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August 25, 2016 2:17 am at 2:17 am #618225SparklyMember
i want to become more religious but its VERY HARD?
August 25, 2016 2:32 am at 2:32 am #1173977Mashiach AgentMembertake it one step at a time. take upon yourself one mitzva a week/day to become more serious in from now on forever. start with easier mitzvos that are not so hard to add to your life
be matzliach
August 25, 2016 2:36 am at 2:36 am #1173978absanParticipantwhat do you mean by becoming more religious? What exactly is on your mind?
August 25, 2016 2:46 am at 2:46 am #1173979Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantThe desire is the most important thing. It’s wonderful that you want to become more religious. But you must take some action so it doesn’t dissolve. Mashiach Agent is right about one step at a time, although one Mitzva a week/day sounds like it could be too much.
When you add on one thing even if it’s very small, it leads to more automatically. The best is to pick something that is not too hard as MA said but at the same time something that will inspire you. It should be something that will make you feel good about your connection to Hashem so that it will lead to more growth. Maybe try to have kavana for one particular phrase in davening that speaks to you. Or add a tefilla that you don’t already say.
It’s also a good idea to ask Hashem for help. I heard a beautiful story about that, but I’m too tired to post it now. I will try to do it tomorrow bli neder.
August 25, 2016 3:00 am at 3:00 am #1173980SparklyMemberabsan – like not talking to guys? not watching TV? not listening to not jewish music? not wearing shorter skirts?
August 25, 2016 3:47 am at 3:47 am #1173981dovrosenbaumParticipantTake on a full awareness/observance of kashrus. Only eat yoshon, cholov yisroel, pas yisroel, and only eat prechecked vegetables from Postiv/Kosher Gardens. Be careful only to use meat from a good, chasidishe shechita. By doing so, you’ll avoid timtum halev.
Take on kabbolos in tznius, assuming you’re a woman. Long, loose fitting clothing, keeping the collarbone covered fully, not wearing shoes that make noise, not talking in public, not drinking from a can or bottle in public, not wearing perfume, making yourself unnoticed, basically. By causing a man to become distracted by your presence is a major aveirah.
Shomer negiah, no guy friends, no watching tv, movies, or listening to secular music are all a given.
Learn lectures from manhigim such as R’ Wallerstein, R’ Avigdor Miller, R’ Yosef Mizrachi, and others.
August 25, 2016 3:52 am at 3:52 am #1173982LightbriteParticipantSparkly: Swap something that you don’t want to do now with something new and closer to want you want.
Like not watching tv, watch a video online. Torahcafe, Jewish.tv, even a shiur on YouTube.
As for something like not wearing shorter skirts, someone once gave me the most amazing advice. She said every time I go shopping, to try to buy one thing. If I buy one thing, then I should also feel good about it. Changing what you wear takes a long time. Your clothes are an expression of you.
Before even buying that one piece, try on longer skirts just to see yourself in them. Maybe a longer dress. Something that still feels like you and something that feels the opposite of you. You may surprise yourself in what looks good on you.
Not talking to guys is challenging. Maybe limit what you talk about with guys. Talk about school and classes, but if they seem to be talking about that stuff as a way to get you to hang out (which seems like almost always), then find a reason to say that you have to go. You don’t need to explain. Just bounce.
What’s wrong with Jewish music?
August 25, 2016 5:01 am at 5:01 am #1173985Avi KParticipantLearn “Messilat Yesharim”. First make sure that you keep the basic Halacha (zerizut and nekiut) then think about chumrot. Be especially careful about ben adam l’chavero and chillul Hashem (i.e. dealings with non-frum Jews, gentiles and the government). The fact that none of the above commenters has mentioned these matters is extremely disturbing.
August 25, 2016 10:34 am at 10:34 am #1173986ToiParticipantbuy a blacker hat. duh.
August 25, 2016 11:33 am at 11:33 am #1173987SparklyMemberToi – its for a girl not a guy.
August 25, 2016 11:37 am at 11:37 am #1173988Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantAvi K. – No one mentioned those things because those aren’t the issues she is struggling with.
August 25, 2016 11:45 am at 11:45 am #1173989Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantSparkly – I like lightbrite’s advice. I think you should listen to him/her.
Positive self-talk is also very important. Every time you accomplish even a small thing, tell yourself how wonderful you are. If you go a week without wearing a shorter skirt, for example, just keep telling yourself how incredible you are. It sounds funny, but I know from experience that it really works. No one can make you feel as good about yourself as you can.
You can also try a reward system. Tell yourself that every time you go a week without wearing a short skirt, you will buy yourself a new article of clothing/ jewelry.
Try to found ways that you can look great tzniusly. Spend a little more money to buy nicer clothes that are tznius.
Maybe you can find a friend whom you can work on this together with, so you can each encourage each other or reward each other.
Send a post to the CR every time you go a week without wearing a short skirt, so your fellow-posters can congratulate you.
In terms of tv, instead of stopping cold turkey, why don’t you look for Jewish videos that you can watch in addition? As you watch more and more Jewish things, you will automatically watch less and less not-Jewish stuff (since you can’t do two things at one time) or find other forms of recreation so that you will need it less.
August 25, 2016 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm #1173991SparklyMemberlilmod ulelamaid – the last time i wore a skirt above my knees was over a half year ago so im NOT struggling with tznius b’h the ONLY time i am not tznius is late at night when i walk around in short sleeves and theres guys at my house other then that no one even sees me and i walk out with totally tznius clothes and the guys dont even look when im wearing short sleeves so it doesnt even matter.
August 25, 2016 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm #1173992Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantUh, Sparkly, you mentioned above that short skirts is something you want to work on, so that is why lightbrite and I mentioned that as an example.
August 25, 2016 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm #1173993ExcellenceParticipantEasy. I’ll tell you how…
First… read the Artscroll book 5 Great Lives.
Then Sefer Chofetz Chaim. Either the Artscroll blue book or the recently Israel Book Shop one which is very good.
Then Orchos Tzaddikim to learn the good/bad side of 27 different emotions.
Then Derech Hashem from the Ramchal to understand the world.
Then Mesilas Yesharim by the Ramchal too.
Then beware, your yester hara within you will become stronger to compensate for your increased level. You are a capital asset of several decades investment. The goat face will not take losing you well. Further be advised, he gets vengeful if you make too much teshuva — any teshuva — and is known for striking at the people close to you out of spite.
At that point it is vital to read the book Remove Anger from Your Heart. That yellow book. Vital.
This is for a man.
For a lady… hmm, long skirt to the ground will cause the malachim to “smooth your path.” I would also recommend reading the short book Geder Olam (modesty in dressing, not mix dancing at weddings, married hair covered). The Feldheim edition is very good. Honesty, be sincere and speak nice never gossiping, and Heaven will help.
August 25, 2016 1:34 pm at 1:34 pm #1173994ExcellenceParticipantOh! Almost forgot… and become religious SLOWLY.
Slowwwwwly.
You change too fast, you will not recognise yourself. There will be an emptiness inside you. You will slip back. I have seen it before unfortunately. Kosher food, Shabbos, Yom Tov, modest dress — bit by bit so you will get accustomed.
August 25, 2016 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #1173995Avi KParticipantLilmod ulelamaid, how do you know? are you making an assumption based on your definition of “religious”? If so, that is very sad.
August 25, 2016 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #1173996MenoParticipantAvi K,
Read the thread. Sparkly mentioned specific things she is struggling with
August 25, 2016 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #1173997yichusdikParticipantSparkly, I’d suggest questioning whether applying more chumros makes you “more religious”. Perhaps davening with more Kavonoh makes you more religious. Perhaps giving more tzedokoh or doing more chesed makes you more religious. Perhaps exhibiting more ahavas chinom makes you more religious. Perhaps exhibiting greater kibud av vo’em makes you more religious, or more kovod zekeinim. Perhaps (if I recall you are an NCSY advisor) doing even more kiruv work makes you more religious. Perhaps saying more tehilim for cholim makes you more religious. Perhaps learning more Torah makes you more religious.
My point is, its not one dimensional. Its not necessarily about how you look, what you wear or what you listen to. Perhaps its more (or at least as much) about the Hashpo’oh you have on others than about the Hashpo’os on you.
August 25, 2016 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #1173998takahmamashParticipantFor a lady… hmm, long skirt to the ground will cause the malachim to “smooth your path.”
You are aware, I’m sure, that there are communities where women specifically do not wear skirts to the ground, because they attract attention.
Sparkly, treat all of what you read here with a grain of salt. Better to speak to a Rav or Rebbetzin who knows you and can guide you, rather than to take advice from anonymous internet denizens who may or may not know what they’re talking about.
August 25, 2016 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #1173999SparklyMemberExcellence – i already am religious thank G-d.
lilmod ulelamaid – im turning this thread into a general thread where when i do want to change i can have some tips but for right i think ill stay the way i am.
August 25, 2016 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #1174000absanParticipantSparkly. What turned you off so fast?
August 25, 2016 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #1174001Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantSparkly: 1. So read my post as general tips.
2. You’re welcome for the fact that I took the time to answer your question. Any time.
August 25, 2016 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1174002ToiParticipanti know. where’s the sense of humor this site used to have
buy a blacker shpitzel.
August 25, 2016 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #1174003MenoParticipantMods please change the title of the thread to:
“How to become more religious (in case I ever decide I want to)”
August 25, 2016 6:14 pm at 6:14 pm #1174004apushatayidParticipantI think the question should be, “how to increase observance” or how to “grow closer to hashem and do his will”. You are religious by the fact that you believe in hashem. For whatever reasons (they are private and I do not wish to know them) your connection to hashem is lacking, therefore fulfilling everything he wants is also lacking. This is not unique to you. It is something we all have to work on every day. For you it manifests in the things listed above, for other people it is other things.
August 25, 2016 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #1174005SparklyMemberabsan – i love being as religious as i am no more religious than this and no less religious than this. this is perfect.
August 25, 2016 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #1174006🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantif this is perfect…. then why did you open this thread 16 hours ago asking us how to become more religious?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
August 25, 2016 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #1174007absanParticipantoh your scared of o.c.d. I understand.
August 25, 2016 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm #1174008Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantAvi K: 1. she specifically said that those are the things that she wants to work on.
2. Yes, I do consider being tznius to be an essential part of being Frum as well as Bein adam l’chaveiro’s and making a Kiddush Hashem. Actually, I think that being tznius falls under both the category of bein adam l’chaveiro and making a Kiddush Hashem.
August 25, 2016 7:06 pm at 7:06 pm #1174009SparklyMemberabsan – ocd???
lilmod ulelamaid – kosher and shabbos are the most important for a jew. if a jew had to choose 2 mitzvos to keep it should be shabbos and kosher.
August 25, 2016 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1174010absanParticipantSparkly. scared you will do more then you need to . Or just doing things over and over never feel good enough. Rather stay the way you are.
August 25, 2016 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #1174011SparklyMemberabsan – i dont think thats the issue.
August 25, 2016 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #1174012Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantSparkly: “lilmod ulelamaid – kosher and shabbos are the most important for a jew. if a jew had to choose 2 mitzvos to keep it should be shabbos and kosher.”
Sparkly, that may or not be true, but it had nothing to do with anything I wrote. I was responding to Avi K’s post
August 25, 2016 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #1174013gofishMemberLol, Syag, I think it was inspired by a different thread that was started a few minutes before this one.
August 25, 2016 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #1174014Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantIt’s not about OCD – it’s because some of the responses made her uncomfortable, I think mine in particular. I apologize if my response made you uncomfortable, Sparkly. I’m not apologizing cuz I think I did something wrong since I had no way of knowing it would make you uncomfortable, but since it did make you uncomfortable, I apologize for that.
August 25, 2016 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #1174015absanParticipantl u.I have seen your post many times . I am impressed.
August 25, 2016 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #1174016apushatayidParticipant“kosher and shabbos are the most important for a jew.”
You keep saying this, on what do you base this statement? Why is taharas hamishpacha, hearing the shofar on Rosh Haashana or kibbud av or any other of the taryag mitzvos any less important?
August 25, 2016 9:05 pm at 9:05 pm #1174017Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantAbsan – thank you. it’s nice to get some validation, although I’m not sure what you’re referring to.
August 25, 2016 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1174018SparklyMemberlilmod ulelamaid – i either dont respond to insults or stuff that make me uncomfortable or say that it was uncomfortable or insulting.
apushatayid – i NEVER said it was less important even mo keep that stuff.
August 26, 2016 12:34 am at 12:34 am #1174019Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantSparkly: |apushatayid – i NEVER said it was less important even mo keep that stuff.”
Sparkly, Huh? You wrote above:
“kosher and shabbos are the most important for a jew. if a jew had to choose 2 mitzvos to keep it should be shabbos and kosher.”
So why are you now saying that you didn’t say that? It’s right here on this thread – according to you, Shabbos & Kashrus are the 2 most important Mitzvos. That means that other Mitzvos are less important (according to you).
August 26, 2016 12:51 am at 12:51 am #1174020absanParticipantL.u. cause you have your head on your shoulders . The right words the right time.
August 26, 2016 1:12 am at 1:12 am #1174021absanParticipantSparkly. Seems like you realy would want to do better. True it’s hard to stop doing things that give you pleasure especialy as you said you are depressed these pleasures might be an outlet for you like watching t.v. talking to guys etc. I think if you would find a frum counselor to listen and guide you might be very beneficial for you. You might be surprised what difference it can make. No you are not sick or crazy for doing that. I beleive it’s a mature decision for any one to do .
I also beleive you are far from looking forward to college next week and that can have a strong impact on you. Please don’t take anything personal,I might be wrong . Its just my assumption.
August 26, 2016 2:00 am at 2:00 am #1174022SparklyMemberlilmod ulelamaid – i meant that if you were to choose to keep tznius or shabbos you should choose shabbos.
August 26, 2016 2:02 am at 2:02 am #1174023SparklyMemberabsan – how can you tell that i want more vacation and dont want to start school yet next week? btw i dont have time for tv but i do talk to guys like how you said as an outlet.
August 26, 2016 2:13 am at 2:13 am #1174024absanParticipantSparkly Why don’t your read your posts.
August 26, 2016 2:36 am at 2:36 am #1174025HappygirlygirlMemberSparkly sometime the things that come out of your mouth make me think your a troll….you say random sentences as if they are actual facts.bring me some proof chabibi
August 26, 2016 2:51 am at 2:51 am #1174026absanParticipantSparkly don’t be upset cause look how famous Trump is !!!!!!!!
August 26, 2016 2:55 am at 2:55 am #1174027SparklyMemberHappygirlygirl – thats an insult. that wasnt meant to be random.
August 26, 2016 3:46 am at 3:46 am #1174028TRUEBTParticipantDear Sparkly,
First of all, let me tell you that it is really inspiring to hear of a fellow Jew who wants to become more religious. Yaisher Koach!
I completely understand what you are saying about Shabbos and Kashrus. When I was first becoming frum I was told the same thing in Ohr Sameach. There is no proof available. It’s assur to publish this type of psak Halacha because it can so easily be twisted or misunderstood.
As you can see, most people here in the CR do not know you and don’t understand your perspective. It can be very hard for an FFB to understand a BT and vice-versa. Please don’t be insulted by the misunderstandings.
I am going to guess that what you meant by “more religious” in your OP was something along the lines of “how do I develop a relationship with G-d?” If so, then I would say absan is correct, you need to try to find a teacher. It also helps to develop relationships with other people who want to become more religious. Even if you can’t do that right now, it is O.K. to just say “when I get the opportunity to grow, I will try”.
Good luck and remember there are a lot of people who are proud of you!
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