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Phil,
Very lengthy posts with very little substance. Effective communication is saying the most using the least amount words.
I will respond to this:
“However it seems as the only ones you listen to are those who speak on the liberal mainstream media news or through political channels.”
You don’t know what from where I contain whatever information it is that I possess.
However, you dismiss the fact that the vast majority of scientists are not in agreement with your position. Rather, you pick out a few only because they seem to be in agreement with your position.
This is a very biased approach, seems like you made up your mind, you just need to cherry-pick a few people that happen to support part of what you believe in.
DY -“Many were fraudulent or invalid, and the few which seemed to show ivermectin prevents death were all in locations with a high prevalence of worms.”
Do you work for the Corrupt government or you just believe whatever you’re told?!?
Only one Study was retracted, Not the Others!
So Stop Lying!Health,
What does the government have to do with this?
If hospitals refuse to use it, that is a decision made by the administration or the group of doctors managing the care of the patient.
If individual providers believe that a drug is effective against the Covid virus, they can prescribe it.
If the patients only seek care once they are at the point that they need to be admitted and are at the mercy of the hospitalists or doctors employed by the hospital, that refuse Ivermectin, why should the government get involved?
I am just trying to understand the logic behind your arguments.
2cents, the way I communicate, whether you like it or not, has nothing to do with the topic at hand. And talking about substance, I find your posts lacking of any EVIDENCE proving my position wrong. All you do is try to shtech and point fingers in my direction, but there’s absolutely nothing of substance, no scientific proof nor peer reviewed studies proving the vaccine effective at preventing people from getting covid and preventing the virus from spreading.
If you get your info from other sources than mainstream news media and official political channels then you’d know that there’s no such thing as the “majority of doctors” supporting the so-called vaccine. I am definitely dismissing the non-fact that the majority of scientists and doctors are not in agreement with my position that the so-called vaccines cannot be mandated. Regarding whether they think that the so-called vaccine is effective or not or the if the risks of the vaccines outweighs the benefits, doctors and scientists have different positions on that however there’s no way to prove that the majority of hundreds of thousands doctors and scientists worldwide believe that taking the vaccine is effective and safe, especially when doctors cannot freely voice their opinions on this issue.
About cherry picking I say the same about you. I don’t know where you get your data from but it seems to me that you do not have ANY data at all only parroting what you have heard. I have read many scientific articles and listened to many scientists and doctors. I have also heard from doctors in the mainstream media and have come to the conclusion of who truly presented more scientific knowledge and evidence backing their words and who are shills for the pharmaceutical companies. If that’s called cherry picking in your book it’s simply because of WHAT conclusion I’ve arrived to which doesn’t sit well with you…
<em,>Do you work for the Corrupt government or you just believe whatever you’re told?!?
You keep telling everyone to read some wacko fringe website, then complain that I believe everything I read?
Read Scott Alexander who debunked a lot more than the one blatant fraud.
Phil
“I find your posts lacking of any EVIDENCE proving my position wrong”
Correct, I have not tried to present any arguments, all I did was ask some questions, something you call “shtech and point fingers in my direction”.
“If you get your info from other sources than mainstream news media and official political channels then you’d know that there’s no such thing as the “majority of doctors” supporting the so-called vaccine.”
– The above is something you established, but not factual.“especially when doctors cannot freely voice their opinions on this issue.”
– Any of your personal doctors voice being suppressed?“About cherry picking I say the same about you.”
– At least your being honest, cherry-pick the people that seemed to be aligned with your position, don’t care about the rest of the data or scientists.“If that’s called cherry picking in your book it’s simply because of WHAT conclusion I’ve arrived to which doesn’t sit well with you…”
– Cherry picking: is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related and similar cases or data that may contradict that position.philosopher,
” the way I communicate, whether you like it or not, has nothing to do with the topic at hand”
– It has to do with your posts. Your extended posts with little actual substance making a poor attempt at dismissing the position of the vast majority is what I was referring to.Philospher,
“2cents, I did not ask for a list of scientists from AAQ.”
– Correct, no one said you did ask.However, you did write the following:
“AAQ, you never mention which articles you read and by which doctors they are written. And I honestly don’t care.”– I just pointed out the hypocrisy of your posts, making accusations while being guilty of the same.
2scents -“What does the government have to do with this?
If hospitals refuse to use it, that is a decision made by the administration or the group of doctors managing the care of the patient. Etc.”Your statements would make sense if the Country was normal.
But since the country isn’t, so I can only guess.
So why did these people take these hospitals to court?
Why doesn’t the hospital just give in?
The only thing that I can think of – is the hospital is afraid of the government.
You do know that most hospitals get a lot of money from them!
So I figure, the hospitals are willing to go to court to Not Offend the Government Protocols when it comes to Covid 19.
This is Corruption at its worst form.
That’s why I call the Government Genocidal!DY -“Read Scott Alexander who debunked a lot more than the one blatant fraud”
I’m Not reading anything because you Say So!
You’re more than welcome to post it here on YWN CR.“You keep telling everyone to read some wacko fringe website, then complain that I believe everything I read?”
LOL.
Do have any proof that you called it “Wacko Fringe website”?
All that website is – a collection of All the Studies.But the government doesn’t want anyone to know that their Covid 19 protocols weren’t based on the Medical Science.
Why does the government hide this from e/o?!?
Because they can Fool people like you to believe everything they Say!Health > So why did these people take these hospitals to court?
Why doesn’t the hospital just give in?Could you clarify – is this your observation that all or majority of hospitals prevent patients from taking this medicine, or you are simply quoting a news article that this happened somewhere?
2cents, what I say has no substance TO YOU. If you don’t understand the simple things I’m saying it doesn’t mean my words have no substance, you just simply do not understand what I’m saying.
You gloss over the fact that you do not have proof to back you claim that a majority of doctors and scientists globally say that the so-called vaccines are safe and effective so your attempts to disprove my words are mere fluff and actually stupid. Why would I believe in your “majority” when there’s no proof of any majority. That is so incredibly stupid and on top of that, the majority of people where not always in the right, you should learn from history, there are plenty instances of that. But that’s beside the point, the main point is that you can’t even prove that the majority of doctors and scientists are pro covid-19 shots yet you keep on insisting that I cannot have an opinion that is different than the “majority”. Now go ahead and prove the “majority” of doctors and scientists worldwide think that the shot has been proven safe and effective in stopping the virus from spreading.
It seems like you don’t understand what the word “hypocrisy” means. Again, I never asked AAQ for his sources and neither do I care what his sources are. But since he was the one who started this by saying that we anti-covid-19-shot individuals get our info from websites and we don’t post our sources, I was simply pointing out that it’s hypocritical of him to say that when he does the same. Since you seem incapable of comprehending this simple little fact, it won’t help if you call me hypocritical, it is simply showing that you can’t follow conversations.
AAQ -“Could you clarify – is this your observation that all or majority of hospitals prevent patients from taking this medicine, or you are simply quoting a news article that this happened somewhere?”
I was quoting a few articles.
But being in Medicine a long time, I would think a lot would do the same as those Hospitals.
Why you might ask?
Because they are more afraid of crossing the Government than anything else.
Look at all these medical laws created by Non – medical personnel.I’ll give one example – NP’s can work with autonomy, but PA’s need a Supervising Doc.
This is because the Nursing Practice have more Clout with Politicians.
If anything PA’s are at least equal to NP’s or maybe even better Trained!Health, these medicines are early interventions and cheap, right? Why does the patient need hospital permission? I understand that there could be a freak case of someone who has no relative to help and isolated, but that would not be a typical patient.
Phil > I was simply pointing out that it’s hypocritical of him to say that when he does the same.
I went back to see maybe my posts indeed lack references, here is who I quoted just in this thread:
Karl Popper
Biontech CEO
Lancet article from Britain talks about this: Reinfection with new variants of SARS-CoV-2 after natural infection, Dec 2021
Malone’s Linkedin
Lower Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Viral Shedding Following Coronavirus Disease 2019 Vaccination Among Healthcare Workers in Los Angeles, California
Paul C Adamson November 2021,
Scott Atlas
Riemersma KA, Grogan BE, Kirta-Yarbo A, et alVaccinated and Unvaccinated Individuals Have Similar Viral Loads in Communities with a High Prevalence of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant. medRxiv. 2021 Jul 31;
Effectiveness of mRNA and ChAdOx1 COVID-19 vaccines against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection and severe outcomes with variants of concern in Ontario
Rav ChaimAAQ -“Why does the patient need hospital permission? I understand that there could be a freak case of someone who has no relative to help and isolated, but that would not be a typical patient.”
I partially answered this already.
Pts most of the time only seek medical care, when it’s already late in the disease.
So they end up in the hospital, because they are very sick.
Then the hospital only treats what the Government regulations are.
Unfortunately they don’t allow other medications, different from their Protocols. Especially drugs that require a prescription! HCQ & Ivermectin are prescription drugs.There are no government regulations against prescribing these medications.
Even if it were true that some people only seek care at the point when they are doing so bad that they require admission to a hospital, what about the people that do seek care when they have the sniffles, are their doctors prescribing any if these medications?
2scents -“There are no government regulations against prescribing these medications.”
We know that already. I discussed this previously.
You gotta read all the Posts before you Comment!“Even if it were true that some people only seek care at the point when they are doing so bad that they require admission to a hospital, what about the people that do seek care when they have the sniffles, are their doctors prescribing any if these medications?”
Some do & some don’t.
A lot of them don’t know how to treat Covid.
And there are the ones that are Too Scared to Deviate from the Government Protocols!Dear Health,
What would make us think that you are not getting kickbacks from these two drugs that you have been yapping about?
Dozens of drugs have been repurposed in the battle against covid. You and Didier Raoult are the only two epidemiologists in the world who claim that medications – can turn the tide against a pandemic. Whoops! Raoult is a microbiologist. That leaves just you. A little bit suspicious, if you ask me. If we join your crusade, will you share the wealth with us?
AAQ, 85% of what you write you don’t support with RELEVENT sources. The vast majority of what people write here on this topic has no resources. You have no problem with it besides for when someone writes against covid-19 shots.
There was a thread regarding the shots and I argued that mRNA and DNA goes back into the nucleus regardless of what the government and pharmaceutical companies claim to the contrary. I’ve quoted NUMEROUS RELEVENT sources, unlike the few and mostly irrelevant sources you quote that have mainly nothing to do with the topic at hand. It is time consuming to do that and I’m totally not interested in doing so, just as the majority of people writing here, including you.
1. Karl Popper’s philosophical line is totally not relevent to the topic of this thread which is whether the shots bring on covid-19 and whether the symptoms are more severe or not. Karl Popper is not a source for anything in any case, but certainly not relevent in this case.
2. I have read through the thread and could not find any reference to the Biotech CEO. I may have missed it but in any case, if you quoted a CEO to prove anything regarding the shots or covid, that proves nothing. CEO’s of pharmaceutical companies are not neutral scientific sources of info.
3. The Lancet article actually proves reinfections were rare in older residents and younger staff and significant boosting occured on reinfection. I’m not sure how it that is would prove anything in your attempts to make the shot a necessity, this article actually proves that the shot is not necessary. (Only in the UK can you find such honest medical reporting- as I said earlier, the coronavirus is not so politicized in the UK and therefore research and data is not hidden and suppressed like it is in the US).
4.If you consider Malone’s LinkedIn account a “source” then I have news for you; these kind of sources proves absolutely 0, neither regarding the topic of this thread not about Malone himself. Besides, the only reason you have a problem with Malone, who knows way, way more than you btw, is because he doesn’t toe the official line. Wikipedia lists most of his work and employment besides for where they scrubbed out his work as a inventor of the mRNA technology which was on his page prior to him speaking about the covid-19 shots.
5. I’m not going to go over the thread again, but I see no reference
anywhere to your source where the article “Lower Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Viral Shedding Following Coronavirus Disease 2019 ” . Searching online only brings up “Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Viral Shedding Following Coronavirus” . Where is that article from?6. Vaccination of healthcare worker in LA prove what exactly? I have not found this news article to be a source proving anything.
7. I don’t remember any reference in the thread regarding Paul C Adamson, 2021 . I’ll look over what you wrote later if I have the time and patience, but going through your “sources” until now, I highly doubt it will be proof of anything.
8. Scott Atlas is not a supporter of your official political covid-19 policies so if you used him as your “source” ( I don’t memorize what your write so I don’t remember you referencing him) then again for sure is something that doesn’t prove anything regarding the effectiveness of the covid-19 shots.
9. The Reimersma article actually talks about high virus spread on settings where there is high vaccine coverage. The article goes on to state that vaccinated individuals spread the virus as much as non-vaccinated individuals. It boggles my mind that you’d use this article that actually confirms high virus spread in vaccinated people, although it glosses over that FACT pretty quickly and goes on to talk about viral loads, but the fact is that here you have a prestigious medical report admitting that there’s high viral spread among vaccinated individuals and that they spread equally to non-vaccinated individuals and you use that to prove what exactly?! That you can use that article as a “source” and still claim that the vaccination is effective is hysterical!
10. I did not find the article of the last “source”. Where was it published? The closest article to your reference was published by the Public Health of Ontario which is a political establishment and simply writes that there are numerous studies but referes no particular study that actually proves the VE of the shots. The supposed real world data they reference to is sham- there’s also real world data showing the innefectiveness of the shot. What can be used as proof is real, peer reviewed studies which we don’t have of yet. But never fear, just trust big government; they never lie.
11. I am Chassidish so Rav Chaim’s psak regarding vaccines does not concern me at all, he is not my posek. Looking at what is going on in Israel, with it’s constant closing of the border and never fully reopening is actually proving that the shots are a dismal failure. In any case, I’m actually skeptical if Rav Chaim himself is really behind that psak knowing how many politically motivated individuals take advantage of their associations with Rav Chaim and claiming he says things which I’m not exactly sure he ever said.
No wonder you think you can smugly claim that anti-covid shot individuals do not write their sources when you are throwing around all sorts of “sources” that are totally not relevent, often proves the opposite what you are saying, or proves nothing at all. That is not how you bring sources, it’s simply irrelevant at best .
For all those who may be slightly interested.
Remdesiver is a new drug. Therefore, it had a big edge in being approved against covid. There is no risk of people who depend on the drug having to overpay for a medicine they need. Additionally, Remdesiver was the only drug to get real results out of it’s first large trial. Though after that it was more of a mixed bag. The FDA approval did not really amount to much more than another relatively safe option. Without the approval, Remdesiver would not have been available. To my limited knowledge, this is all due to complications of insurance in the health system. Both billing the patient’s insurance and what is allowed by the malpractice insurance on the caregiver’s end.
But in the end, there is still no magic bullets when it comes to viruses. Plenty of fluids, rest, and constant monitoring of symptoms, is what we have. Supportive care.
Health,
2scents -“There are no government regulations against prescribing these medications.”
“We know that already. I discussed this previously.”
– Correct, but you have not adequately addressed this.
Below was your response.
“The only thing that I can think of – is the hospital is afraid of the government.”
– You established the premise by stating that the government is interfering with how to treat Covid patients and not allowing doctors to practice as they see fit. But unable to connect the dots. Instead, you make an assumption about the hospital being afraid of the government, despite there not being any mandate against doctors or hospitals treating patients one way or another.
“Some do & some don’t.
A lot of them don’t know how to treat Covid.”– So it seems your implying that some medical providers suck, what does that have to do with the government?
I am just trying to understand the logic behind your arguments and the negative labeling of the government.
NoMesorah -“What would make us think that you are not getting kickbacks from these two drugs that you have been yapping about?”
LOL.
Now that you attacked me, I’m just curious how many SN’s do you have?!?
Why are you not satisfied with one?
Maybe you think you are Fooling the Posters here, but some of us can’t be Fooled!2scents -“I am just trying to understand the logic behind your arguments and the negative labeling of the government.”
Before you ask questions, you should read more.
They had an article on YWN that the Lubavich Doc from Monsey/KJ went to a Rx in Monsey to fill a Script that he wrote for HCQ and they refused to fill it.
The Guy behind the counter said that the NY government under orders from Cuomo – that you can’t fill scripts for Covid with HCQ.
So that’s Proof in NYS.It’s not a far jump to say – other DemonCrat States & our Federal government, Run by DemonCrats, do the Exact same thing!
From my previous post:
“But since the country isn’t, so I can only guess.
So why did these people take these hospitals to court?
Why doesn’t the hospital just give in?”Why don’t you answer these questions?
Maybe you can think of a better answer than I came up with?!?Health,
Because they believe the data isnt there at this point to support the usage of those drugs. Apparently these doctors are not in agreement with you.
Phil, a couple of clarification:
Linkedin is generally written by the person himself. Sometimes, people abandon the page and do not update it. Malone updated his page and lists lots of small jobs. It seems to be him and not another Bob as bios match. Why would he skip his best achievements, while looking for the new gig?
Linkedin also has reporting by people who worked with him. Wikipedia is a great source for general info, but not on controversial topics. It could have been written by you or me.Rav Chaim – there were multiple reports on YWN, including that Rav had a delegation of medics whom he was asking questions before announcing the psak. I am sure there are lots of people
here who are close enough to verify. Anyone? That you are chasidishe makes me feel better, as I was concerned how yeshivish/livish people come to such conclusion given the psak and sevorah. I am not familiar with chassidishe daas Toirah here – could you enlighten us please?2scents -“Health,
Because they believe the data isnt there at this point to support the usage of those drugs. Apparently these doctors are not in agreement with you.”That’s Exactly My Point!
If you’re Not too lazy, you’ll go to C19early.com, and you’ll See that Data.
The fact that they approved Remedsivir and Not HCQ & Ivermectin is More than Negligence, it’s Simply Corruption from the Genocidal Government!!!2scents -“Health,
Because they believe the data isnt there at this point to support the usage of those drugs. Apparently these doctors are not in agreement with you.”The YWN News just posted a case of a Child’s death from Long Covid.
Phil -“The Reimersma article actually talks about high virus spread on settings where there is high vaccine coverage. The article goes on to state that vaccinated individuals spread the virus as much as non-vaccinated individuals…”
This is a Major reason to Approve other therapies besides Vaccines, Monoclonals & Remedsivir!
Health,
“That’s Exactly My Point!
If you’re Not too lazy, you’ll go to C19early.com, and you’ll See that Data.
The fact that they approved Remedsivir and Not HCQ & Ivermectin is More than Negligence, it’s Simply Corruption from the Genocidal Government!!!”Understood that this is your point. However, why are you directing me to a website when almost all (if not all) medical institutions refuse to acknowledge the data posted on that site. I am still confused as to why you keep labeling the government when it is the doctors and hospitals that refuse to acknowledge the data as acceptable.
Remdesivir has been addressed just a couple of posts ago.
The treatments you are advocating for have been approved years ago for use and are part of the USP, any provider may prescribe it as they see fit, there is no need for any government agency to issue any approvals for those therapies.
2scents -“However, why are you directing me to a website when almost all (if not all) medical institutions refuse to acknowledge the data posted on that site.”
I don’t care if some people don’t acknowledge the Info.
You call them Medical Institutions.
Name them.
If anyone wants to say that the Studies posted there aren’t accurate – they can make/write a counter Study!
Stop with your Fluff!“I am still confused as to why you keep labeling the government when it is the doctors and hospitals that refuse to acknowledge the data as acceptable.”
Wrong! I already posted that NYS refused to allow HCQ to be prescribed for Covid.
There might be other States that do likewise.
I’m not going to investigate every State to answer your Lies!“there is no need for any government agency to issue any approvals for those therapies”
Yes, there is.
Because a lot of practitioners rely on the Recommendations from the Government.
And further more – they have recommendations how to deal with Covid19, but it doesn’t include things like HCQ & Ivermectin!Health,
“ I don’t care if some people don’t acknowledge the Info.
You call them Medical Institutions.
Name them.”
– It doesn’t matter if you care or not, but your not making sense when your accusing the government when the deciding medical bodies refuse to consider this data.Re naming institutions, the vast majority, nearly all of them. Any community or university hospital that comes to mimd or established medical association that you can think of.
The government is not the deciding factor here.
I’m sorry. drink acid and vinegar with a drop of yayen nesech wine. it should lessen the symptoms. and a famous doctor (to humble to name) says this concoction is most effective if you drink it holding your breath.
KIDDING!!! should’ve taken the vaccine!!!: 😛😊😊
2scents -“but your not making sense when your accusing the government when the deciding medical bodies refuse to consider this data. Etc.
The government is not the deciding factor here.”That’s your mistake – The government is the Deciding factor here.
It all started when Trump said to use HCQ.
That’s when Fauci and the Media & all Leftists jumped on the Scene.
All Fauci really said was prove it.
But when they did many Studies that proved effectiveness, No ever retracted their Statement.
I saw an article from NYU, from a guy named Caplan, but he was published in Medscape.
A lot of real docs put comments on his article that was against HCQ & Ivermectin.
Why in the world would Medscape publish this guy?
Simply because the Covid therapies are guided by the Genocidal Government!
That’s why a lot hospitals & others won’t give other therapies.
What I’m saying is Medicine has Become based on Politics, not on therapies from Medical Studies!Health,
“But when they did many Studies that proved effectiveness,”
– Actually no, even the FLCCC that is behind the Ivermectin push came out against HQC.
“I saw an article from NYU, from a guy named Caplan, but he was published in Medscape.
A lot of real docs put comments on his article that was against HCQ & Ivermectin.
Why in the world would Medscape publish this guy?
Simply because the Covid therapies are guided by the Genocidal Government!”– I am having a hard time following your train of thought. What does an article with comments have anything to do with the Government?
It seems that you have set your mind already, based on studies posted on the website you keep on mentioning. However, despite the data posted being acceptable to you, it is not to the people that call the shots.
I am not pro-government or siding with any political group, but I find it hard to follow your logic and blame the government for something that they don’t even involve themselves.2scents -“Actually no, even the FLCCC that is behind the Ivermectin push came out against HQC.”
Who cares?
Me and whoever put the C19early.com on the Web don’t care what the FLCCC says!
Why would you bring in FLCCC into this Conversation?“What does an article with comments have anything to do with the Government?”
It doesn’t. It was just a Rant.
“However, despite the data posted being acceptable to you, it is not to the people that call the shots.”
Now why is that?
I theorized that this is because of our government.
I already proved it in NYS that they refused to allow a Script for HCQ.
I asked this before – why did some hospitals fought against families that wanted Ivermectin – that it ended in a court case?!?
You can’t say it’s because of “Do No Harm”, because Ivermectin has been used for Umpteen years with no serious side effects.
So the only reason I can think of – is the Government is becoming more & more Fascist!
Shame on anyone who let this happen, especially the DemonCrats!Health,
“Who cares?
Me and whoever put the C19early.com on the Web don’t care what the FLCCC says!
Why would you bring in FLCCC into this Conversation?”
– First, they are the only group of providers that officially promote the usage of Ivermectin for Covid patients. Second, the C19 website actually refers to the FLCCC for official guidance. For the above two reasons, you should care, or expected to care.“It doesn’t. It was just a Rant.”
– Thanks for explaining.“Now why is that?
I theorized that this is because of our government.”
– You are free to voice your personal opinions, yet these groups are very clear as to why they refuse to accept the data, simply because the quality of the data is poor.“I asked this before – why did some hospitals fought against families that wanted Ivermectin – that it ended in a court case?!?”
– Because they demanded a treatment that the hospitalist didn’t approve, and the hospital didn’t believe would be of benefit to the patient. You can just read about some potential treatment on YWN and expect the hospital doctors to give it based on that article.“So the only reason I can think of – is the Government is becoming more & more Fascist!”
– Nah, for the above-mentioned reasons. But then again, you are entitled to your own theories, despite them being inexplicable and unsubstantiated.“I already proved it in NYS that they refused to allow a Script for HCQ.”
– What is your point, does this now prove that there is a broader federal mandate against Ivermectin or any other treatments?
Also, NYS’s mandate was for pharmacies to limit dispensing Hydroxychloroquine for Covid related illnesses, providers were never restricted and were able to prescribe what they felt was appropriate.2scents -“Also, NYS’s mandate was for pharmacies to limit dispensing Hydroxychloroquine for Covid related illnesses, providers were never restricted and were able to prescribe what they felt was appropriate”
That’s an outright Lie. You obviously didn’t read that article on YWN News.
The State Board of Pharmacy restricted HCQ for Covid!
Probably a lot pharmacies don’t even know it.
You’re the one with Agenda, pretending that the Government has nothing to do with the Treatment of this Pandemic!“Because they demanded a treatment that the hospitalist didn’t approve, and the hospital didn’t believe would be of benefit to the patient”
Stop Lying!
In one case against the Hospital, that the family requested Ivermectin, the patient died.
So what the Hospital did couldn’t be any Worse, by giving Ivermectin.
You’re just in a Dream World, like the Hospitals, you probably rely on your Money from the Genocidal Government.
That’s why you keep defending the Government.
Do you know that since the Pandemic started – there’s 1000 deaths per week?!?
So nothing has changed.
You can try to blame Non-vaxxers, but a human understands why they won’t Vaxx.
A Fascist Government says – My way or You DIE!Health,
“ That’s an outright Lie. You obviously didn’t read that article on YWN News.
The State Board of Pharmacy restricted HCQ for Covid!
Probably a lot pharmacies don’t even know it.
You’re the one with Agenda, pretending that the Government has nothing to do with the Treatment of this Pandemic!”
– Thats exactly what I wrote. The state (NY) limited pharmacies, providers in the state and elsewhere had no restrictions to practice and prescribe as they saw fit.“ Stop Lying!
In one case against the Hospital, that the family requested Ivermectin, the patient died.
So what the Hospital did couldn’t be any Worse, by giving Ivermectin.”
– Lying means saying something that is factually not true. All you have is an assumption based on a question that is easy to answer. Not the typical definition of a lie.“ A Fascist Government says – My way or You DIE!“
– Now be so kind and reveal to us where the government is actively interfering with treatments for covid. Ivermectin and hydroxy are listed in the USP, no further action required on their part. So now what?2scents -“The state (NY) limited pharmacies, providers in the state and elsewhere had no restrictions to practice and prescribe as they saw fit.”
Ok, I thought you were talking about pharmacies.
Now what can patients do with the script for HCQ – chew on the paper?!?“– Now be so kind and reveal to us where the government is actively interfering with treatments for covid. Ivermectin and hydroxy are listed in the USP, no further action required on their part. So now what?”
So when hospitals hear the recommendations from the government and it doesn’t include those drugs, they stay far away.
Do you know that there are groups that are pushing the State Board of Licensing to remove Practictioners’ license or take other action against those that prescribe HCQ or Ivermectin or other drugs for Covid 19?!?
This should be Unheard of in a Democratic Country!Health,
“Now what can patients do with the script for HCQ – chew on the paper?!?”
– a. They do not need to disclose to the pharmacy the condition for the script. b. Can go to a neighboring state.
However, you have not answered the question. What are you trying to prove with this limited executive order, which the NY governer has ordered at the time, with your overall accusing the government with interfering elsewhere?
(Personally, I agree that Governor Cuomo acted inappropriately, but that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand).“So when hospitals hear the recommendations from the government and it doesn’t include those drugs, they stay far away.”
– Are you able to substantiate this statement of yours?2scents -“They do not need to disclose to the pharmacy the condition for the script.”
What if they ask?
You should lie?“Can go to a neighboring state.”
This is violating people’s Rights. To travel very far.
And what about Elderly & Disabled people that can’t travel?!?“However, you have not answered the question. What are you trying to prove with this limited executive order, which the NY governer has ordered at the time, with your overall accusing the government with interfering elsewhere?”
Do you have any proof that the Board of Pharmacy rescinded their Order?
I’m not investigating every State to prove to you that DemonCrats Rule all over is violating people’s Rights!
“Are you able to substantiate this statement of yours?”
I’m not going to look at the Defense briefs submitted to those courts.
But I read on the News that they claim it’s Not part of their protocol.
You can investigate those cases further – I’m not.
So you can consider my Post as Opinion.
This is Not a Court of Law!Health,
“What if they ask?
You should lie?”
– Or simply refuse to disclose any of their personal health information.
Either way, the executive order has expired, and even if not, is not relevant to the overall discussion.“I’m not investigating every State to prove to you that DemonCrats Rule all over is violating people’s Rights!”
– But you still continue to make accusations against them. Without reason.“So you can consider my Post as Opinion.”
– Finally!2scents -“Or simply refuse to disclose any of their personal health information”
Older people when asked something from an Official don’t know how to assert their rights.
They will answer.“Either way, the executive order has expired, and even if not, is not relevant to the overall discussion.”
Are you sure you practice Medicine?
NYS Board of Pharmacy has it’s own authority.
Maybe it started with Cuomo, but it doesn’t mean it ended with him leaving Office.
So again – Do you have any proof that the Board of Pharmacy rescinded their Order?!?As Gemora says about whether to say brocha on water – “go and see”. I googled it and there are multiple sites that would seemingly ship HCQ to you. I did not verify whether the feds will stop the shipment.
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