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שיבה is an acronym שתיקה יפה בשעת התפילה.
Why not try another shul?
Wow a discussion from 2012 that had no additions in 7 years gets bumped with a link to a 2018 thread and a suggestion to try another shul. Maybe someone should rethink about bumping dormant threads.
Silencing a loud schmoozer in shul in 2019 has changed substantially since 2012 where a poster noted that the preferred approach was for the gabbai rishon to get in the face of the offender and scream “sheigetz aross”.. Today, we use more subtle means of shaming the individual such as having the shalicach tzibur klop on the bimah and admonish the tzibur to daven more quietly since those sitting close by to Reb Shvuntz are having a hard time hearing him. If that doesn’t work, the following Shabbos he may find his shtender relocated to the small closet behind the varbeshe section where they keep the cleaning supplies. Other new high tech options include a Shabbos “taser for talkers” or including his photo in th0se annoying pop-up ads on “Stop the Talking in Shul”.
Word is getting around… I’ve noticed more shuls being quieter…
On a different note… interesting this topic just got bumped now… there was a Torah dedication last week. The donor was actually not a mispalel of that shul. He chanced by once and noticed there is absolutely NO TALKING there period. He was big onto the movement of not talking in shul. So he decided to donate a Sefer Torah to that shul.
Why does it say, stop the talking in shul, rather than stop talking in shul? Aren’t the gaboim responsible to stop the talking? You only make them angry if you tell them to stop talking. They know there are not suppose to talk and they still talk. If they talk they feel that they have a heter. The Rav should emphasize the importance of not talking.
After exhaustive research, I’ve confirmed the argument offered by some that it indeed is much quieter in reform shuls than orthodox shuls during the davening. I have a federal grant application pending for supplemental research to determine whether the former can be linked to the fact that the reform shuls generally don’t have enough attendees to constitute a minyan (even if you extend your “not one”, “not two” ) to the varbeshe section.
mallets work pretty well
There is a Smak who says to make a kal vechomer from the goyim who sit like a statue in church. Some excuse us that we feel comfortable as being at home in shul.
banjojob: A real mallet may be muktzah on shabbos whereas using a wood panel from a broken shtender or an empty bottle from the kiddush club doesn’t raise such concerns and is equally effective in getting the schmoozer’s attention.
go to the White House with signs and posters and try to impeach the gabbai
GH, A thing that is used for issur work can be used for its own benefit or place like a hammer to crack nuts. We can use the mallet for a heterdige melocha to stop people talking.
Rav Elizer: Very interesting psak….in whose name was it brought down that such tactics were used during the time of the achronim?
GH, I didn’t say it was used. I said it could be used because it is nor muktzah.
Best idea is simply to find another shul instead of working yourself up over something it’s very unlikely you can change.
Leave the shul & go find another one
How about impeach the talker
Maybe we should try to explain to him how he is hurting everyone. The Klei Yokor on admonishing each other in Parahas Kedoshim brings a mashel from the midrash where one is travelling on a ship and starts boring a hole under his seat. When the captain questiions him, he says, what do you care what I do under my seat? The Zohar Hakadash says in Parashas Terumah says that through his speech he creates a separation and drives Hashem out who only stays if there is unity.
At least for shachris, you also might try davening Vasikim, .I’m told that such minyanim are much quieter because the daveners are still half-asleep and are lucky to be able to respond with an Uuumeeein, much less engage in coherent conversation at 5 AM
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