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RE -“Health, the committee is more intersted to find the truth than you are.”
The DemonCrats Don’t know what Truth is – even if hit them in their Face!
“Jackk is not a liar”
Not just him, but you are also One!
YD -“She was a misguided criminal and I blame the man who called her to DC and ordered the march to the Capital.”
So it was justified in your opinion.
So tell that to all DemonCrats that the killing of G. Floyd was definitely Justified!
That was the mistake in Minneapolis – if the cop would have Shot him – he’d be a Free man.
After all he wasn’t trying to kill Floyd, just to detain him.
So I agree with you – when a Perp like Floyd tries to swindle a store and then he tries to drive away and he gets arrested – then he fights with the Cops – they should just Shoot him!Health, again the same thing one faults another with his own faults.
Reb eliezer,
So whatever you’ve said about trump applied to you too?
I’m confused, does במומו פוסל only apply to republicans when it’s against democrats, I don’t remember seeing that בפירוש in the Gemara
What I heard recently is במומו פוסל that a person that’s a גנב (or any other מום) can easily spot other people like himself
Now that would mean health is a liar but the ones he called liars are also liars too
coffee addict, according to you I could never point out if someone is faulting me without faulting him, so it applies to the one who does the first faulting.
Should be above, without faulting myself as I am faulting him which is ridiculous
The “commission” are a bunch of political hacks with an outcome predictable before it even started. It’ll be meaningless.
Biden is senile.
They call their partisan hackery as proof.
Biden wasn’t cured from his loss of mental faculties over the last two years
When Meadows will be held for contempt will see who are the political hacks. Trump needed the National Guards to protect the inciters not the legislators or the VP.
Oh Jackk, -“It is clear that Trump attempted a coup that failed. That is his legacy”
Wrong!
His legacy is letting the DemonCrats Steal an election and he didn’t stop their Insurrection!
He was Too Weak.
The US needs a Guy like Putin to be in Charge!>>>A lot of news recently from the commission about texts being sent to the former WH COS from fox news hosts and Jr, and also a PowerPoint on how to commit a Coup.
If after going through over 6,600 PAGES of Meadow’s documents the worst the January 6th commission can come up with is a bunch of texts from Republicans trying to get Trump to stop the rioters, then the committee has nothing on the Republicans.
For those with TDS even had Trump gone in person to stop the riot he would be 100% guilty anyway. I don’t consider him 100% innocent but in fairness to Trump the mob breached the building itself at 2:12 PM. At 2:38 p.m. he tweeted, “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!” A short time later, at 3:13 p.m., Trump added a note, “I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!” At 4:17 he posted a video on Twitter telling the rioters to stop. He did not wait until it was over to protest like I sometimes see him being accused of.
I’m no Trump supporter but I oppose government commissions consisting of long term very biased enemies with unrestrained subpoena power and no transparency even more. Which is exactly what the January 6th commission is
Health, you are against democracy. Maybe you should go Russia which you will like better than the US. Go to the real thing rather than like Putin.
RebE > Maybe you should go Russia which you will like better than the US.
Just ask those who know. There is a new report that Trump increased vote among Hispanics in US in 2020 primarily to their fear of socialism. I knew about Cubans and Venezuelans in FL, but it is all across the board and states. They are afraid of government control, decrease in personal responsibility, etc.
Putin seem also to prefer D-s (even as he works to weaken them of course) – his recent acquisitions in Ukraine were under Obama and now he is up again. Yes, there was Georgia under Bush.I would also say than Jan 6th commission reminds of government-appointed trials but you probably will say “revolution justifies that” 🙂
RE -“Health, you are against democracy”
LOL.
You Left Liberals are the Real Commies nowadays!
Do you actually think that people who started this country thought that in 2021 that this Country would look the way it is Now?!?
Abortion, So-called Gay Rights, Bail Reform, Rampant Crime, etc.
You don’t what Democracy is, even if it hit you in your Face!@Health Yeah, George Washington is probably rolling in his grave at the total lack of slaves and the fact that Jews can be part of the government.
Yesr -“George Washington is probably rolling in his grave at the total lack of slaves and the fact that Jews can be part of the government”
I’m not against Slavery.
The Torah is for it.
Do you believe in the Torah?
And your post that GW was against Jews – I don’t believe!
Prove it.> the fact that Jews can be part of the government.
what is the history here – were Jews limited in running for federal or state government in US? for towns before US was formed?
I know I’m very late but…
Gadolahhador- “watch the video”
Correct me if I’m mistaken but wasn’t it your side that refuses to hear the other side when a police shooting occurs?! Not only was the cop who killed Ashli Babbit kept on the force but his name was not leaked to the media and he got an interview on national television to tell his side. Find me another time where a cop get to explain his reasoning for shooting. (I’m not arguing that Ashli Babbit shouldn’t have been shot nor am I saying that the Capitol Riot was ok, it absolutely wasn’t)@Health Do you think that the concept of slavery as it existed in the US 200 years ago resembles our concept of Eved C’na’ani?
And I would be absolutely shocked if the Founding Fathers weren’t all anti-Semites as most goyim of their time were.
My point is, can we stop treating the image of the USA as the Founding Fathers envisioned it as some sort of gospel that can be no wrong? Especially since they explicitly added in provisions to drastically change things if need be.
“Do you think that the concept of slavery as it existed in the US 200 years ago resembles our concept of Eved C’na’ani?”
If it wasn’t then it should have been modified and corrected to bring it to the proper standards required by the principles of Eved C’na’ani.
“George Washington is probably rolling in his grave at the total lack of slaves and the fact that Jews can be part of the government.”
George Washington was an Oheiv Yisroel.
>>>And I would be absolutely shocked if the Founding Fathers weren’t all anti-Semites as most goyim of their time were.
It’s safe to say they were a lot less anti-Semitic than the typical progressive Democrat is today.
>>>>My point is, can we stop treating the image of the USA as the Founding Fathers envisioned it as some sort of gospel that can be no wrong?
It’s no gospel nothing but Founding Fathers of the USA did make a country that was a haven for Jews like no other known country has ever done. Those who are looking to drastically change it are also looking to undermine the principles of WHY it has been such a haven
GW: May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants—while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.
Adams: I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations. “I believe [that]… once restored to an independent government & no longer persecuted [the Jews] would soon wear away some of the asperities and peculiarities of their character & possibly in time become liberal Unitarian[s]
Jefferson: a nasty sect, which had presented for the object of their worship a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust….Moses had bound the Jews to many idle ceremonies, mummeries and observances, of no effect towards producing the social utilities which constitute the essence of virtue…[Letter:] He is happy in the restoration of the Jews, particularly, to their social rights, and hopes they will be seen taking their seats on the benches of science as preparatory to their doing the same at the board of government. …The prejudice still scowling on your section of our religion altho’ the elder one, cannot be unfelt by ourselves. ..
Madison: The history of the Jews must for ever be interesting. The modern part of it is at the same time so little generally known..Among the features peculiar to the political system of the United States is the perfect equality of rights which it secures to every religious sect.And it is particularly pleasing to observe in the good citizenship of such as have been most distrusted and oppressed elsewhere, a happy illustration of the safety and success of this experiment of a just and benignant policy.
@smerel @Always_Ask_Questions Nu nu, so some of the Founding Father’s were ohavei Yisroel. Doesn’t change the fact that their vision of what the USA should be was that there should not be a single unchanging vision. So what they would or would not think of the US today is irrelevant. @ujm seems even more detached from reality than usual.
Yesr -“And I would be absolutely shocked if the Founding Fathers weren’t all anti-Semites as most goyim of their time were.”
Your problem is you Learned history from the Left Libs.
Now go learn the Real American history, but Stop Spouting Lies!@Health Your Liberal agenda is leaking. It’s the Liberals, like yourself, who want us to all believe that anti-Semitism isn’t a thing and never existed. That anyone who ever hated Jews was just “anti-Zionist” or some sort of mishegas. Go read some real history, and by that I mean the thing you Libs all hate, the Torah. That Eisav Soneh Yaakov!
> Now go learn the Real American history, but Stop Spouting Lies!
Where would he learn it? Is and how is American history taught in our schools? Maybe we don’t need to teach that directly. As R Twersky says – learn physiology to appreciate beauty of creation. don’t have to do it in yeshiva time, can do it at home after hours. Same with history. Maybe girls should be learning history and then they can direct kids to appropriate books.
YS > Nu nu, so some of the Founding Father’s were ohavei Yisroel. Doesn’t change the fact that their vision of what the USA should be was that there should not be a single unchanging vision.
I don’t think this is that simple. They (most of them?) were all extreme rationalists and you can see Jefferson’s disdain for “traditional” Judaism. You see that they welcome Jews as long as they keep their “religion” but keep the same values as others. Very similar to German/Reform situation, I think – and half of the Jews then were of that type (the other half – sephardim).
There is also an interesting story of Sephardi Mordechai Noah who was appointed as an ambassador to Tunis and then recalled by Sec of State Monroe “because it was discovered that he was Jewish” and somehow this was not appropriate. Noah protested, saying, among other things, that he was never hiding that he was Jewish, and he got some sort of apology/acknowledgement from Pres Madison. I did not dig further into details.
Yseribus, why are you opposed to the Torah and the Torah’s authorization of having Eved C’na’ani?
Yesr -“Your Liberal agenda is leaking. It’s the Liberals, like yourself, who want us to all believe that anti-Semitism isn’t a thing and never existed.”
Typical Lying Liberal!
I never wrote or thought that.
You libs always resort to lying, when you don’t have a Logical response!“That anyone who ever hated Jews was just “anti-Zionist” or some sort of mishegas”
Again -” I never wrote or thought that”.
You wrote -“That Eisav Soneh Yaakov”!
But you didn’t write the Solution of the Torah.
The solution is keeping the Torah.
Do you actually think that the Zionists keep the Torah?!?“I’m not against Slavery.
The Torah is for it.”Rabbis Bernard Illowy, at Baltimore Hebrew Congregation, and Rabbi Morris Raphall, and B’nai Jeshurun in New York, were probably the two leading orthodox rabbis in the US as of 1861. They both made sermons early that year that enthusiastically supported slavery and the Southern Cause. To this day they remain an embarrassment to all Jews.
Both those two congregations would cease to be orthodox within 20 years. And if those two rabbis had accurately reflected the Torah perspective, I wouldn’t be either.
And similarly the commenters here who continue to express support for the attempted coup that would have ended democracy in the US.
>>>And similarly the commenters here who continue to express support for the attempted coup that would have ended democracy in the US
Curious to know:
Does anyone here truly believe that the January 6th riot was an attempted coup that would have ended democracy in the US?
If you do believe that can you elaborate on your beliefs?
Bonus question: Do you also believe that the Democratic congressmen who refused to certify in Trump in 2016 were looking to end Democracy in the US? Do you also believe that the Democrats who tried to get Trump impeached on the basis of lies (Russian interference in the 2016 elections)and falsified documents (The Steele Dossier) were trying to end democracy and are at least as guilty as those who didn’t want to certify Biden?
If not why not?
“And if those two rabbis had accurately reflected the Torah perspective, I wouldn’t be either.”
Charlie: Just to reiterate, if the Torah supports slavery, then you don’t support the Torah.
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Oh Charlie -“Rabbis Bernard Illowy, at Baltimore Hebrew Congregation, and Rabbi Morris Raphall, and B’nai Jeshurun in New York, were probably the two leading orthodox rabbis in the US as of 1861. They both made sermons early that year that enthusiastically supported slavery and the Southern Cause.”
Thank you for telling e/o.
I didn’t know that there were Frum Rabbis at that time that Stood up for the Torah!
Could you post the Excerpts?“Both those two congregations would cease to be orthodox within 20 years.”
That’s irrelevant!
Most congregations in the US became more & more lenient.
That was the result from the Reformers.
From first Orthodox > Conservative > Reform.
Now we have other things, Reconstructive, etc.
I don’t understand why they use the Name “Jew”.
Even Reform Cong. are Mostly Non-Jews!> From first Orthodox > Conservative > Reform
It actually went from O to R, then back to C.
R in 1860s were Jews. Those who did not want to be Jews, tried to go somewhere, not other way around.AAQ -“It actually went from O to R, then back to C.
R in 1860s were Jews. Those who did not want to be Jews, tried to go somewhere, not other way around.”You might be technically correct, but I was talking about Nowadays.
First people were Orthodox , then Conservative, then Reform.
The Reform does have a small amount of Jews, mixed in with the Non-Jews.@ujm It’s a simple fact. If you support slavery as it was (and still is) practiced in almost every culture except Yiddishkeit, you are against the Torah.
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