If Bernie Sanders is Jewish, I'm a Christmas Tree

newbee

“Ha yea, I will charge interest to a non-Jew and Bernie Sanders alike. “

I don’t think that is halachicly sound.

Though I cant help but notice you didn’t answer DY’s question. Regarding amira lakum. I’m not sure why you say it isn’t relevant

You also didn’t answer Sam’s regarding marrying a ger.

I have some more: Would you eat Bernie Sander’s chametz after PEsach? What about John Smith’s?

It is also proof the the majority of Americans (and US presidents) are of either British or German Decent. There are likely more jews living in Great Britain today than any other time in history. Jews never really lived there and were expelled in 1190 and never officially let back in (Slowly the laws were changed to allow them, but it wasnt one event)

In Germany which wasnt a country until 1870 jews never really were a large part of the population and they did not really assimilate until the mid 19th century by which time most of the german immigration to the US already occured

newbee: So every Ger is a Safek Mamzer and Assur to marry?

You can argue that it is different (for example, Rov Yisroel in Eretz Yisroel), but you can’t argue that a true welfare state (single payer, minimum guaranteed income) would not be a boon for Kollel Bochrim in America and increase Limud HaTorah.

Sorry about that.

Ha yea, I will charge interest to a non-Jew and Bernie Sanders alike. “

I don’t think that is halachicly sound.

Nor do I.

Avram: Sure. Incest is one example. Also, a purported non-Jew may have sinned with an eishes ish who did have an earlier halachic marriage that never terminated and generations later none of the decedents were aware of their Jewish lineage.

Hilchos Matanos Aniyim does not contain anything that can even be remotely misconstrued to support a generous welfare state. Even by the most creative Torah-twisters of the world like Charlie and his spiritual adviser, Avi Weiss.

To the contrary, based on the tzedaka parameters enumerated there, both regarding the giver and the recipient, the RAMBAM would be against such a system. Such sick “generosity” has taken trillions of dollars in income from the pockets of hard-working people and mostly wasted it on those who despise hard work. Worse, it has created an increasing cycle of dependency that has ruined generations.

Then there’s the silly idea of advocating a welfare state to support able-bodied people who decide to learn in kollel. That wouldn’t be considered tzedaka, which is mandatory. At best, for the actually deserving few, it would be considered hachzakas haTorah, which isn’t mandatory.

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So we see that all these stuff about “safek mamzerim” does not hold water – and see what Ulla said to Rav Yehuda regarding this (Kiddushin 71b). Unfortunately, some people have nothing to do but throw up smokescreens.

ubiquitin, I actually raised the issue because I couldn’t figure out [at first] what you meant.

Incidentally why do people get a kick out of these obviously silly outlandish statements most holocaust victims werent Jewish, “Much of India, Spain, Africa, the US, all of Europe” are probably Jewish (ALL of Europe? Really?)

I wasn’t sure if the absent punctuation marks were: a comma after the word “statements”, quotation marks before “most” and after “Jewish,” or if there was supposed to be a period after “statements” and “Jewish”.

Don’t you think halacha is meaningful?

Thank you, ZD.

I personally asked Harav Moshe Heinemann, shlita,

Of Star K and Shabbos Oven fame? Puk Chazi that the Gedolim in EY disagree with him.

If my friend John is not Jewish but believes in Hashem and is “frum”, would you say it is not a meaningful difference?

Oh wow, John Brown is allowed to vaccuum the shul on shabbos before mincha and Sanders would not be allowed to according to many Rabbis!

Wow what a meaningful difference!

“Of Star K and Shabbos Oven fame? Puk Chazi that the Gedolim in EY disagree with him.”

What a childish red-herring, even from you. This is a simple question of the definition of tzedaka and nowhere do the Gedolim of E”Y disagree. Regarding the ovens, Harav Heinemann, shlita, told people to listen to the Gedolim.

Get back to work, gavra.

Perhaps the OP’s name is Tennenbaum, oh Tennenbaum.

newbee

Nobody is saying you should somebody’s picture becasue he is Jewish. Nobody here is saying you should vote for somebody becasue he is Jewish these are straw-men that you have made up.

What we are arguing on is two statments that you made which are both factually and logically wrong.:

1) “Much of India, Spain, Africa, the US, all of Europe- im sure many of these people are techinically Jewish”

and (to a greater extent)

2) “Because he is not Jewish in any meaningful way.”

Several direct questions challenging one or both of those incorrect assertions have been asked and you have thus far not even attempted to answer. (specificly: why you dont consider halachicly Jewsih “meaningful”? whether you can eat Bernie Sander’s Chametz after PEsach? Wether you can eat a Goy’s Chametz after PEsach? If Amira L’akum can ever be utilized? differences between Sander’s and other sregarding conversion, MArriage etc etc etc.)

All you say is “I wont be posting his photo on my wall now.”

That sit the issue. I dppnt think anybody here has a picture of Sanders. Johnson or Einstein for that matter, on their walls.

As for your subtitle. I’m not clear why you oppose it “If Bernie Sanders is Jewish, I’m a Christmas Tree” Well he is (even if you, in oposition to chazal, don’t consider it “meaningful”) Which of course makes you ” a Christmas Tree” Either be proud and embrace what you are, or admit you were mistaken.

BTW mods, I never thanked you for my subtitle. It nice not to have the generic “member” i feel more a part of this community, so thank you.

While we’re being offended, I am very offended that Newbee was not offended at what I said. I of course did not intend it to be offensive, but now I see what offends him, so I’m offended that he wasn’t offended.

“my favorite tree is oak”

Mine are dogwoods, they’re gorgeous. Pink in the spring, green summertime, and burgundy in the fall.

I also love the maple tree, especially when I’m out of town, I ‘pine’ for them.

newbee – I (maybe among others) suggested it. I also apologize if it made you feel bad. 🙁

nowhere do the Gedolim of E”Y disagree.

Adopt A Kollel, for one.

Harav Heinemann, shlita, told people to listen to the Gedolim

Star-K’s website still says you can change the temperature on Yom Tov.

I’m not saying he isn’t a bigger Talmid Chochom than I will ever be, but his shittos are not mainstream EY Charaidi. Neither are Rav Hershel Shachter’s, so if you told me that he told you what you quote, I would say the same thing.

Trumps daughter is jewish, she converted orthodox

Gantz Shayich.