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I am out of town and will be attending shul on shabbos by myself at a shul where i dont know anyone i dont want to take anyones makom should i
A) come early and just take a seat and hope for the best)
B) come late and see what seats are empty
c) ask the gabbai
i went to this shul one shabbos about a yeaer ago and its usually pretty packed.
if theres someone to ask i ask
otherwise i stand until things have been going for a while then i find a seat
Or do what I do when I go to shul on Friday nights*… just don’t sit.
The Wolf
* I’m not a member of the shul I daven in on Friday nights. However, I have found a spot that is not a seat where I can usually stand in peace and daven.
The Wolf
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If “out of town” means BP, and you happen to land in our shul, you won’t have a problem. We make it our business to seat all newcomers (and we have the space to accomodate, so it not at someone else’s expense or inconvenience)
it’s nice that you are so thoughtful about this. Don’t come LATE to shul, but if you get there early enough, just ask someone.
I believe in the 15 minute rule. After 15 minutes you lose all “rights” to “your” seat.
optiom c doesnt hurt
BP Totty,
If “out of town” means BP
This is is the first time I’ve ever seen someone refer to Boro Park as “out of town” (even as a hava amina)! 🙂
Wolf,
I hope you don’t mind, I’ve been borrowing your style of italicizing other posters’ quotes.
BTW, you method of dealing with The Goq’s issue only works for someone who can stand for an entire davening.
I once spent a Shabat in an out of town community that had seen better days. In a beautiful 700 seat beit knesset, there were about 30 people attending a Shabat morning service.
And someone comes up to me and tells me that I am sitting in his seat.
I believe in the “guest does whatever he wants” rule.
When I go to a shul which I don’t usually daven in, I just sit down wherever I like and it is too bad on whoever usually sits there.
popa_bar_abba
“I believe in the “guest does whatever he wants” rule.
When I go to a shul which I don’t usually daven in, I just sit down wherever I like and it is too bad on whoever usually sits there”
does that include the Rav’s seat? What about if there a clearly marked seats or tables where a regular’s Talis bag is?
Bowwow:
I have never sat in the Rav’s seat, but to be fair, I never wanted to. So I don’t know what I would do if I wanted to.
If there is a talis bag on the seat, I would not move it and sit down.
If there are name plates on the seat, I would sit there anyway.
I think I am acting fine and normally. I think I am permitted to sit down even though I am a guest, and every seat is as likely to be someone’s seat as the next.
If you don’t like it, daven at home.
This is always my dilema!
That is why I sort of have a phobia about davening in a new shul..
I am always scared I am going to sit in thh Rebbetzis seat!!
Happened once, came to a tisch and took the front row seat!! Not really sure what I was thinking!! Just a little embarrasing!
Charliehall, were you in a Yekke shul?
I was in my grandparents shul. There were maybe 5 women in the women’s section and there were room for 75 or so. A woman comes in and told me I was in her seat. Of course I moved, but I just chalked it up to a German thing.
I’ve never had an issue… people usually don’t have the chutzpa to say anything anyways. I’ve asked a couple times when I saw people come in if I was in their spot, and even then, when it seemed pretty clear that I was, they told me it was ok.
Wolf,
I hope you don’t mind, I’ve been borrowing your style of italicizing other posters’ quotes.
Why would I mind? I didn’t invent it. 🙂
BTW, you method of dealing with The Goq’s issue only works for someone who can stand for an entire davening.
Granted.
The Wolf
Bowwow:
Usually, nobody offers to direct me to a seat.
Also, often the seats that are available have name plates and the seats that are not don’t have name plates.
Also, if I come late, there is more of a reason why I can sit anywhere and assume the guy is not coming.
Also, are you indignant because there is an inyan of “makom kavua” or because it is “your seat”?
Also, I am not brash at all. You don’t own the seat. And if in your shul the people consider it that they do own the seat, you should have a sign on the door that says “KHAL ANSHEI S’DOM” so I’ll know not to come.
Bowwow. If the owner of the seat came on time, nobody would be sitting in their seat either 🙂
I use the 15 minute rule as stated above. All rights to a seat are forfeited once you are 15 minutes late to shul.
“first time I’ve ever seen someone refer to Boro Park as “out of town”
I’m thinking global. Besides, Goq could be from LA or Lakewood (or even Flatbush), and that would make BP a foreign country.
And not to worry, Goq. My table is THE place to be at a kiddush. If you’re not there for davening, you’re bound to gravitate towards it once the party starts.
or maybe u just shouldnt go to shul. EVer think of that??
in the shul where i daven i have my own makom kavua and everybody in the shul knows it but if someone were to come and sit there i would probably move to a different seat
chayav how cud you say something so tumadik on such a kadoshdikka website?? im surprised at u
People, what’s with the “goyish” names? Stam a goy?, And yesterday’s Shaigetz? Its your choice, but realy… is that how you see yourself?
Why would I mind? I didn’t invent it. 🙂
Than I guess you’re not Al Gore IRL. 🙂
Have a good Shabbos (If you’re seeing this after Shabbos, than I hope you had a good Shabbos).
TheGoq,
Thanks for the update.
If he’s late, he lost the seat.
yw ty for the input
they said im welcome
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