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October 30, 2014 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #614100AZOI.ISParticipant
Hikind says Caller’s plan to build apartments wont happen. He says its a dream and a false promise. He doesnt say why it cant happen! Whats the secret, tell the populace why it wont happen!
October 30, 2014 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1039034The little I knowParticipantAZOI.IS
1. Dov has listened to this issue before, and Caller was not bringing up something unheard of. He had investigated the matter several times, and found many reasons why it would not work.
2. There is a separate question here. Should there be more housing in Boro Park? There is a strong argument that there should not be. The neighborhood is hopelessly overcrowded. Every existing home is full of occupants, and many have additional residents (let’s ignore whether these basement apartments are even legal). Parking a car near a store or even near a home is a nightmare. Bus stops are a half block each, and there are double the number of fire hydrants needed (unless you’re a canine). There is a mentality common to BP that one’s married children must live near them. I have married children living in proximity, and their frequent visits, especially when the grandchildren come, are nice and enjoyable. But this is NOT a necessity. Children should be encouraged to live wherever they will be comfortable. Sentencing them to live in cramped apartments, many of which were built in the 1800’s is abusive and cruel. If we became more willing to let go of our children at marriage, and let them live in other locations, we will accomplish much for them, for ourselves, for the neighborhood, and for the other communities where they will live and bring Yiddishkeit. I am openly encouraging my married kids to live elsewhere and to visit.
October 30, 2014 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1039036ivoryParticipantI let my kids go wherever they want and they all stay in bp
October 31, 2014 12:02 am at 12:02 am #1039037AZOI.ISParticipant“Children should be encouraged to live wherever they will be comfortable”
Please offer locations less than an hours drive from Boro Park, that are safe neighborhoods, where rents are affordable, that religious newlywed couples can move to.
Kensington is getting crowded too. Lakewood is much too far, it takes 1 1/2 hours each way, with the slightest bit of traffic, and is an expensive commute, with less jobs nearby, and is getting crowded too.
Theres also another issue for Chassidim who want to daven with their Rebbe and want to send their kids to the schools of their Chassidus.
October 31, 2014 12:09 am at 12:09 am #1039038👑RebYidd23ParticipantThe world is a big place.
October 31, 2014 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1039039HaLeiViParticipantI don’t get the point of voting for someone because he has a particular idea.
October 31, 2014 12:58 am at 12:58 am #1039040JosephParticipant1. Who is going to build now that didn’t build until now?
2. An Assemblyman has no power to change the zoning. It is the purview of the City Council not the State legislature. So regardless whether Hikind or Caller is Assemblyman, he won’t have the ability to change zoning.
3. The current residents of the neighborhood will oppose a zoning change allowing greater density housing. It’s crowded enough as is and neighbors won’t stand for more crowding and more traffic. And they will oppose any efforts at zoning changes.
And that’s why it never happened until now. And won’t in the future.
October 31, 2014 1:12 am at 1:12 am #1039041🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantPlease offer locations less than an hours drive from Boro Park, that are safe neighborhoods, where rents are affordable, that religious newlywed couples can move to.
I’m not sure if I should laugh or cry.
Maybe they can hop on a camel and put their stuff on a wagon and trek over to a different city that isn’t 2 hours away. I’m sure between skype, whatsapp, instagram, texting, group chats and facebook they will not even realize they are “out of town”.
I don’t mean that kids shouldn’t live near their parents, but if the living conditions are so bad that it is between a cramped, decrepit apartment they can’t afford or another city, it shouldn’t be as if there isn’t a choice.
October 31, 2014 1:21 am at 1:21 am #1039042popa_bar_abbaParticipantDidn’t Caller used to be a big real estate lawyer? I assume he knows what he’s doing.
Is Hikind running against him? Why is he involved?
October 31, 2014 2:09 am at 2:09 am #1039043JosephParticipantHe is a real estate lawyer. And he knows what he’s doing. Which is why he hasn’t built anything until now. And he knows the State Assembly doesn’t set zoning laws.
He is running against Hikind. And came up with implausible cocamanie plan to get votes.
October 31, 2014 2:13 am at 2:13 am #1039044AZOI.ISParticipantIm neutral on this election at this point, but Im puzzled.
Why is Hikind so hesitant to be clear on even ONE reason that this project cant and wont happen? Whats the secret?
It would be in Hikind’s interest, and hed be more credible, if when he makes a statement to the public, hed back it up with facts.
October 31, 2014 2:17 am at 2:17 am #1039045JosephParticipantWho said he hasn’t explained why it is implausible? Your not hearing it doesn’t indicate he didn’t explain. Read my explanation above.
October 31, 2014 2:47 am at 2:47 am #1039046AZOI.ISParticipant“Who said he hasn’t explained why it is implausible? Your not hearing it doesn’t indicate he didn’t explain. Read my explanation above.”
Why dont you spoon feed me, Lior? Overcrowdedness and the fact that the Assembly doesnt control zoning, doesnt prove it cant happen. Difficult maybe, but not impossible.
Difficult and improbable tasks are accomplished by capable people every day!
October 31, 2014 3:00 am at 3:00 am #1039047ari-freeParticipantI’m surprised he can only find one issue to run against Hikind after his many years of public service. What else does he stand for? Surely he doesn’t agree with him on everything else.
Somehow, I think there’s some inside thing (to get ‘their’ guy in) that is the real reason for his support and this housing issue is just to have something to say to the public.
October 31, 2014 3:34 am at 3:34 am #1039048👑RebYidd23ParticipantMaybe it can happen. But it shouldn’t.
October 31, 2014 4:07 am at 4:07 am #1039049fiddleMemberHeard this one from someone. Why do you have to build something that it will take a while. Build on New Utrecht Ave, where there is lots of empty apartments, to make family housing. MORE REALISTIC!!!!!……
October 31, 2014 4:11 am at 4:11 am #1039050viyoel moisheMemberRebyidd23 kol hakuved
October 31, 2014 5:50 am at 5:50 am #1039051HaLeiViParticipantFiddle, people don’t like living under the tracks. It is noisy and your windows, high above the ground, get peered into.
Ari, the reason someone runs for office is to get there. It doesn’t have to be based on secret disdain. He wants to become a politician. That’s all.
October 31, 2014 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #1039052yehudayonaParticipantWhy would anyone want to live in BP?
October 31, 2014 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #1039054viyoel moisheMemberBecause it’s one of the 5 places a chassidish person can live currently
October 31, 2014 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1039055👑RebYidd23ParticipantThere are enough chassidish people that if just a small fraction of them would agree to move to any other place, that place would become a chassidish place.
October 31, 2014 6:14 pm at 6:14 pm #1039056viyoel moisheMemberTell that to the admorim
October 31, 2014 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #1039057bk613ParticipantAZOI.IS,
“Im neutral on this election at this point”
Do you expect anyone to believe that. And even if the new houses was a good idea do have any idea how long it will take for the city to get the space from the MTA,find a union contractor, and change all the necessary zoning laws. We wont be seeing a new houses for 10 years. Whats caller’s response to that???
October 31, 2014 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #1039058oyyoyyoyParticipantBUT THE PARKING THOUGH!!!
October 31, 2014 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #1039059AZOI.ISParticipantParking?
According to the plan which Greenfield explained beautifully on his radio show, roughly 2000 units would be built on s e v e n blocks, with seven blocks worth of parking!!!!!!! No houses will be built in the gutter, where parking spots go, guaranteed.
October 31, 2014 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #1039060viyoel moisheMemberLet’s say there 40 spaces on a block there would be 120 apartments lets say 90 cars on a 40 space block meaning 50 cars are left without parking so how do people park now you ask? They park up to 5 blocks away because the block where there car is parked contains more spaces
October 31, 2014 9:08 pm at 9:08 pm #1039061JosephParticipantExpand Boro Park into Sunset Park and Bensonhurst.
November 2, 2014 4:57 am at 4:57 am #1039062AZOI.ISParticipantThose whose children choose to live outside of Boro Park (Litvish) when they get married.
Sorry, Mr Hikind and Mr Felder!
November 2, 2014 6:35 am at 6:35 am #1039063yehudayonaParticipantI don’t want BP to have additional housing because I sometimes have to park there. How many illegal driveways are included in Caller’s plan?
November 2, 2014 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm #1039064AZOI.ISParticipant“I don’t want BP to have additional housing because I sometimes have to park there”
Parking?
Whats more important Shalom Bayis or Parking?
Hikind’s kids and Felder’s kids and their buddies who they socialize with, arent interested in living in Boro Park EVER!
It would be their nightmare and curse to live in Boro Park!
But, for many young people, its their dream to live in Boro Park!
Sorry, Mr Hikind and Mr Felder! MOVE OUT OF OFFICE like you recommended those who want to elect Caller move out of the area! What jokesters!
November 2, 2014 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm #1039065writersoulParticipantAs a born-and-bred Monseyite, I don’t even pretend to understand this.
How do people even breathe in Boro Park?
November 2, 2014 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm #1039066JosephParticipantMoney is pretty saturated, itself.
November 2, 2014 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm #1039068writersoulParticipantLior: It’s really not- depends on your neighborhood, I guess. (If all you know of Monsey is 306/59, then yeah. But even the big chassidish neighborhoods are nowhere near BP levels of congestion, and most other neighborhoods cannot even be compared.
November 2, 2014 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #1039069Little FroggieParticipant“How do people even breathe in Boro Park?”
quoting my Rebbe Zt”l – “we take turns”
(my rebbe – Rav Shmuel)
(Kunda, that is)
November 2, 2014 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #1039070AZOI.ISParticipant“How do people even breathe in Boro Park?”
As opposed to breathing car fumes, I guess?
I had BP friends who tried living in Monsey for a year. They came running back to BP. They said they had a beautiful home but spent most of their waking hours in their car, the husband commuting, the wife carpooling and taking the kids places. In BP you can actually let older kids walk in the street, from one side of BP to another, by themselves, while the parents do other things.
November 2, 2014 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1039071🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantoh gosh – this thread is getting funnier by the minute. I can’t stop laughing.
November 2, 2014 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #1039072🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantIn BP you can actually let older kids walk in the street, from one side of BP to another, by themselves, while the parents do other things.
that comment sends shivers down my spine tho. Maybe paying a bit more attention to kids walking alone would be a GOOD idea. Being free to leave your children unsupervised is hardly something to brag about.
November 2, 2014 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #1039073JosephParticipantSyag: You wouldn’t let your kids breath and have fun in a public park unless you were breathing down their backs? At whatever age you would let your kids alone in a park you can assume AZOI.IS allows children to walk through BP.
November 2, 2014 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #1039074🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantSyag: You wouldn’t let your kids breath and have fun in a public park unless you were breathing down their backs?
If you had a legitamate response, you wouldn’t have chosen this one.
November 2, 2014 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #1039076JosephParticipantExcept that BP, with nearly 24 hours of frum folks always being around, is safer than the vast majority of parks.
November 2, 2014 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #1039077🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantExcept that BP, with nearly 24 hours of frum folks always being around, is probably safer than most parks.
I guess it depends who you are trying to keep your kids safe from
v’hamayvin Yavin
November 2, 2014 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #1039078JosephParticipantSafer from kidnappers, for example.
Oh,and what age did you think AZOI.IS was referring to by “older children”?
November 2, 2014 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #1039079bp yiddParticipantThere a 130 affordable units in bp that are mostly goiyim get them out and then you can talk about building new housing
November 2, 2014 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #1039080yehudayonaParticipantHow do you propose to get them out, bp yidd? By burning magen dovids on their front lawn? Oh, they don’t have a front lawn. Maybe on their patch of green-painted concrete.
November 2, 2014 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #1039081JosephParticipantIt’s almost undoubtedly cheaper to buy them out than to change the zoning laws, buy the air rights and build homes over railroad tracks.
November 2, 2014 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #1039082JosephParticipant“Chaim, please come to the kitchen.”
“I can’t hear you Mommy, there is a cargo train passing under my bedroom.”
November 2, 2014 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1039083🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantcute!
(coming from someone who lives near an airport)
November 2, 2014 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #1039084👑RebYidd23ParticipantI’m poor and I don’t want more housing in Boro Park. If you would like to keep your point true, pleas send $2,000,000 to me in the mail.
November 2, 2014 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #1039085AZOI.ISParticipantAll Nachman Caller has to rely on in this race is those who arent wealthy enough to help pay multiple married kids’ $2,000 plus rentals each month.
Thats a nice amount of people, my friends!
What has Hikind done for those who arent wealthy enough to help pay multiple married kids’ $2,000 plus rentals each month, in thirty plus years?
Has Hikind even made any serious efforts?
Hikind has got a nice smile, relatively white teeth for his age, I must admit.
November 2, 2014 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #1039086JosephParticipantI can’t hear you azoi, there’s a train rumbling beneath my feet.
Choo choo…
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