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Summer is finally here and with it comes the joyful sound of the ice cream truck.
Many parents in my neighborhood and the neighborhoods near mine are unhappy with the added pressure created by their children asking for ice cream every day.
There have been a number of approaches I’ve heard from just giving their kids the $4+ for an ice cream each time to using it as an incentive program for rare occasions to flat out refusing to buy from a truck.
My question is, how frequent is too frequent and how can we coordinate between the (at least) two separate companies sending ice cream trucks into the neighborhood daily, to keep the frequency reasonable (or is it unreasonable to not want multiple ice cream trucks contesting the development per day)?There’s an old concept of a parent telling a child “no”.
Even if it has gone out of style in America.
It should be based on the weather.
Most had cream truck vendors appreciate the input of the neighborhood and are very accommodating.
With all the problems to worry about in the world, I don’t see this one on the radar.
Fake
I have the same problem with local Pizza store, its open from morning till night every day (not Shabbos)
Kids always want Pizza, creates way too much pressure
how many days a week and to how many hours do you think the store should be limited to?“is it unreasonable to not want multiple ice cream trucks contesting the development per day”
to answer your question, it isn’t unreasonable not to want it. IT is unreasonable to think there is something you should be allowed to do about it as far as controlling/limiting them
This past Shabbat, I visited a family that has many guests.
When the time came for dessert, they served iced cream.
Since I cannot eat dairy foods, checked the box, to verify that it was pareve.
I could not find a kashruth symbol, even after inspecting the box many times.
I showed the box to the host & hostess,
who also could not find any kashruth symbol.The iced cream was taken back, and thrown in the garbage.
Just feed the kids fleischiges every day for lunch and supper (excluding the three weeks). No ice cream from the truck….extra bonus: salami and eggs for breakfast
I keep a tub of ice cream in the freezer Every time the ice cream truck comes I take it out and scoop a portion into a cone
This costs me 20 to 30 cents instead of $4 and my kids are happyubiquitin,
“I have the same problem with local Pizza store, its open from morning till night every day (not Shabbos)”
Unless the pizza store rolls down your street every day playing music, this is not an equivalent example.
ujm,
“”There’s an old concept of a parent telling a child “no”.”
I don’t think this is the problem @fakenews described. Kids are kids. If you occasionally let them get treats from an ice cream truck, they will ask or clamor every time they hear the music. So the issue is not with saying no, but with feeling burdened by having to repeatedly say no due to external stimuli. The solution (other than rolling burning tires onto your street to keep the trucks out), simply put but harder to implement, is to find a way to manage their expectations. Some of the respondents here had some good ideas.
CTLAWYER,
“Just feed the kids fleischiges every day for lunch and supper (excluding the three weeks).”
That’s not necessarily a cheaper or healthy solution.
HolyMoe,
“I keep a tub of ice cream in the freezer Every time the ice cream truck comes I take it out and scoop a portion into a cone
This costs me 20 to 30 cents instead of $4 and my kids are happy”This solves the expense issue, but you’re allowing external factors to control your decisions of when to give your kids treats. If two ice cream trucks go down your street daily, do your kids get two ice cream cones a day??
takahmamash,
“With all the problems to worry about in the world, I don’t see this one on the radar.”
So? Does the CR need gatekeepers to only allow discussions of what you see to be problems?
“There have been a number of approaches I’ve heard from just giving their kids the $4+ for an ice cream each time to using it as an incentive program for rare occasions to flat out refusing to buy from a truck.”
We go with the latter. We’ve only bought from a truck when out in “tourist mode”, not when the truck comes down our street. We give our kids a small allowance when certain expectations are met. Within our house rules, they can spend the money as they want. When it runs out, it runs out until they earn more.
Just tell the kids that you don’t trust the truck kashrus.
I used to worry when I went to the store with several little kids that they’ll consume or destroy all the attractive items that are on display at the lower level while we were waiting for the cashier. Then, I inspected the aisle more carefully and realized that these items are there on purpose to attract the children’s attention. So, I turned to simply defending the cart from kids adding items to the cart. The rest would be store’s problem.
> The iced cream was taken back, and thrown in the garbage.
There are no goyishe kids in your town!?
@Avram
My mother served Fleishiges for lunch and supper, as did my Oma, and the late Mrs. CTL.Kosher milchiges is very expensive. If the fleisch is the flavoring to the meal (a bit of cut up chicken in a salad, or a meatball with pasta) it need not be more expensive than dairy or unhealthy.
Yesterday, we ate a cold Shabbos lunch in our garden. It was a salad, assorted marinated/pickled vegetables and the main course was a luckshen kugel made with ground meat, onions and garlic for flavoring. The entire kugel, which fed 10 used only 1.5 pounds of ground beef.
Today for lunch, I will make chicken skewers on the grill using leftover roast chicken from Friday night.
Being fleishige most of the time, I am glad I drink black coffee
> Ice cream truck frequency
Just find out what the frequency is, jam it with white noise, and the kids will not hear the sound.
You can teach your kids that ice cream is a special treat and you don’t have to get every single day just because the ice cream truck is here.
There is no obligation to get ice cream just because the ice cream is driving through the neighborhood. If you want to get ice cream, that’s your choice, not the driver’s choice.Avram: I don’t know about you, but personally, I was happy to see CTLAWYER swooping in with some comedy. Shows to me that he’s coming back to himself after a horribly difficult period in his life. May he, and all of us, know no more tzaar.
CTLAWYER,
“Kosher milchiges is very expensive. If the fleisch is the flavoring to the meal (a bit of cut up chicken in a salad, or a meatball with pasta) it need not be more expensive than dairy or unhealthy.”
Do you keep cholov Yisroel? In my neck of the woods, ground beef costs $5.99/lb on sale, and $7.99/lb when not. Chicken legs are around $3.50/lb. A 2lb bag of shredded cholov Yisroel mozzarella is $8.99 at Costco, and a gallon of Pride of the Farm whole milk is $6.99. If you don’t keep CY, that gallon of milk is half that or even less. Both the dairy and meat are expensive, but the dairy goes much further to feed my family. The 2lb bag of cheese can make 3-4 pans of ziti, and the gallon of milk can serve quite a few bowls of cereal. Milk nearing its expiration date + vinegar on the stove makes ricotta cheese for lasagna. For us in general, the cost of meat for one meal would get us 2+ dairy meals.
yeshivaguy45,
“You can teach your kids that ice cream is a special treat and you don’t have to get every single day just because the ice cream truck is here.”
Right, but for kids every day is special.
food prices fluctuate … in Gemora, chicken was a delicatessen, now it is viewed inferior to meat. Maybe our chicken is not like their chicken.
Also, maybe CTL owns a fleishig farm somewhere in Texas. US probably was the first to have general population eat a lot of fleishig after railroads in 19th century enabled delivery of meat from Midwest to Northeast. I presume CTL’s forefathers bet on a farm early on.
Don’t think he owns a whole farm, but he explained in the past that his family raises a veal (or more?) every year, together with a non-jewish neighbour who gets the rear part. My guess is that he likes fleishig because that’s what he used to eat as a child. I know Sefardim who are like that. In the old world, milchig meant cooked in the milchig pot, perhaps with a bit of butter….. and fleishig meant cooked in the fleishig pot, perhaps with some shmaltz. Both milk/butter and eggs were sold, the veal was sold. And preparing chicken and meat takes time and effort, if people had to actually do it, the number of vegetarians would skyrocket.
I agree with midwestern, and may he and all of us know no more tzaaros.
Always_Ask_Questions said:
“in Gemora, chicken was a delicatessen”You meant to say:
“in Gemora, chicken was a delicacy”“chicken was a delicatessen”, a lot of deli meats are poultry based, in fact most of the deli meats in Israel are poultry based, so chicken can be deli.
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