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I read the Rambam says that during zman moshiach the false kohanim and leviem today will be separated and put in their proper tribe.
“He will purify the lineage of the Levites first, stating ‘He is a priest of defined lineage. He is a Levite of defined lineage.’ Those whose lineage he will not recognize will be israelites”
How will he know this though? Is this saying moshiach will be a full fledged navi?
With the advancement of DNA science, you may possibly be able to find that out now.
Tantali, it is openly stated in the Rambam that he will be. But the purification job will be done by Elliyahu ha’Navi.
*separate
The Quenn, the DNA can’t tell if a person’s greatgrandmother was a chalalah or a grushah who was married to a Cohen.
mdd, I heard that there is DNA testing to know if someone is ben achar ben from Aharon HaCohen. I wasn’t taking the mothers into consideration. You are right.
The Cohanim will be the ones with sacks of Silver Dollars hidden in the closet
Won’t the Avoda be performed by the b’chorim in the Third Beis HaMikdash?
You can’t tell from DNA testing if someone is ben achar ben from Aharon HaKohen. What they did was examine kohanim and found that a statistically significant percentage came from the same x chromosome line which went back to the days of Aharon HaKohen. People therefore assume that this means they are ben achar ben from Aharon. The only way this would make sense is if a genetic mutation literally happened right at Aharon’s or one of his children’s generation, because he was only a few generation from Yaakov Avinu- so that by general genetic principles his descendants would have the same Y chromosome as all of Yaakov’s descendants- and in between is Levi and his descendants, who do NOT share a Y chromosome in common. The odds of a significant mutation happening davka then and lasting for thousands of years are not impossible but quite small. It could be, though.
That said, DNA evidence isn’t admissible in halacha.
???? ??? ??? was supposed to do the Avoda initially. ??? ??? was taken “??? ?? ???? ??? ???”. But it says it will revert back to the b’chorim after Moshiach.
that’s what the or hachaim says, but it’s a big peleh why he says that and what his source is.
Joseph: The Bechorim only ever did Avodas Halevi’im. The Kehunah was always going to be separate. And even if it wasn’t, it will stay with the Bnei Aharon. Saying otherwise would violate numerous Pesukim (and possibly one of the Rambam’s Ikkarim).
Sam has a point
Anyway, I wanted to add that the Zohar says that Yimos moshiach korach will be the kohein gadol
What will the b’chorim do that they had previously lost?
In addition, one of the proofs brought to Techias HaMeisim in Maseches Sanhedrin hinges on the fact that Aharon will personally collect and eat Terumah in the future (something he never did in his lifetime). If the Kehunah will be given to the first born (which Aharon was not) then the Gemara’s proof falls apart.
The Wolf
What will the b’chorim do that they had previously lost?
Why do you think that they have to do anything?
The Wolf
Centrifuge.
Tzshteit azoi in der seforim hakedoshim.
Tzshteit azoi in der seforim hakedoshim.
Can you be more specific than that?
The Wolf
tantali- mareh makom please
Will the false Kohanim and Leviim be embarassed when Eliyahu HaNavi tells them they’re not Kohanim/Leviim? All their life they went to shul and got an aliya by Kohen and Levi, and they duchened every Yom Tov. And now along comes a malach and suddenly makes them ois Kohen and all their friends and neighbors see they can no longer do the kehuna.
why would anyone be embarrassed if they got their aliya according to accepted accepted halachic principles. Lo bashamayim hi.
thank you apy, that’s what i wanted to ask as well.
Not embarrassed that they got an aliya; the point of mentioning the aliyas was that everyone knows who represents themselves as a Kohen. The question is will they be embarrassed that they publicly represented themselves as a Kohen all their lives and now Eliyahu HaNavi exposed that they are not Kohanim.
right, and why is that something to be embarassed about? You did just what you were supposed to do and you should be proud. Will you be embarassed when mashiach comes that you live in NY? 🙂
tantali- can u provide a mareh mamom please
tantali: You misread the Maharsha. Unless you also think that he is saying that the Melachim won’t be from Beis Dovid.
No matter what word you use, exposed, revealed, publicized why should anyone be embarrassed for following the halacha?
apy: If you ate a shtick chazir that had a chazaka of being kosher meat, but it later turned out (after you digested the pork) that it was chazir, you followed halacha when you ate it as you had the right to do so based on its halachicly correct assumption of it being kosher meat. But would you feel bad ex post facto that you in fact ate chazir? Would you ask Hashem for mechila?
“I have already addressed that point as did Joseph.”
Correct, as did I. I still maintain that nobody needs to be embarrassed for following the accepted halacha. There is no reason to rehash the question in 10 different ways (not that you did).
“But would you feel bad ex post facto that you in fact ate chazir? Would you ask Hashem for mechila?”
I would feel bad, but not embarrassed. I’m not sure if there is a mechila to ask in this situation. If the klal did an aveira based on the psak of the sanhedrin what was proper procedure, who brought a chattas? What did everyone else do? If your hypothetical situation ever became a reality, I would ask my Rav what to do.
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