Hikind says Caller's apartments wont happen. TELL US WHY!

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  • #614100
    AZOI.IS
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    Hikind says Caller’s plan to build apartments wont happen. He says its a dream and a false promise. He doesnt say why it cant happen! Whats the secret, tell the populace why it wont happen!

    #1039034
    The little I know
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    AZOI.IS

    1. Dov has listened to this issue before, and Caller was not bringing up something unheard of. He had investigated the matter several times, and found many reasons why it would not work.

    2. There is a separate question here. Should there be more housing in Boro Park? There is a strong argument that there should not be. The neighborhood is hopelessly overcrowded. Every existing home is full of occupants, and many have additional residents (let’s ignore whether these basement apartments are even legal). Parking a car near a store or even near a home is a nightmare. Bus stops are a half block each, and there are double the number of fire hydrants needed (unless you’re a canine). There is a mentality common to BP that one’s married children must live near them. I have married children living in proximity, and their frequent visits, especially when the grandchildren come, are nice and enjoyable. But this is NOT a necessity. Children should be encouraged to live wherever they will be comfortable. Sentencing them to live in cramped apartments, many of which were built in the 1800’s is abusive and cruel. If we became more willing to let go of our children at marriage, and let them live in other locations, we will accomplish much for them, for ourselves, for the neighborhood, and for the other communities where they will live and bring Yiddishkeit. I am openly encouraging my married kids to live elsewhere and to visit.

    #1039036
    ivory
    Participant

    I let my kids go wherever they want and they all stay in bp

    #1039037
    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    “Children should be encouraged to live wherever they will be comfortable”

    Please offer locations less than an hours drive from Boro Park, that are safe neighborhoods, where rents are affordable, that religious newlywed couples can move to.

    Kensington is getting crowded too. Lakewood is much too far, it takes 1 1/2 hours each way, with the slightest bit of traffic, and is an expensive commute, with less jobs nearby, and is getting crowded too.

    Theres also another issue for Chassidim who want to daven with their Rebbe and want to send their kids to the schools of their Chassidus.

    #1039038
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    The world is a big place.

    #1039039
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    I don’t get the point of voting for someone because he has a particular idea.

    #1039040
    Joseph
    Participant

    1. Who is going to build now that didn’t build until now?

    2. An Assemblyman has no power to change the zoning. It is the purview of the City Council not the State legislature. So regardless whether Hikind or Caller is Assemblyman, he won’t have the ability to change zoning.

    3. The current residents of the neighborhood will oppose a zoning change allowing greater density housing. It’s crowded enough as is and neighbors won’t stand for more crowding and more traffic. And they will oppose any efforts at zoning changes.

    And that’s why it never happened until now. And won’t in the future.

    #1039041
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Please offer locations less than an hours drive from Boro Park, that are safe neighborhoods, where rents are affordable, that religious newlywed couples can move to.

    I’m not sure if I should laugh or cry.

    Maybe they can hop on a camel and put their stuff on a wagon and trek over to a different city that isn’t 2 hours away. I’m sure between skype, whatsapp, instagram, texting, group chats and facebook they will not even realize they are “out of town”.

    I don’t mean that kids shouldn’t live near their parents, but if the living conditions are so bad that it is between a cramped, decrepit apartment they can’t afford or another city, it shouldn’t be as if there isn’t a choice.

    #1039042
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Didn’t Caller used to be a big real estate lawyer? I assume he knows what he’s doing.

    Is Hikind running against him? Why is he involved?

    #1039043
    Joseph
    Participant

    He is a real estate lawyer. And he knows what he’s doing. Which is why he hasn’t built anything until now. And he knows the State Assembly doesn’t set zoning laws.

    He is running against Hikind. And came up with implausible cocamanie plan to get votes.

    #1039044
    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    Im neutral on this election at this point, but Im puzzled.

    Why is Hikind so hesitant to be clear on even ONE reason that this project cant and wont happen? Whats the secret?

    It would be in Hikind’s interest, and hed be more credible, if when he makes a statement to the public, hed back it up with facts.

    #1039045
    Joseph
    Participant

    Who said he hasn’t explained why it is implausible? Your not hearing it doesn’t indicate he didn’t explain. Read my explanation above.

    #1039046
    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    “Who said he hasn’t explained why it is implausible? Your not hearing it doesn’t indicate he didn’t explain. Read my explanation above.”

    Why dont you spoon feed me, Lior? Overcrowdedness and the fact that the Assembly doesnt control zoning, doesnt prove it cant happen. Difficult maybe, but not impossible.

    Difficult and improbable tasks are accomplished by capable people every day!

    #1039047
    ari-free
    Participant

    I’m surprised he can only find one issue to run against Hikind after his many years of public service. What else does he stand for? Surely he doesn’t agree with him on everything else.

    Somehow, I think there’s some inside thing (to get ‘their’ guy in) that is the real reason for his support and this housing issue is just to have something to say to the public.

    #1039048
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Maybe it can happen. But it shouldn’t.

    #1039049
    fiddle
    Member

    Heard this one from someone. Why do you have to build something that it will take a while. Build on New Utrecht Ave, where there is lots of empty apartments, to make family housing. MORE REALISTIC!!!!!……

    #1039050

    Rebyidd23 kol hakuved

    #1039051
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Fiddle, people don’t like living under the tracks. It is noisy and your windows, high above the ground, get peered into.

    Ari, the reason someone runs for office is to get there. It doesn’t have to be based on secret disdain. He wants to become a politician. That’s all.

    #1039052
    yehudayona
    Participant

    Why would anyone want to live in BP?

    #1039054

    Because it’s one of the 5 places a chassidish person can live currently

    #1039055
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    There are enough chassidish people that if just a small fraction of them would agree to move to any other place, that place would become a chassidish place.

    #1039056

    Tell that to the admorim

    #1039057
    bk613
    Participant

    AZOI.IS,

    “Im neutral on this election at this point”

    Do you expect anyone to believe that. And even if the new houses was a good idea do have any idea how long it will take for the city to get the space from the MTA,find a union contractor, and change all the necessary zoning laws. We wont be seeing a new houses for 10 years. Whats caller’s response to that???

    #1039058
    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    BUT THE PARKING THOUGH!!!

    #1039059
    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    Parking?

    According to the plan which Greenfield explained beautifully on his radio show, roughly 2000 units would be built on s e v e n blocks, with seven blocks worth of parking!!!!!!! No houses will be built in the gutter, where parking spots go, guaranteed.

    #1039060

    Let’s say there 40 spaces on a block there would be 120 apartments lets say 90 cars on a 40 space block meaning 50 cars are left without parking so how do people park now you ask? They park up to 5 blocks away because the block where there car is parked contains more spaces

    #1039061
    Joseph
    Participant

    Expand Boro Park into Sunset Park and Bensonhurst.

    #1039062
    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    Those whose children choose to live outside of Boro Park (Litvish) when they get married.

    Sorry, Mr Hikind and Mr Felder!

    #1039063
    yehudayona
    Participant

    I don’t want BP to have additional housing because I sometimes have to park there. How many illegal driveways are included in Caller’s plan?

    #1039064
    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    “I don’t want BP to have additional housing because I sometimes have to park there”

    Parking?

    Whats more important Shalom Bayis or Parking?

    Hikind’s kids and Felder’s kids and their buddies who they socialize with, arent interested in living in Boro Park EVER!

    It would be their nightmare and curse to live in Boro Park!

    But, for many young people, its their dream to live in Boro Park!

    Sorry, Mr Hikind and Mr Felder! MOVE OUT OF OFFICE like you recommended those who want to elect Caller move out of the area! What jokesters!

    #1039065
    writersoul
    Participant

    As a born-and-bred Monseyite, I don’t even pretend to understand this.

    How do people even breathe in Boro Park?

    #1039066
    Joseph
    Participant

    Money is pretty saturated, itself.

    #1039068
    writersoul
    Participant

    Lior: It’s really not- depends on your neighborhood, I guess. (If all you know of Monsey is 306/59, then yeah. But even the big chassidish neighborhoods are nowhere near BP levels of congestion, and most other neighborhoods cannot even be compared.

    #1039069
    Little Froggie
    Participant

    “How do people even breathe in Boro Park?”

    quoting my Rebbe Zt”l – “we take turns”

    (my rebbe – Rav Shmuel)

    (Kunda, that is)

    #1039070
    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    “How do people even breathe in Boro Park?”

    As opposed to breathing car fumes, I guess?

    I had BP friends who tried living in Monsey for a year. They came running back to BP. They said they had a beautiful home but spent most of their waking hours in their car, the husband commuting, the wife carpooling and taking the kids places. In BP you can actually let older kids walk in the street, from one side of BP to another, by themselves, while the parents do other things.

    #1039071
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    oh gosh – this thread is getting funnier by the minute. I can’t stop laughing.

    #1039072
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    In BP you can actually let older kids walk in the street, from one side of BP to another, by themselves, while the parents do other things.

    that comment sends shivers down my spine tho. Maybe paying a bit more attention to kids walking alone would be a GOOD idea. Being free to leave your children unsupervised is hardly something to brag about.

    #1039073
    Joseph
    Participant

    Syag: You wouldn’t let your kids breath and have fun in a public park unless you were breathing down their backs? At whatever age you would let your kids alone in a park you can assume AZOI.IS allows children to walk through BP.

    #1039074
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Syag: You wouldn’t let your kids breath and have fun in a public park unless you were breathing down their backs?

    If you had a legitamate response, you wouldn’t have chosen this one.

    #1039076
    Joseph
    Participant

    Except that BP, with nearly 24 hours of frum folks always being around, is safer than the vast majority of parks.

    #1039077
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Except that BP, with nearly 24 hours of frum folks always being around, is probably safer than most parks.

    I guess it depends who you are trying to keep your kids safe from

    v’hamayvin Yavin

    #1039078
    Joseph
    Participant

    Safer from kidnappers, for example.

    Oh,and what age did you think AZOI.IS was referring to by “older children”?

    #1039079
    bp yidd
    Participant

    There a 130 affordable units in bp that are mostly goiyim get them out and then you can talk about building new housing

    #1039080
    yehudayona
    Participant

    How do you propose to get them out, bp yidd? By burning magen dovids on their front lawn? Oh, they don’t have a front lawn. Maybe on their patch of green-painted concrete.

    #1039081
    Joseph
    Participant

    It’s almost undoubtedly cheaper to buy them out than to change the zoning laws, buy the air rights and build homes over railroad tracks.

    #1039082
    Joseph
    Participant

    “Chaim, please come to the kitchen.”

    “I can’t hear you Mommy, there is a cargo train passing under my bedroom.”

    #1039083
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    cute!

    (coming from someone who lives near an airport)

    #1039084
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    I’m poor and I don’t want more housing in Boro Park. If you would like to keep your point true, pleas send $2,000,000 to me in the mail.

    #1039085
    AZOI.IS
    Participant

    All Nachman Caller has to rely on in this race is those who arent wealthy enough to help pay multiple married kids’ $2,000 plus rentals each month.

    Thats a nice amount of people, my friends!

    What has Hikind done for those who arent wealthy enough to help pay multiple married kids’ $2,000 plus rentals each month, in thirty plus years?

    Has Hikind even made any serious efforts?

    Hikind has got a nice smile, relatively white teeth for his age, I must admit.

    #1039086
    Joseph
    Participant

    I can’t hear you azoi, there’s a train rumbling beneath my feet.

    Choo choo…

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