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@Chaim87, such a person doesn’t exist in Judaism. There is no person whom we believe make no mistakes, as is well stated in many many seforim and explicit in pasukim of nuvi sheker. this includes the well known line in koheles “there’s no tsadik in the word that doesn’t sin”, and that is true even after the fact. You seem to think there is someone who even before they have acted would demand belief that whatever they do (in the future) is automatically kosher.
Our greatest leaders, every one of the Sheva Ro’im, has made (very well known) mistakes that we explicitly learn about their nature, why it happened, and how to avoid emulating it.
Nothing and no one is beyond the established guidelines of the Torah.@somejewiknow
Fair enough and that includes the Satmar Reba zya too.
Still a Gadol is someone who you know was close to hashem and who generally is correct. We definitely don’t look at thier actions as kefira or borderline kefira. And so where they Gedolim?Now that you’ve explained what a מסית ומדיח is, now explain why Rav Kook fits that definition. I do suggest that you do some real research into Rav Kook’s life and his writings and not just take the Satmarer’s anti-Israel screed at face value.
To digress for a half-second, if you can’t figure out why your posts are not being posted, maybe consider your use of the terms “שם רשעים ירקב”, “מסית ומדיח” and “ימח שמו” and whether they are appropriate or not.
The reason for Chaim’s question whether those Rabbanim would be considered “Gedolim” in your eyes is because you clearly believe anyone who disagreed with the Satmarer vis a vis the “Z word” to be a heretic. Now answer the question.
Re: gedolim. We used to have a smicha from Moshe Rabeinu, and now we have some sort of semicha. So, I would define a set of talmidei chachomim those who got either formal semicha or some srt of respect from other T’Ch. And then within that set, identify rankings – who asks whose questions as gemora often does.
for example, R Soloveitchik learned with his father and grandfather and also with R Ozer (at least during visits home when he was @ University of Berlin). He was also part of early Moetzes until he decided to leave it.
to the original topic, I noticed that front page direct quotes from many RYs are consistent in seeking protection to BNEI YESHIVA. There are also some that say that “nobody should go” … but the theme of “bnei yeshiva” seems to be more consistent. I am thinking that these RYs are implicitly admitting that those who are not learning could go to IDF, they just not saying it directly to the face of the public. But when politicians come to the RYs, they respond – please protect bnei yeshivos. So, possible those who are trying to extend this protection to those who are simply members of the same community as bnei yeshiva, who live on the same street, and wear same type of hats – should not be relying that RYs will be fighting to protect them.
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“someone who you know was close to hashem and who generally is correct. We definitely don’t look at thier actions as kefira or borderline kefira”
…is every yid who displays himself as fully shomer Torah and Mitzvos, who have a “chezkas kashris”
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