High Cholesterol

Halacha requires we do what is best for each of us.

“Real doctors” with “Real” medical training used to smoke and tell us how healthy smoking was.

Before that, in the late 1800’s; “Real doctors” with “real medical training”, promoted the “healthy glow”, from radiation treatments and pills.

And I could tell you absolute horror stories, about what “real doctors” with “real medical training” have done to members of my own family with their absolute unprofessional and uncaring attitudes and incompetence.

I repeat:

http://www.westonaprice.org/Dangers-of-Statin-Drugs-What-You-Havent-Been-Told-About-Popular-Cholesterol-Lowering-Medicines.html

I never knew that Halacha allows us to inject ourselves with poison(vaccines) and kill ourselves with these meds. These doctors are taught by the pharmaceutical industry, which promotes putting chemicals into your body ,never knew the body is made up of chemicals. i would like to see how long these people last on chemicals before they realize they are killing themselves..

The Rambam was a doctor who did NOT use chemicals to improve the immune system. He used Herbs and food. These cannot be patented and you cant make a lot of money off it so the pharmaceutical industry will say they are dangerous, but the dangerous chemicals will help you (get very sick).

Yes you will die from disease if you keep on eating the way you do and dont change your lifestyle, but of course its too hard so keep on taking the meds that can kill you anyways, read the warning on the meds, it doesnt hide anything.

Health when I see that the AMA and most doctors seem so willing to force us into Obama care, it tells me they are nothing but greedy, corrupt crimionals who will lie and cheat and do anything underhanded to benifit themselves at everyone elses expense.

No those who oppose such things and are good doctors I respect.

But me or my family, have either personally experienced one horror story after another at big hospitals or I have heard first hand from someone else who has about most of them.

These two factors personal experience and their public support of communist oppression and destruction of what was once, a free country have hardly endeared the medical profession on the whole, to me.

How about the fact that they have a cure for Alzheimers and will not make it publically available or even admit it works?

They have lied about the data and make up excuses to claim it’s no good, despite the fact it worked totally in clinical trials, on half dozen or so, people they tested it on.

Just think of all those hospital beds and millions of doctors and hospitals who make collectively billions per year treating Alzheimers patients and what would happen to their industry, if all those people suddenly got well.

Health I do not know that Dan L’caf Z’cus applies to professions or in politics.

If the AMA was against Obama care they should be fighting instead of giving into the armtwisting.

If you give into evil you are doing evil.

Here is another thing.

The hospitals will give illegal aliens top notch treatment absolutely free, but they will hound an American citizen like me to pay bills they can’t afford for a misdiagnosis.

There was, about 7 or 8 years ago (not sure the exact year and month), a report (I think it was in the NY Times, not sure now) that doctors had tested a new Alzheimers treatment on a handful of patients in various states of progression of the disease and possibly a few who did not have it but were at risk for it.

The treatment caused inflamation in their brains, but when the swelling went away those who had Alzheimers had a complete reversal of the disease and those who didn’t yet have it didn’t get it.

Complete reversal of symptoms and immunity from it in the future.

They stopped the testing and basically closed up shop.

The claim at the time, was supposedly that the brain inflamation was dangerous and they were worried about brain damage (they said).

My belief is that the inflammation was the sign that the treatment as working the same way a finger gets swollen when it gets smashed or burned…The swelling is the body repairing itself and getting rid of germs or dead tissue so the healthy part can regrow.

How much brain damage does someone have to worry about with a disease that is all about brain damage and always ends in death (till now)?

If you check with the Alzheimers Foundation of America (I believe that is who I emailed once) they will confirm the study, but now hedge in saying that it cured anyone, as the origional report stated.

They also claim that the brain inflammation was the reason it was supposedly stopped.

I think those doing the testing, were simply afraid of actually having a real cure, on their hands.

I was tagged by my doctor at 50, after 10 years of near or full vegetarianism. This is with being very active, relatively trim, and doing physical work, and still taking steps two at time B”H. I had a long argument with the doctor about taking the statins. Tnere is no family history of heart disease, the previous generation lived into the 80s and 90s or to 75 with lifelong untreated high blood pressure. The cholesterol is produced in the liver, and is in a chain of chemicals including coQ10. The statin interupts the chain before the coQ10 is made. I, with joints at risk NEED my coQ10, and I did not want the possible side effect of memory loss and joint pain. With attention to diet, almonds, garlic, select greens, and seeds, I knocked down my #s but not to the docs satisfaction. He stopped arguing with me, but you can only do this is the doc is younger than you and you are in way better shape, and you don’t darken his doorstep to often.

Shmos 23:25 ” va’avadtem es Hashem Elokeichem, u’verach es lahmecha v’es maimecha v’hasirosi mahala mikirbecha

To Charliehall: YOu are very naive to think that the vaccines actually lowered the death rate and even eradicated the disease. Sorry but that was not the case. Do some research and let me know what you have come up with.

As to anyone who is running to get theselves on meds, this is from Dr Russel blaylock, a neurosergeon, from his website:

My name is Dr. Russell Blaylock. The editors at Newsmax asked me to write you today because there are important facts you haven’t been told about cholesterol, heart disease and commonly prescribed cholesterol-reducing drugs.

Dr. Russell Blaylock

Respected Doctor,

Nutritionist

FACT: Yes, it’s true that heart disease is the #1 killer in the United States. And men over 40 are particularly vulnerable. But, who else will tell you that 50% of all strokes and heart attacks have absolutely nothing to do with elevated cholesterol levels?

Certainly not the big drug companies.

And probably not even your own doctor . . .

So why are cholesterol-reducing drugs (or statins, as they’re called) becoming as common as aspirin, with commercials running non-stop on primetime TV?

How many of the 12 million Americans now taking these drugs for their heart health understand that they are (often dangerously) treating the symptoms and not the cause of high cholesterol?

And the trademark of a secretive statin user is that they dont eat grapefruit or its products. This is because grapefruit can mess with the delivery or concetration of the drug. The irony is, that grapefruit itself is helpful in lowering choleaterol.

Well , the real research is in the simponwood reports, where the pharmaceutical industry saw for themselves that the vaccines cause the neurologiccal damage, but tried to cover it up. I wouldn’t trust these people when they are trying to hide the truth so people will continue to destroy their own children.

How many meds were pulled off the market after thousands died from it. Obviously they were not safe. Wouldn’t trust them for anything since greed and scare tactics is how they play their game. Wonder which pharmaceutical industry pays you off to brainwash innocent people to believe their lies.

Chance -nobody gives me a dime. So who paid you to brainwash you?

You can get all excited and whatever, but the truth is a lot of disease can be cured or controlled by medication. It might be true that if people were nutrious in the first place, they wouldn’t have gotten sick. But, once they are sick- no natural product will cure them only medicine. If we lived in a perfect world there wouldn’t be sickness and everyone would only eat what their body needed. But, we don’t, do we? The medical science has made great strives in helping people live longer. Not that long ago, people had to retire at 65 because they didn’t live much past that. If natural products helped people much more than medicine, we wouldn’t have seen an increase in the life span. After all, natural products have been around since creation.

Hereorthere: Like I said, the goal of medicine is to cure. Umpteen years ago they didn’t get sick- maybe they had better nutrition. Whatever the case, this doesn’t work nowadays. Most primary care clinicians will send you first to the Chiropractor before he sends you to the surgeon. The reason they never used to send to the chiropractor was because there were plenty of cases of permanent disability/paralysis due to their care. Nowadays, they have have improved their skills. No one tells anybody to seek medical care before they have tried home care. There are plenty of books written on this subject that are accepted by mainstream medicine.

HOT – I agree. The gov. should do more to get rid of the bad apple doctors. Chiropractors and alternative medicine in general, has become more accepted amongst mainstream medicine. They now have a chapter in certain medical books discussing alternative medicine- what works, what doesn’t. As far as cholesterol, the first thing the clinician does is tell you to exercise and diet (and if you want -to take any natural supplement), they only prescribe meds after this doesn’t work or the pt. refuses to make changes. Secondly, we prescribe meds on this basic theory of benefit outweighs the risk. If some individual’s reaction makes the risk outweigh the benefit, then the med is stopped.

chance,

Vaccines completely eliminated smallpox — the last case was in 1979. In 1952 there were more than 60000 cases of polio in the US with more than 3000 deaths. Then came the vaccination campaign. Today there are zero cases anywhere in the Western Hemisphere, and only a thousand a year in the rest of the world; back in 1988 there were hundreds of thousands of cases before the mass vaccination campaign went worldwide. Measles deaths worldwide have dropped from almost 900,000 a decade ago to under 200,000 today because of a mass vaccination campaign. Unfortunately, some frum Jews have been believing nonsense that people like you put out and we have had the chilul HaShem of kids in frum communities getting measles. Blood will be on your hands if any of those kids die.

The Frum community is one of the most well vaccinated communities in the United States.

The recent measles cases in the Orthodox community, were carried by people who were vaccinated.

Trying my best,

You are thinking of the mumps cases, not the measles cases. The mumps vaccine does not provide 100% immunity (neither does actually contracting mumps). I met a Centers for Disease Control investigator who was researching the outbreak at Kiryas Joel; he reported that the Rebbe personally took his team to all the schools and clinics in order that they receive total cooperation. And indeed virtually the entire village had been vaccinated pretty much according to protocol.

charliehall: Thanks for the correction. Indeed I meant the mumps cases. But it is important to note that the Frum community is well vaccinated, above the national average. I think the statistics demonstrate that the naysayers don’t have much influence within our community.

It’s also not true about mumps. Patient zero from England was not vaccinated, even though everyone else was. The vaccine was only meant to work with “herd” immunity. Once there was a real case, that was destroyed. Maybe patient zero’s family (and people like them) should pay the companies to develop stonger vaccines.

Obviously if I said where and who were doping people up so unprofessionally my post would be deleted as Loshon Hara, so I cannot get away with saying it, but just because you haven’t heard of such a thing, hardly proves it is not happening.

HOT – my point wasn’t that you’re lying, just that it’s not common!

Health It’s not that common because the medical establishment does not promote those solutuons at least not publically where those like me would hear about it.

If the cholesterol is so often lowered just with meds why do I hear so many people talking about how their doctor tried this and that and ‘nothing is working’?

Till now, I hadn’t had any reason to question the accuracy of their stories.

But if it is at a Shabbos table as it has been sometimes in the past, I will Bli Nadir, try to remember to ask them.

Of course all I will be able to say was that someone on the internet ‘said’ it could almost always be lowered just with meds and they might say something like; “Anyone can say anything on the internet”.

If I am overhearing two people on a bus talking about it, as has happened in other cases, it will be none of my business and I do not plan on injecting myself into their conversation.

Sure I call tell them the guy on the net ‘said’ that, but still it is someone on the net, saying he has the inside scoop.

To Charliehall:

First of all the measels is not dangerous at all, it just depletes the Vitamin A, So if you get the measels just add Vit A. The Medical doctors try to scare everyone into vaccinating by telling them that the kids will die.

When a baby is born They inject babies with vaccines thaT are supposed to stimulate the immune system, well, the baby has no immune system so why exactly are they injecting deadly toxins into healthy newborns?

Well, if you follow the money trail you will see that they want to make sure everyone gets into the clutches of the vaccines and tells them that these vaccines(deadly toxins) will keep them healthy. This keeps the the pharma pockets big while you are sacrificing your child. Just by the way health comes from building a good immune system, and not by injecting toxins in your system. And Dr Hilman who made many vaccines said himself that there is no vaccine that is not contaminated. Look at the SV-40 which caused cancer in the people who took them.I would not inject this into my kids.

Are YOU going to take responsibility when these kids die or get illnesses from vaccines? Dont tell me its not true, I know afew kids who died right after they were vaccinated with these deadly vaccines.

To HEALTH: Didnt know that only meds can cure, like you say,which by the way is false but is what they want you to believe. A vitamin cannot say that it cures because they will dig into the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry, because people wont medicate when a natural thing can cure.

How do you think the Rambam cured people,by running to the pharmaceutical industry and getting meds or by using natural things found in this world.

The medication will only suppress symptoms but will not cure anything, it just gets people onto more meds.

Sam -Go to AHA’s website. They have plenty to say about a high fat diet. Let me know what you find out.