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“Likutei Torah on Shir Hashirim for starters…“
Wow! It says in your Torah that you’re the best and everyone else is second class! I can’t believe it!
It sounds like another religion (which I posted on the other Chabad) or very cultish
“Toras Moshiach”
Or in other words “a New Testament”
CS- the rebbe told you to learn tosfos??
and my point was that no one can claim to think straight without training in torah, that is the whole idea of daas torah, otherwise why wouldnt we go to mathematicians and scientists for guidance. and certainly a few tosfos (and why you would learn them is beyond me) would not change much
as well as daatos nashim kalos hein
@ CS
Lets un-mish the mosh
@ CS
Philosopher asked: “Do you pray to the rebbe?
You responded: I do what all frum Jews [do], daven to Hashem and ask my Rebbe for assistance via brachos etc. Again PB TANYA”
I pointed out that what all frum jews actually do is ask rebbeim who are here in olam hazeh bguf v’nefish for assistance via brachos etc. They do not do this once their rebbeim are nistalek. Once their rebeim are nistalek they might daven at the kever to Hashem (and some may request that the rebbe who’s kever they are davening at be a moleitz yosher).
What I asked you to clarify, based on the above, is how does what you do = what all frum Jews do.
and what i meant in the later was that even though every single other gadol says the rebbe is dead and buried and certainly not mashiach, chabadskers still hang on delusionally and even try to missionize others
also they dont teach their kids about other gedolim (how many kids in bais rivka knew who r’ chaim kanievsky was?) and in general put aside any torah other than chabads
Part 2: because they know of the Dvar Malchus and still lack gaon Yaakov
Please explain
@CS
Not bashing you and your fellow hasidim at all.
Clearly stated that you are all wonderful and special people who try and do good .
Please do not ignore that.But that’s not a get out of jail card for excessive person [idol/ rebbi] worship, crooked theology and successive public uturns on ikarei emuna AND your collective inability [[due to brainwash and / or lack of honesty] to face up to them.
We cannot ignore that either.Your crooked theology has [and will further] give fuel to Xtian pretenses to make unsuspecting Jews accept the messiahship [and worse] of their discredited idol.
You [plural] have never taken all those serious issues by the horns.You either joke about it. Or change topics.
Or pretend that an obvious non answer will do the job.The issues mentioned in those above lines were extensively mentioned in previous threads.
With only those above mentioned responses as a result.It seems that the source of your [plural] inability to muster anything more than the above , is your obstinate clinging to one certain persons infallibility.
Only once you will be prepared to internalize that this person was a fallible human , prone to mistakes and subject his personal negi’ot, notwithstanding his many talents and mesirut nefesh, only then we will be able to see a possibility to have REAL open and honest, evidence based discussion of all of the above.
Until then we will have to suffice with shallow responses, change of topics, misplaced claims of victimhood and occasional jokes.
But not a serious discussion.
Haval.@CS I’m not attempting to make a substantial point. You said this is an open floor for questions about Chabad and I’m curious about the answer to mine. Are Chabaskers in general aware that many of their practices, beliefs, and customs (and they acceptance they have of others with certain beliefs etc.) are considered to be outside the norm of frum Yiddishkeit by the vast majority of the frum world?
@CS If you want me to be more specific, let’s take the idea that Rav Schneerson ZT”L watches everything his Chassidim do from his place in Olom Haba’ah and therefore he can answer bakoshos. Although there is some basis to this, it’s considered highly irregular by frum Jews and you will not find a non-Chabad Talmid Chacham who would recommend keeping a dead man in mind when davening. And that goes even more so to the people who direct their teffilos to using a dead man as an emmisary instead of talking directly to Hashem, which is something considered acceptable in most of Chabad.
Still waiting for a straightforward answer to my question
“You misread me. I meant that if you open a likutei Torah with no preparatory background in Chassidus, you will be completely lost even if you know the whole Gemara by heart. You don’t need to be second class but if you wait until Moshiach comes you may use my services as a tutor assuming you’re female/ ruach hatumah and male YH eradicated.“
You made no sense
It’s probably the “soap” that’s in your brain that made you answer like that, i understand
“ Perhaps for a brilliantly stupid person”
or someone who thinks they know what Torah will be like when moshiach comes and whatever it is, it’s (Lubavitch) chassidus
Really, I want to know, is it dawn? Softsoap? Dove?
Interesting enough, in the circle magazine the main feature is about the people that still think shabtzai tzvi is moshiach and coming back
“ I estimate we have about 3 days before the True Moshiach is revealed”
Ok here are some more for you not to answer:
How many more days to go?
Whom are you referring to as the “true Moshiach”?
Which Zohar/chassidus gave you nevuah on your three day estimate?
Does your husband know you forgot to take your pills?
How many people in the coffee room have you convinced so far in your shlichus? It sounds like you have done a good job convincing yourself to believe a lot lol!
Still waiting
will moshe rabeinu need your services as a tutor when mashiach comes since he didnt learn chasidus? (also applies to every single other gadol ever)
@non political wrote:
“I pointed out that what all frum jews actually do is ask rebbeim who are here in olam hazeh bguf v’nefish for assistance via brachos etc. They do not do this once their rebbeim are nistalek. Once their rebeim are nistalek they might daven at the kever to Hashem (and some may request that the rebbe who’s kever they are davening at be a moleitz yosher).”
I wouldn’t say as CS that all frum Yiddish do as she said because there are lots of views on this topic, but it’s definitely a valid shita.
I also won’t give you any sources from Chabad Chassidus because you may just say that it’s not good enough, instead I’ll quote another source.
Please read through the תשובה in מנחת אלעזר חלק א סימן ס״ח, over there he goes through in depth about this topic and he holds that you can ask the neshama directly to intercede on your behalf and it’s not an issue about דורש אל המתים.
Again, he is a very valid source and not a Chabad source, so you can accept it, even if it’s not the view of “all frum velt”.741, I think these technicalities miss the heart of the issue.
CS can correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m under the impression that she regularly asks for Rebbe’s assistance (via brachos, etc.) even when not at the Ohel.My impression is that most drum Yidden reserve it for an occasion here and there and particularly at the kever of whichever tzadik is being asked to intercede.
I don’t believe that any other chassidus focuses its tefilod and a odas Hashem on their Rebbe in any way comparable to how some Chabad chassidim do with their (no longer alive) rebbe.
CS: Do you believe the Geulah will come if all yidden accept the Lubavitcher Rebbe as Moshiach?
Is not believing in the Rebbe delaying Moshiachs coming?
Is 770 the dwelling place for the Shechina?
CS:
Do you believe all the souls leaving this world pass through the Rebbes office?
Do you believe all the teffilah in the world goes through 770?
Do you believe that 770 is the mikdash?
by the way the three days are long over
@coffee-addict It’s customary not to open the plastic on The Circle before an hour before Shabbos.
Still waiting for CS to explain how not singing Yechi (i.e. believing the Rebbe is still alive) comes from the influence of Amalek.
Ard,
“will moshe rabeinu need your services as a tutor when mashiach comes since he didnt learn chasidus?“
CS thinks that’s exactly what he learned! Why do you think he was up there for 40 days?
Yserbius,
Our mesorah is זריזים מקדימים
Man, this topic been rehashed and reshashed it is deader then the Lubavitcher Rebbe and Elvis combined
CS, thank you, I appreciate your comment.
I’m trying to stay out of these questions, you’re handling them really well, great style.
Except some questions set my alarm bells ringing so I couldn’t resist responding.
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