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Once a great Rosh Yeshiva was sitting at a wedding with his wife (yes, with his wife). When dessert came, his eyes opened wide and he took a huge slice of cake, then another.
His wife said “You shouldn’t be having that.”
And he said “that’s it — separate seating at simchas”
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SJS, I’m glad you chose the appropriate category for this post — HUMOR & ENTERTAINMENT!
WONDERFUL!!!
I know its just a joke but I really don’t appreciate this type of humor that clearly is poking fun at Rosh Yeshivas and how they make decisions or make a psak, as well as making fun of the concept of separate seating which is no joke and is so necessary bizman hazeh lo alaynu what goes on out there.
I’m pretty sure there was an Al Cheit on Yom Kippur for this type of humor.
WIY, c’mon – it was funny, and it wasn’t aimed at anyone IRL.
As to what goes on “out there,” at simchas, I doubt much of anything is going on except for people being m’sameach with the baalei simcha.
I’m with WIY all the way on this one. Well said. It truly is sad when people feel the liberty to make light at Daas Torah.
that’s why its a joke, it would have never happened.
WIY: Well said. This joke was distasteful at best, laitzunos at worst.
oomis1105:
“WIY, c’mon – it was funny”
That may be true, but just because something is funny doesn’t mean it’s OK to say it.
“As to what goes on “out there,” at simchas, I doubt much of anything is going on except for people being m’sameach with the baalei simcha.”
Here we go again…
When there is mixed seating, people often look at people of the opposite gender in way that they shouldn’t. This is bad. Very bad.
Ben Torah: I wouldn’t go so far as to accuse this joke of “making of Daas Torah”(paraphrased). I think it was just done in bad taste.
oomis1105
Some topics should not be joked about even if there is humor to them and its technically funny. Whatever the joke is worth, we lose a lot more when we make jokes about certain topics, as it says, Leitzanus achas doche meah tochachos. Im not trying to nit pick, we just have to realize that if we make such jokes and find such jokes funny we automatically lose respect for whatever who whomever is the content of the joke. Think about it, really think about it, then tell me once you joke about something you can never have the same respect you had for the thing, true or not true?
SJSinNYC
The joke has a few things going on that make up the joke. Maybe the main part is husband and wife dynamics, but the way the message is conveyed knocks daas Torah so its not appropriate. I can be sure this joke wasn’t invented by someone who respects Rabbonim and Roshei Yeshivah.
Very funny, SJS!
Of course it was a joke. Oh and exactly what is the definition of leitzonis? Joking? There actually is an al cheit for that. Leitzonis is making a joke out of yidishe minhagim. And it’s quite unlikely that this actually happened since quite esteemed and respected Roshei Yeshiva did sit with their wives and families at one table.
Ok. We’ll modify the joke to pacify the complainers.
An askan witnessed the exchange between Rosh Yeshiva and Rebbetzin and quickly wrote up a letter that he had signed by everyone with the surname Shlita. From that day on, its been separate seating.
apushatayid
Shes a shogeg, but you are a mazid. You clearly have no respect for Daas Torah. What kind of example do you set for your kids if this is your attitude?
WIY. I refer you to a Kli Yakar in parshas Naso that explains the difference between a Nazir who becomes tamei and one who does not.
WIY. My respect for Daas Torah is directly proportional to the amount of Daas displayed and Torah acquired by any individual. Suffice to say I don’t have much respect for you.
WIY: I really don’t think apushatayid’s version was so disrespectful of Daas Torah… it was more making fun of askonim who twist the Rabbonim’s words.
apushatayid
“Suffice to say I don’t have much respect for you.”
Uncalled for.
I think its very funny.
FYI, there was a well known Posek Hador who attended his grandson’s wedding where there WAS separate seating but NO mechitzah,
Blaming “askanim” as an underhanded attack upon Daas Torah, even in generic form, is no less ignoble.
Broker – and how exactly was the women’s dancing made non-viewable to the men?
apushatayid
“Suffice to say I don’t have much respect for you.”
I dont need your respect, but someone who doesnt respect Daas Torah will certainly not anonymous respect others on a forum.
WIY. If you believe I am making fun of daas torah and have no respect for it, that’s your perogative. You are entitled to your belief, as wrong and as misguided as it might be.
“Myfriend”. Perhaps it is your problem with daas torah that leads you to interpret the way you do, and then assume its what I mean.
Very funny! I bet this Rosh Yeshiva is a great teacher. Humor goes along way in teaching and learning…………
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