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@ CS
Thank you for posting letter 27 of Iggeres Hakodesh.
I still don’t see how you take the leap from what is written in the Iggeres Hakodesh to relating to a nistalek in the way you are describing.
Also, do you have a response to YB re: the Ramban?
I will [for CS’s benefit] , attempt to fill in the answers to those simple questions in her place IF SHE WOULD BE HONEST AND HUMBLE ENOUGH to do so.
“1] Can you point to where in tanya it says that a tsaddik of Tanya is INFALLIBLE ?”
No , I cannot because he nowhere addresses this.
I happen to have MY OWN IDEAS about this. But they carry no more weight than that. I am not able to invoke the Tanya’s authority for them without clear proof from his words.“2] Can you point to any source acceptable to all hugim in Yahadut that your leader qualified as a Tsaddiq of Tanya ?”
No , because there is no such source to be found . Again – I and my fellow travelers happen to have OUR OWN IDEAS about this. But they carry no more weight than that. We are not able to invoke any klal yisrael wide authority for this besides that this happens to be our own subjective opinion.
“3] Is the concept of ‘tsadiq of Tanyah’ widely accepted in Yahadut – outside of the hasidi circles ?”
The Alter Rebbe is widely accepted. But as this was not the question asked , the answer to the Q is , no. This concept is not widely accepted in klal yisrael outside of hasidi circles.
“4] Is the tsaddiq of Tanya explanation the only available one to explain the relevant ma’amarei hazal ?”
I understand what you mean , because I took the time to reflect on this and used my honed intellect to process this Q. To be truthful, I never looked in this direction because I was programmed to repeat everything I am told by certain people without any of my own critical thinking.
“5] If there exist other explanations , how are they more deficient in actually explaining the relevant ma’amarei hazal when compared to the Tanya’s [besides that they will not serve the habad cause]”
I don’t really know [refer to previous answer] .But my well-honed intellect tells me somehow that if there are other, better explanations to those mamarei hazal , then the authority lent to Tanya’s explanation is reduced to the Tanya himself and not to the Amora’im who said those ma’amarim.
“6] Why do you employ the condescending attitude that it is the opposite side who has ‘go and learn’ ?
Maybe it is actually YOU who should ‘go and learn’ ???”Because my rebbi taught me in all sorts of ways ,and I internalized this very well, [I actually can feel it in my bones] that my approach and that my rebbi are way more great, and way more emet , in all aspects, than any other approaches , and any other rebeim in the whole world.
He even conditioned me [and my fellow travelers] to continue to believe that ,even in the face of overwhelming evidence and immense rationality clearly pointing to the opposite.
He , therefore , even taught us to “phaiph” on said evidence and rationality.
So, as a result, said evidence and rationality are totally worthless, when it comes to convincing me of anything different to what I have been brainwashed to believe.So obviously – it the other side who should ‘Go and Learn’ ….
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Not me …..
.@chabad-shlucha You understand that the criticism of Chabad from the other 95% of frum Jews (which is probably noticeable even to you in things like how little space frum publications give to major Chabad events and personalities, if they are mentioned at all). It’s not about the last Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT”L, like you are saying. Sure there was criticism against him when he was alive, but most gedolim respected him as a leader and gadol b’Torah. However, he’s been dead for 30 years. The problems that the frum world has with Chabad (and believe me, it’s the entire relevant frum world) aren’t about “mivtzoim” (whatever those are) they are about the way in which Chabad is accepting of very problematic practices, like asking bakoshois from dead people, claiming a dead person will come back to life and be Moshiach, and saying that a certain man is infallible so therefore everything he ever wrote or said is no different from Toras Moshe M’Sinai (C”V), and many many many other practices and beliefs that have nothing to do with shluchim and Mitzva Tanks.
cs- im sure this question has been asked many times befor but as i am new to the coffee room i havent heard an answer. how does chabad explain the famous quote of the undisputed gadol hador rav shach about chabad?
Dear reader
Please contrast CS’s actual responses [without honesty] against those with honesty. Kirchok mizrah mima’arav.“1] Can you point to where in tanya it says that a tsaddik of Tanya is INFALLIBLE ?”
A tzaddik is totally in line with Hashem’s Ratzon, so his “mistakes” don’t come from yetzer hara but are also directed by Hashem (remember Aharons argument to the malach hamoves?) There is a rare scenario of a tzaddik not advancing in his avodas Hashem, and slipping to do an aveira (like Yochanan Kohen Gadol), but it would be obvious as the Posuk states ba zadon vayavo kalon.
For a regular YB to think HE knows, or anyone that didn’t top The Rebbe in yiras shomayim, knows, that The Rebbe made a mistake, because He knows better, is utter foolishness, but just arrogance and bizui TC. I hope that clarifies.
“2] Can you point to any source acceptable to all hugim in Yahadut that your leader qualified as a Tsaddiq of Tanya ?”
Is there any public widely known instance of The Rebbe doing any aveira? Those who know The Rebbe say not… besides for the sheer holiness etc
“3] Is the concept of ‘tsadiq of Tanyah’ widely accepted in Yahadut – outside of the hasidi circles ?”
The Alter Rebbe is widely accepted. How many tzaddikim of Tanya there are today is a different question which I cannot answer. I keep my nose out for them.
“4] Is the tsaddiq of Tanya explanation the only available one to explain the relevant ma’amarei hazal ?”
Not sure what you mean. And even if it is, it answers.
“5] If there exist other explanations , how are they more deficient in actually explaining the relevant ma’amarei hazal when compared to the Tanya’s [besides that they will not serve the habad cause]”
No one is making you become Chabad. As for me, it’s my honour and privilege.
“6] Why do you employ the condescending attitude that it is the opposite side who has ‘go and learn’ ?
Maybe it is actually YOU who should ‘go and learn’ ???”See the answer to 1, and you’ll know why.
Revisit to CS’s answer-
“2] Can you point to any source acceptable to all hugim in Yahadut that your leader qualified as a Tsaddiq of Tanya ?”Is there any public widely known instance of The Rebbe doing any aveira? Those who know The Rebbe say not… besides for the sheer holiness etc [CS to YB]
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The basic difference according to Tanya between Tsadiq and Beinoni is that although both refrain from ALL AVEROT, the beinoni still has the pull to do bad inside himself , but he strengthens himself and does not transgress at all , whereas the Tsadiq does not have this pull at all anymore , like David Hameleh who killed his yetser with fasting.So if CS would still have a shred of honesty left, she should here publicly agree that her answer is totally off.
Lets say he did not do any avera – how does this have any relevance to his ‘Tsadiq status’ according to Tanya ???
.Honest Question for CS: Why are Chabad women so into learning their Rebbe’s seforim but don’t seem to know the halachos in Tznius?
It’s well known that Chabad women struggle with Tznius, when I asked a Chabad woman I know why this is so (she herself is very makpid in tznius), she said that the Rebbe was very into Tznius- so why don’t the women in Chabad listen to the Rebbe when it comes to Tznius?CS, do you know why many Chabad simchas are done in Crown Heights?
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