgency poses great danger.

    “That is still a serious problem for intelligence and law enforcement,” a senior American official said. “Making sure that we are protecting our homelands and citizens.”

    #2322902
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    This short article is from www (dot) matzav (dot) com:

    During Thursday’s episode of Newsmax TV’s “The Record,”
    Harvard Law School Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz
    commented on Vice President Kamala Harris,
    a Democratic presidential candidate for 2024.

    He [Alan Dershowitz] stated that [Kamala] Harris
    “seemed to create a moral equivalence” and added,
    “she was trying to appeal both to her left-wing,
    anti-Israel people and to the pro-Israel people.
    You can’t do that by creating a false moral equivalence.”

    [Alan] Dershowitz said,
    “Let’s remember that people are trying to make a
    [false] moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel.
    Even the Vice President, Kamala Harris, in her statement,
    seemed to create a moral equivalence between the
    suffering of the Gazans and the people who were killed in Israel.

    The difference is this:
    The people who are suffering in Gaza are suffering as a result of Hamas.
    Hamas is using them as human shields.
    Hamas is the one who is taking their food away.
    Hamas is the one who is firing rockets from mosques and schools.
    So, there is no moral equivalence between Israel’s self-defense actions,
    which are trying to minimize civilian deaths,
    and Hamas’ attempts to increase civilian deaths.”

    SOURCE: article titled: “Dershowitz: Harris Trying
    to Appeal to ‘anti-Israel’ Crowd with ‘Moral Equivalence’
    Between Hamas, Israel

    2024 July 26, www (dot) matzav (dot) com

    #2322903
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    News Reporter Carl Campanile of The New York Post said:

    Nearly half of Jewish voters have felt at risk because of their religious identity 
    while living in the Empire State — while more than a third said that New York
    is no longer a safe haven for their people, a shocking new poll reveals.

    The survey conducted for the pro-Israel New York Solidarity Network 
    found that 44% of the 1,200 Jewish voters in New York City and other counties
    queried said they have felt unsafe, as did 67% of identifiable Orthodox Jews.

    More than a third — 35% — said they agreed with the statement:

    “New York is no longer a safe haven for Jewish life and the Jewish people.”
    Nearly 40% of the same voters said the US is no longer a safe haven for Jews.
    The numbers are unsettling given that 1.5 million Jews live in New York state
    — more than any single place on the globe outside of Israel, the poll takers said. 

    “That more than a third of registered New York Jewish voters believe New York
    is no longer a safe haven for Jews should be a five-alarm fire for state and local elected officials,”
    Sara Forman, executive director of the New York Solidarity Network and Treasurer of Solidarity PAC,
    said in a statement to The Post Wednesday. 

    It comes as New York has been hit by a wave of antisemitic hate crimes
    since Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack on Israel and the ongoing war in the Gaza Strip.

    The hate has spilled onto college campuses, where some Jewish students
    have been left cowering in fear due to anti-Israel protests and antisemitic incidents
    — including at Cooper Union and at Columbia University,
    where vandals occupied an academic building.

    Many of the masked hoodlums escaped prosecution, and a campaign
    is now underway to urge Gov. Kathy Hochul and the state legislature
    to restore a mask ban at public protests to prevent harassers
    and bigots from hiding their identify and getting away with crimes.

    Half of those surveyed by the New York Solidarity Network said
    they don’t believe New York’s college campuses will do enough
    to make Jewish students feel safe in the upcoming fall semester,
    while 42% said they did.

    Meanwhile, 86% of respondents said they believe that antisemitism
    is a serious problem, and 56% have witnessed anti-Jewish hatred
    on social media and online forums — including 72% of those under the age of 30.

    Antisemitic hate crimes are up 45% in 2024, according to NYPD data
    obtained by The Post in April — with many of the emboldened attacks
    captured on shocking video.

    For instance, the Brooklyn Museum’s director and a number of its
    Jewish board members last month were targeted by antisemitic vandals
    who tossed red paint and scrawled “blood on your hands” across their homes.

    An inverted red triangle was sprayed on director Anne Pasternak’s
    co-op apartment building — a symbol used in the past by Hamas
    to identify Israeli military targets and, more recently,
    has been spotted at anti-Israel tent encampment protests
    that plagued university campuses across the country.

    An anti-Jewish harasser from Staten Island was recently arrested 
    for allegedly storming a Big Apple subway car and demanded
    that “Zionists” raise their hands.

    A Jewish father of five in Brooklyn was beaten in front of his own home
    last December during the first night of Hanukkah as his attacker
    spewed antisemitic vitriol — just two days before another man
    was robbed of his $2,500 traditional Jewish headpiece in the borough.

    The virulent Jew hatred has exploded amid the Hamas-Israel war in Gaza,
    initiated by the terror militia’s sneak attack on the Jewish State.

    “Jews have been warning leadership for months, as masked mobs
    teeming with hatred for Jews crowded outside hospitals and synagogues,
    defaced the homes of Jewish museum board members, intimidated Jews
    on the subway and in other public spaces, vandalized Jewish-owned business,
    overran colleges to ‘occupy’ campuses— all while far-left
    politicians celebrated this behavior as ‘peaceful’ protest,” Forman said.

    “If we do not feel safe here, with the largest Jewish community outside of Israel,
    how can we feel safe anywhere?” Forman added.

    “Community leaders, non-Jewish allies, and elected officials on
    the state and local level must send a decisive message to the public,
    and to those elected officials who condone this behavior,
    that anti-Jewish hatred has no place in New York, without exception or apology.”  

    The New York Solidarity Network survey conducted by GQR Insights
    and Action questioned 1,200 registered Jewish voters from May 9-22,
    and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points.

    Live phone interviews made up 46% of respondents,
    while text-to-web surveys made up the other 54%.

    Voters from high density Jewish zip codes were interviewed in New York City
    and select counties: Nassau, Suffolk, Albany, Broome, Erie, Monroe,
    Oneida, Onondaga, Orange, Putnam, Rockland, Sullivan, Tompkins, Ulster and Westchester.

    SOURCE: article titled: “Nearly half of Jewish voters believe NY
    is unsafe for them shocking poll finds

    by Carl Campanile 2024 July 10,
    The New York Post, www (dot) NYPost (dot) org

    ==========================================
    PERSONAL COMMENT: This is happening under the government
    of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris
    and their Democrat Party allies.
    If Kamala Harris is elected (G*D forbid) THEN THIS WILL CONTINUE.
    Vote the Democrat Party OUT OF OFFICE, every single one of them!!!

    #2322905
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    This article is from www (dot) matzav (dot) com:

    Shortly after the October 7 [2023] attack, [Vice President Kamala] Harris
    expressed her support for pro-Hamas college students, stating,
    “I do understand their concerns and I will never attempt
    to stifle or silence young people from expressing their concerns.”

    When Israel announced plans to target Hamas in Rafah,
    [Vice President Kamala] Harris opposed the move,
    arguing on ABC that it was not feasible and
    citing her knowledge from studying maps.

    On October 17, when a protester accused the United States
    and Israel of committing “genocide,” [Kamala] Harris responded,
    “I appreciate you raising the subject and I appreciate your leadership.”

    As a senator, [Kamala] Harris also showed her ambivalence
    toward Israel by voting against federal anti-BDS legislation,
    which passed overwhelmingly in 2019.

    Political analysts suggest that a shift from [Joe] Biden to [Kamala] Harris
    could alienate Jewish Democrats, many of whom prioritize Israel.

    “Pro-Israel Democratic voters are going to hold their noses in many cases
    and vote for Trump. Because Trump may be bad, but no Israel is worse,”
    said Hank Sheinkopf, a veteran Democratic consultant.

    “The pro-Israel Democratic community is shrinking and it will shrink further
    with Kamala Harris because she’s been very clear about how she feels.

    She has limited respect for the most important ally America has
    in the Middle East and an ally that is now fighting a proxy war
    at great cost against America’s greatest enemy, which is Iran,”
    Sheinkopf added.

    SOURCE: article titled: “EXPOSED: Kamala Harris Has Long Line
    of Anti-Israel Statements Following Hamas’ Oct. 7 Terrorist Attacks

    2024 July 27 www (dot) matzav (dot) com

    #2323002
    modern
    Participant

    Trump’s extended family has close ties to Lebanon. Specifically, Tiffany Trump’s husband’s father is the son of a Lebanese billionaire who is a lifelong friend of the Hezbollah bloc’s Presidential candidate there. Her husband and Trump advisor Richard Grenell, a likely Secretary of State in a second Trump Administration, are working to organize Arab American voters in Michigan for Trump. Most of them hate Biden and Harris because of their support for Israel. Note that Rashida Tlaib is NOT supporting Harris for President.

    J D Vance voted against the recent Ukraine Israel Taiwan aid bill. This incredibly pleased Putin, Nasrallah, and Xi when Trump named Vance as his running mate. 14 other Republicans voted against the bill in the Senate. Only two Democrats did. Prior to Trump, those two Democrats — Welch and Merkley — would have been savagely attacked by Republicans and they would deserve such an attack. But in the Trump world it is now considered a good thing to oppose helping friends of the US. Some have objected that we should not be aiding Ukraine. But like Israel, Ukraine was the victim of a horrible unjustified attack by a neighbor. Excusing Putin’s attacks justifies the attacks by Sinwar and Nasrallah — and by the Iranian mullahs. And there is a direct connection between Putin and the mullahs: Putin subsidizes Iran to the tune of tens of billions annually and Russia is the country that allows Iran to evade the sanctions, making them worthless. Anyone not supporting Ukraine against Russia is not supporting Israel against its enemies. It is like opposing Mussolini but not Hitler or vice versa. Russia is the reason Assad is still in power and the reason pro Assad forces including Hezbollah control Lebanon. Trump is clearly a supporter of Russia, probably a Russian asset. The recent Woodward book confirms what we have known for some time.

    And it was Trump himself who greenlighted Iran’s enriching uranium without limits and without monitoring. The JCPOA was a better deal than any of the nuclear deals Nixon and Ford made with the former Soviet Union in the 1970s. It had better provisions for monitoring and it basically killed any hope of Iran having any possibility of getting nuclear weapons for 15 years. Thanks to Trump Iran probably has enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon right now.

    This is all public record, but the MAGA crowd lies about all of it. Trump talks the talk but his actions have the opposite effect from his rhetoric.

    #2323005
    modern
    Participant

    “Some Republicans have been less so.”

    Marjorie Taylor-Greene, Thomas Massie, and Rand Paul have worse records on Israel than any of the Squad members. And that is quite a (negative) accomplishment. 🙁

    #2323008
    modern
    Participant

    “Do we ever imagine a woman with word salads like Harris do some tough talking with Putin?”

    Absolutely. Trump keeps calling Harris stupid, but as we saw in the debate, Harris manipulated Trump like he was an ignorant child. Putin and Xi took note as to how easy it was. Trump will give away the store and not even realize it. We know that he will do that as he surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban and before that threw the Kurds and Free Syrian Army under the bus in order to create “peace” in Syria. It is easy to create peace when you surrender to our enemies, as Neville Chamberlain did in September 1938. At least Chamberlain realized his horrible error six months later. Trump is incapable of error according to himself and his supporters.

    And if you want to see word salads, just read Trump’s incoherent rants on his social media platform. Harris is Shakespeare compared to Trump.

    #2323022
    modern
    Participant

    “Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz”

    LOTS of falsehoods in that statement.

    First, there is no “Democrat Party” in the United States.

    “caused inflation to skyrocket”

    Inflation was lower in the US than in most other developed countries. And nowhere near the highest ever. You want high inflation? Go to Argentina, led by Trump clone Milei. 237% as of the last stats. Milei’s policies have destroyed the country’s economy.

    “eroded the moral fabric of the country”

    Even Trump’s supporters will often admit that it is Trump, not Biden, who is the moral degenerate. He cheated on all three wives. He is the second President (after Harding) to have to pay off a mistress. He has been found liable for hundreds of millions of dollars in civil damages and is as 34x convicted felon. He had to pardon a bunch of his cronies. His own National Security Advisor was an illegal foreign agent for Erdogan and pled guilty to related criminal. We (correctly) claim Erdogan is bad so why would we support someone who puts an Erdogan agent in the White House and pardon him for those offenses?

    “opened the borders”

    That is a lie. People who enter the US get arrested.

    “to millions of unknown and undocumented people from around the world.”

    No, almost all are fleeing tyranny and criminal violence from Central and South America. The law is that if you are in the US or at a port of entry and apply for asylum, you AUTOMATICALLY get a visa to be in the US until your asylum application is adjudicated. Biden simply follows the law, unlike your Cult Leader Trump. (Did I mention 34x convicted felon?)

    “The number of ILLEGAL ALIENS that President Joe Biden and the Democrats allowed to enter the USA
    is more than eleven million: > 11,000,000.”

    That is also a lie. There has been little illegal immigration for the past 15 years. The current wave of migrants from Central and South America are here legally. So are the Haitians in Ohio and elsewhere. Most illegal immigrants in the US are Mexican. It should be mentioned that there are about 40 million Mexicans in the US, and 3/4 are here legally either as students, businessmen, or guest workers, legal permanent residents, or dual nationals. Many have contributed enormously to the US, even in high political offices. The famous baseball great Ted Williams would be a dual US/Mexican national under current law.

    The Lankford bill would have limited the number of asylum applicants, provided for fast tracking those whose applications were unlikely to be approved, and provided additional resources to adjudicate claims. But Trump ordered the Republicans to kill the bill that they themselves had written, because it would have solved the border crisis. Trump needed the border crisis to foment racist hatred. Now that there are fewer asylum applicants, Trump and Vance are now spreading blood libels against Haitians who are here legally. Trump was told before the first debate that the lie about Haitians eating pets was not grounded in fact, but he spouted it during the debate anyway. And the person who made up the lie has copped to it and apologized, but Trump and Vance continue to spout it. You are a fool if you think that there will be no negative consequences to Jews from the normalization of blood libels against others.

    #2323023
    modern
    Participant

    “If you’re a businessman in the US you need a candidate that wants this country to prosper and not end up like Venezuela or Cuba”

    Actually Argentina is now in even worse shape than Venezuela or Cuba today, thanks in part to its Trump-like President Milei. Trump’s economic policies will require printing about eight trillion dollars to pay for his tax and spending plans. That will fuel massive inflation. And if he does deport the 11 million illegal immigrants, it will cause food shortages as the entire food supply chain depends on their labor. There are only about six million unemployed persons in the US today and that means the businesses that employ five million Americans will be unable to function. This will be a self imposed Great Depression.

    #2323113
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    This short article is from www (dot) matzav (dot) com:

    During Thursday’s episode of Newsmax TV’s “The Record,”
    Harvard Law School Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz
    commented on Vice President Kamala Harris,
    a Democratic presidential candidate for 2024.

    He [Alan Dershowitz] stated that [Kamala] Harris
    “seemed to create a moral equivalence” and added,
    “she was trying to appeal both to her left-wing,
    anti-Israel people and to the pro-Israel people.
    You can’t do that by creating a false moral equivalence.”

    [Alan] Dershowitz said, “Let’s remember that people are trying
    to make a [false] moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel.
    Even the Vice President, Kamala Harris, in her statement,
    seemed to create a moral equivalence between the suffering
    of the Gazans and the people who were killed in Israel.

    The difference is this:

    The people who are suffering in Gaza are suffering as a result of Hamas.
    Hamas is using them as human shields.
    Hamas is the one who is taking their food away.
    Hamas is the one who is firing rockets from mosques and schools.

    So, there is no moral equivalence between Israel’s self-defense actions,
    which are trying to minimize civilian deaths,
    and Hamas’ attempts to increase civilian deaths.”

    SOURCE: article titled: “Dershowitz: Harris Trying to Appeal
    to ‘anti-Israel’ Crowd with ‘Moral Equivalence’ Between Hamas, Israel

    2024 July 26, www (dot) matzav (dot) com

    #2323119
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    This article is from www (dot) matzav (dot) com:

    Shortly after the October 7 [2023] attack, [Vice President Kamala] Harris
    expressed her support for pro-Hamas college students, stating,
    “I do understand their concerns and I will never attempt to stifle
    or silence young people from expressing their concerns.”

    When Israel announced plans to target Hamas in Rafah,
    [Vice President Kamala] Harris opposed the move,
    arguing on ABC that it was not feasible
    and citing her knowledge from studying maps.

    On October 17, when a protester accused the United States
    and Israel of committing “genocide,” [Kamala] Harris responded,
    “I appreciate you raising the subject and I appreciate your leadership.”

    As a senator, [Kamala] Harris also showed her ambivalence
    toward Israel by voting against federal anti-BDS legislation,
    which passed overwhelmingly in 2019.

    Political analysts suggest that a shift from [Joe] Biden to [Kamala] Harris
    could alienate Jewish Democrats, many of whom prioritize Israel.

    “Pro-Israel Democratic voters are going to hold their noses
    in many cases and vote for Trump. Because Trump may be bad,
    but no Israel is worse,” said Hank Sheinkopf, a veteran Democratic consultant.

    “The pro-Israel Democratic community is shrinking and it will
    shrink further with Kamala Harris because she’s been very clear
    about how she feels. She has limited respect for the most
    important ally America has in the Middle East and an ally
    that is now fighting a proxy war at great cost against
    America’s greatest enemy, which is Iran,” Sheinkopf added.

    SOURCE: article titled: “EXPOSED: Kamala Harris Has Long
    Line of Anti-Israel Statements Following Hamas’ Oct. 7 Terrorist Attacks

    2024 July 27 www (dot) matzav (dot) com

    #2323309
    joeydweck2002
    Participant

    modern

    Who cares about Massie or MTG? Why would some of you guys literally vote for evil people as long as they support Israel?! WE LIVE IN AMERICA THIS IS MY PLACE THIS IS MY HOME UNTIL MASHIAH COMES. Eretz Yisrael is very important to me but not the secular govt there

    #2323383
    crazykanoiy
    Participant

    Dittos Modern

    #2323672
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Mr. Daniel Greenfield said this:

    “The idea that terrorists attack because they hate freedom,
    however, is misguided,” Philip Gordon wrote in “Winning the Right War.”
    “Even most of the Muslims who support terrorism and trust
    Osama bin Laden favor elected government” and “personal liberty.”

    [Philip] Gordon, [ex-President] Obama’s future Middle East coordinator,
    explained in his book that Muslim terrorists weren’t “born evil”
    and did not “hate our freedoms”, but rather feel “shame” over
    the state of “a once great Islamic civilization”
    surpassed by other cultures including “the local upstart, Israel.”

    America was “creating conditions” that “generate” Islamic terrorism
    by detaining Al Qaeda terrorists, failing to punish American soldiers
    and “justifying any Israeli military action.” Gordon urged
    the White House to assure Iran that we have
    “no intention of using military force against Iran or fomenting internal dissent”
    because “Iran’s concerns about such issues are legitimate.”

    Published in 2007 by an imprint of The New York Times,
    [Philip] Gordon’s book was a blueprint of the policies the
    Obama administration would adopt,
    including blaming America and Israel,
    appeasing Iran and Islamists and making
    Muslims feel better about themselves.
    These are the building blocks of the policies that led us
    to October 7 [2023] and an Iranian war across the region.

    Today, [Philip] Gordon is Kamala’s national security adviser,
    and possible future secretary of state.

    [Philip] Gordon’s hostility toward Israel and sympathy for
    Islamic terrorists is a longstanding matter. Even before joining
    the Biden administration, he had co-written an article with
    Iran lobby figure Robert Malley, currently under FBI investigation
    for mishandling classified documents, urging Biden
    to reverse Trump’s possible recognition of Israel territory
    and to cut political and economic support for Israel to punish it
    for its diplomatic successes under the Trump administration.

    Recently, [Philip] Gordon urged Israel to stop seeking victory
    against Hamas and accept a hostage deal that would allow the
    Islamic terrorist group to hang on in Gaza and free thousands of terrorists.

    In his book, [Philip] Gordon claimed that
    “though Hamas refuses to recognize Israel today,
    it is not hard to imagine an eventual change in that position.”
    And in 2014, he argued that a reconciliation deal
    between the PLO and Hamas “isn’t necessarily a bad thing.”

    In 2016, Gordon, speaking on behalf of the Clinton campaign,
    appeared at a conference of the National Iranian American Council (NIAC),
    widely regarded as the Iran lobby, and promised that Hillary Clinton
    would veto new sanctions on Iran. He was described as assuring
    the Iran lobby of the “potential for collaboration with Iran.”
    The New York Times even appeared to list him as a “tour guide” on its Iran trips.

    And [Philip] Gordon is not the only terror booster on Kamala’s team.

    Ilan Goldenberg, a key member of the Kerry team who played
    vital roles in the Obama administration’s campaigns against Israel
    and for Iran, serves as her Middle East adviser,
    and would have a more prominent role in any administration.

    [Ilan] Goldenberg complained that the Trump administration had
    taken Israel’s side during the Hamas border riots that served as
    a prep for Oct. 7, objected that moving the embassy to Jerusalem
    had not been packaged with similar concessions to the terrorists
    and co-authored a paper with Hady Amr,
    who acts as Biden’s point man to the terrorists.

    The paper proposed that “the United States, UNSCO, and Egypt
    should work quietly in concert, engaging with Israel, the PA, Hamas”
    to secure a “long-term ceasefire” between Israel and Hamas,
    with Israel accepting that “Hamas would retain some of its military capabilities.”

    At one session Goldenberg urged, “You used to have 25,000,
    100,000 Gazans working inside Israel. That needs to happen again.
    The Israelis know who these guys are.
    They can start with a few thousand work permits.
    And there’s a lot of support for that in all of the Israeli communities around Gaza.”

    Prior to Oct. 7 [2023], Gazans flooded Israel, scouted those
    “Israeli communities around Gaza” and when Oct. 7 began,
    came back with maps of the communities so that they knew
    where the security teams were,
    which houses had dogs and where the children could be found.

    [Philip] Gordon and [Ilan] Goldenberg, who are set to play major roles
    in a Harris administration, have expressed no regrets or retractions
    of their past policies and positions. Even as the Middle East burns
    due to Iranian terrorism, all they have done is double down.

    In a co-written op-ed headlined, “Relax, Israel — if your ally
    is working with your enemy, it doesn’t make them friends
    .”
    Goldenberg envisioned that “In the aftermath of a successful nuclear deal,
    U.S. relations with Iran should shift from that of an adversary to that of a competitor.”

    His position on Israel was rather different, with op-eds like
    Why Israel’s Settlement Construction Must Be Stopped” and
    How Israel Brought U.N. Resolution on Itself With Irrational Settlement Push”.

    Under a Secretary of State Phil Gordon, the Abraham Accords
    and normalization with countries like Saudi Arabia, which one
    of his op-eds described as an “Arabian fantasy,” would be
    swept aside in a return of Obama’s non-stop
    pressure campaign on Israel to create a terrorist state.

    “How will it have peace if it is unwilling to delineate a border,
    end the occupation, and allow for Palestinian sovereignty, security, and dignity?”
    Gordon had said at a conference in Israel right after terror rockets began to fall.
    “It cannot maintain military control of another people indefinitely.
    Doing so is not only wrong but a recipe for resentment and recurring instability.”

    After the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens by Hamas,
    Gordon equated Israel and the terrorists, claimed that both sides
    suffered from “racism,” told “both sides to demonstrate reason and calm”
    and warned that “calls for retribution and revenge have no place on either side.”
    Finally he falsely contended that “neither side” was
    “ready to make the difficult decisions required for an agreement.”

    Goldenberg had similarly argued that “half the root causes are Israeli actions,
    in terms of — especially just focusing on Gaza, on the blockade.
    And the other half is Hamas’s choice to use violence and arm itself in response.”

    That false paradigm has been markedly present
    in Kamala’s attacks on Israel after Oct 7 [2023].

    Kamala’s relentless criticism of Israel’s self-defense is a preview of things to come.
    Behind her escalating rhetoric are a group of anti-Israel figures
    from the Obama administration. Goldenberg was one of
    the radicals brought in by the Warren campaign and
    then injected into the Biden administration.

    Gordon is a longtime State Department anti-Israel figure
    from a faction whose fingerprints are all over
    the policies that empowered Iran and set the region on fire.

    What would Kamala’s foreign policy look like?
    The presence of Gordon and Goldenberg as her close advisers
    on the region shows that it would be the Obama administration on steroids.

    SOURCE: article titled: “Kamala’s anti-Israel
    advisers helped bring on Oct. 7

    by Daniel Greenfield 2024 July 29 www (dot) JNS (dot) org

    #2323691
    crazykanoiy
    Participant

    Joey – If you cared about America you would never vote the guy who tried to overturn an election, seat fake electors, pressure his VP to violate the Constitution and pressure a state AG to “find him the votes.” You wouldn’t vote for a convicted felon and you wouldn’t vote for a man who wants to ignite a crippling trade war with his insane tariffs. You wouldn’t vote for a guy who spreads racist lies about legal Haitian immigrants and you wouldn’t vote for a guy who spreads lies abc misinformation during times of national disaster. Trump is bad for America and bad for Democracy.

    #2323674
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Elon Musk attacked Kamala Harris
    as an “extinctionist” in a particularly sharp X post.

    The billionaire was commenting on another post penned by
    Donald Trump’s running mate, Sen. J.D. Vance (R-OH),
    in which he attacked Kamala Harris for saying that
    the threat of climate change has played a part in many people’s
    decisions to have kids — among a number of other major life decisions.

    “It’s almost like these people don’t want
    young people starting families or something.
    Really weird stuff,” Vance wrote.

    [Elon] Musk took Vance’s criticism to another level,
    arguing that [Kamala] Harris’ acknowledgement of so-called
    “climate anxiety” among young people meant
    she was advocating for the “de facto holocaust for all of humanity.”

    SOURCE: article titled:
    Elon Musk Calls Kamala Harris an ‘Extinctionist’ in X Post
    2024 July 29 www (dot) matzav (dot) com

    #2324228

    I think some people here have a desire to help others – they re-post political statements (from both sides) so that others don’t have to go to treife media. But, as a downside, you condition the group to talk in the same way. Maybe we should have a separate thread – press-releases – and then have a kosher discussion where people do not lie to each other?

    #2324232
    interjection
    Participant

    @modern claims: “Inflation was lower in the US than in most other developed countries. And nowhere near the highest ever. You want high inflation? Go to Argentina, led by Trump clone Milei. 237% as of the last stats. Milei’s policies have destroyed the country’s economy.”

    In truth, Melei entered office in December 2023. The inflation continued to climb the next 4 months, and peaked in April. The rate has gone down month after month starting in May, and is currently less than when he entered office. Clearly, his policies are working.

    #2328491
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Joshua Marks of Jewish News Syndicate said:

    “Former Israeli ambassador to the United States Michael Oren
    on Sunday called for the White House to state unequivocally
    that Jerusalem is not committing genocide in the Gaza Strip,
    after U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris appeared to equivocate on the issue.

    The Democratic nominee for president [Kamala Harris] appeared
    to suggest at a campaign event in Milwaukee that the Jewish state
    was committing genocide, in an incident involving an anti-Israel heckler.”

    SOURCE: article titled: “Harris Genocide Accusation
    ‘shocking,’ says Former Israeli Ambassador

    by Joshua Marks, 2024 October 20, www (dot) JNS (dot) org

    #2328632
    Ex-CTLawyer
    Participant

    I am very tired of Jewish one issue voters who keep harping on which candidate is best for Israel.

    This is an election for President of the United States being chosen by US citizens.

    If Israelis were elected a head of State they should choose who is best for Israel. Americans must choose who is best for the United States. It is possible to be the same person

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